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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 19/03/2021 11:09

Tell her to get lost in a nice way. She's made all these stupid decisions and it's not worked out. And good point about problem if you decide to move.

BrumBoo · 19/03/2021 11:09

@HelloDulling

Where is her son in all this? He needs to be involved in getting her to make some better choices.
She has autism. Her son can't 'make her' make some better choices as much as the op or her husband. She needs proper help and support to live independently. Even Anne Hegerty almost lost everything over pretty much the same situation! It's really not as simple as 'she's an adult, she needs to sort herself out'.
lanthanum · 19/03/2021 11:10

I was also thinking "park home" as I read this. Not too dissimilar to the lodge, but you can live there all year round, and they're often restricted to over 50s so no issues with noisy children. The one near us has lovely grounds, too. One of the couples who live there also have a camper van and (usually) spend much of the year travelling in that.

RaininSummer · 19/03/2021 11:11

Incredibly cheeky and presumptious behaviour by SIL. She needs to get a job and probably sell the van and the lodge to find proper housing. You need to be blunt with her

Thatwentbadly · 19/03/2021 11:11

It’s such a difficult situation but if she is considered to be able to make her decision not matter how bad they are then you can’t stop her from doing so.

I think you need to have clear boundaries and me ready to point in the direction of appropriate services when necessary. You must protect your own health lifestyle.

WeAllHaveWings · 19/03/2021 11:11

Absolutely not unreasonable.

Make it clear to your dh it is not an option - make sure he knows it is 100% not negotiable. Also your dh needs to make it clear to your SIL it is not an option and you are both in complete agreement - don't soft soap it with, of course if you are really in trouble of course we'll help, make it crystal clear as that leaves it open to interpretation.

Support her with suggestions, but ultimately it is her issue and not yours to solve for her. Tell her this and tell her if she doesn't get her shit together she will end up in the situation of presenting herself at the council as homeless.

My db has similar plans for his future. I have told my db he risks destroying his relationship with his dd as it is an unreasonable ask and putting her in an awkward position. I have warned my niece, who isn't keen, she needs to make it clear to him now before he plans along this route it simply isn't an option, but it is really hard for her to say no and ruin his plans.

CurbsideProphet · 19/03/2021 11:12

There must be a reason why she is not suggesting that she lives with her son? Perhaps he has already turned her down?
I don't envy you as this is a very difficult situation. There are Park Homes sites where owners can live all year round, so perhaps she could be persuaded to sell her current lodge and move to one of those.

Kattenzz · 19/03/2021 11:12

If you make your garage into a nice little studio flat, you will end up with her living with you for the last 20-30 years of her life.

Wellpark · 19/03/2021 11:13

Let her go to her son and seek a solution there. You and your husband are not her parents. She's been foolish but seems she is stubborn and not daft. Astute enough to have picked you two out as a pair of softies. Tell her straight that converting your garage will not be happening. Ever.

Love51 · 19/03/2021 11:13

It's really hard as I don't think your husband would be happy about his sister ending up homeless and being accommodated by the council in a B&B but the situation is of her own making.
My defenses went up when you said she'd "fallen out" with the site owner. I don't trust people who "fall out" with others not to be emotionally manipulative.

Oh and the irony of not having anyone stay at her home but she wants to stay at yours...!

willibald · 19/03/2021 11:14

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries?

Nothing you can do? C'mon. You do nothing and she will be living with you permanently till she dies. Fall back my arse. She knows she's blown all the money. Your boundary needs to be, 'No, we're not converting our home. We need to make our own plans. You need to make some plans for you because we will not be able to have you live with us.'

oneglassandpuzzled · 19/03/2021 11:14

@BrumBoo

No, she absolutely shouldn't expect you to essentially house her.

However, she is in a vulnerable if she's been diagnosed with autism, and the older she gets the more vulnerable she will become. There's no such thing as 'high functioning autism' in reality, and her disaster with finances could well be part of her condition. In this sense she really does need help and support rather be told she's an 'adult who needs to get on with it'. Could she possibly be referred to a support worker or ask social services which agency would be most appropriate before she finds herself destitute?

My management consultant nephew and my now deceased father are both autistic and do or did very well in work and life. I now manage the investment portfolio my father left my mother and have daily evidence of this.

I know other autistic-spectrum people who are highly successful. The OP’s SIL has profound issues that are not general to all people with ASD.

ploomo · 19/03/2021 11:16

@HelloDulling

Where is her son in all this? He needs to be involved in getting her to make some better choices.
I think her son probably had quite a challenging upbringing once his dad left. He's made a new life for himself and has young children and I really don't think he can be expected to bail out his mum.

