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To think this is a snobby view?

388 replies

MiaMarshmallows · 16/03/2021 12:13

Friend has been married for 35 years and never divorced.
She said the other day ' I find it so depressing when I see photos of a couple with their children and then less than a year later, said couple have split and there's a new woman/man in place acting like a new family all being photographed together. '

Just got my back up a bit.

OP posts:
Wills · 18/03/2021 11:12

I'm lucky to have been with my partner 30+ years. HOWEVER I'm also screwed up by my parent's divorce and the sudden arrival of the new man in, what to me at 17, felt like MY home who clearly resented my brother and me. My mother told the world how happy her children were. I'd lost my dad to a nervous breakdown which left him a changed person who was now v. religious and hated all females, and instead gained a male who clearly resented my presence. I continued letting this man and my mother bully me into playing happy families until I went NC in my late 30s. I've since rebuilt my relationship with my mother under my terms and whilst I've moved on with the 'new' man (they're still together 35+ years on), especially as he's having to deal with her 'old' age leaving me freeish, I can't forget or forgive my mother.

Yet I fully support blended families as you call them. It's just that they should be done at the children's speed, not the adults! As PP have said - be careful not to assume they're fine because it suits you to think that!

UnhingedDad · 18/03/2021 11:18

For me blended families should not be a blanket no. Judging people who are doing what's right for them and their families is wrong. You don't know their circumstances, what has gone on behind closed doors and the hurt and loneliness people feel after a separation or divorce. So yes...in relation to the original post...that persons comments were judgey, snobby and old fashioned IMO, but they are entitled to that opinion.

I am gonna do me, what's right for my child, what's right for my life and what's right for my new love and their child. I would always be careful to ensure the children are happy. I would be the first to back away, slow down or give space and not move in on a whim!

Wills · 18/03/2021 11:39

@UnhingedDad

For me blended families should not be a blanket no. Judging people who are doing what's right for them and their families is wrong. You