Thanks, everyone, for reminding me she has assets, even if she doesn't have much cash. The more I look into this lodge-living thing, the more concerned I am about her security. The lodges may be cheaper than standard housing but they come with high fixed overheads.

OP posts:
Mixingitall · 19/03/2021 11:17

I think you need to plant another idea for her future....surely a lovely apartment in a warm country to spend the winter would be much more preferable to the cold winters here?

Send her this link, £60k buys a lovely apartment! www.kyero.com

DinosaurDiana · 19/03/2021 11:17

It’s your house too, say no.

Itsalonghaul · 19/03/2021 11:19

NOT.A.CHANCE

This is the hill to die on and come hell or high water do not allow this to happen. Not only will it will be living hell having her turn up when she wants to (I am pretty certain it will be most of the time)/has nowhere else to go, but you are likely to fall out before too long, therefore permanently depriving her of a support network. It would be an act of kindness to say no, keep your relationship with in tact and that way you can stay on good terms.

Help her organise housing, support her moves, be there for her in every other way but this.

There is a good reason why she has fallen out with everyone along the way, and it is because she is difficult to live with. So don't go there. Be the best support you can be, but don't agree to actually allowing her to move in, you may never get rid of her. At best it will be a family falling out, worst case it might end up in the courts with you trying to remove her.

ElMacchiato · 19/03/2021 11:19

These holiday homes can be attractive but difficult to afford going forward especially if she isn't working and may not have a good pension .

As curbside says, an all year round park home may be a better idea.

ekidmxcl · 19/03/2021 11:20

Yes you are dealing with someone with autism (my dc and sibling have autism so I do understand), but sacrificing your privacy and sanity is not the way forwards. You have to also see that she can’t have it both ways - making her own decisions and then forcing you to unfuck them. If you’re responsible for the unfucking then you also need to have the authority to make some of these decisions with her in the first place to avoid the fuckups. But critically it seems that she makes loads of these decisions without consulting you, but you’re still responsible for the consequences.

She also seems to have no problem breaking rules and regulations, despite being fully aware of them. This would really concern me. My autistic lot are absolutely petrified of breaking even minor rules.

I don’t know the answer. But you do need to protect yourself and your privacy.

Social services won’t care though.

Cocomarine · 19/03/2021 11:20

I find it hard to believe that the £60K camper didn’t have a diesel heater, or at least a blown air one. I’d have scammed your electricity for a plug in electric heater at your expense too though 🙄

I get the complication of her autism. But it’s all the more reason why you need to encourage your husband to come up with a long term (life time) solution to propose to his sister - and then step away.

The Park Home suggestion sounds good - though I expect he’ll have the Devil’s own time with her deciding that’s not good enough like her luxury lodge. But at this point, he needs to stand firm.

I honestly think - and I love my husband - that in your position it would be a her or me ultimatum at some point. 2 months a year would be too much for me - but it’s not going to be that, it’s going to be permanent.

Emeraldshamrock · 19/03/2021 11:21

She should get on a housing association list. Nota chance, you can't sell your house and move on the HA list.
Ideally she needs to rent it out for £1000 a week using the money for a small flat or bedsit, it is ridiculous sleeping in a van the coldest time of the year and expecting others to be happy to supply electricity and a parking space. She's beyond help.

monkeysox · 19/03/2021 11:21

She can rent the camper van out Easter to Oct. She'd make loads.

EL8888 · 19/03/2021 11:22

My mum is about to have her sister start living with her for an unspecified length of time. I have advised against this plan and at some point will have to say l don’t want to hear her moans. I’m LC with my aunt due to her being such a pain. She also has major form for falling out with everyone, mismanaging her money, only taking her only feelings into consideration etc. So l can relate to some of your issues

We would all love to retire as young as your SIL but it’s not realistic, especially at the rate she is spending money

PhatPhanny · 19/03/2021 11:23

Help her get on the housing list, you shouldn't have to convert your home

Help her help herself and support her helping herself, dont prop her up.

Itsalonghaul · 19/03/2021 11:24

She needs to get another job op. Bottom line.
And a home that suits her needs.

frogswimming · 19/03/2021 11:24

She'll have to sell the lodge and camper van and do what she can with the proceeds to get her a permanent home. Some parks are open year round so she could get one there. Or a shared ownership property. Or rent. It's not your problem and she needs to sort herself out.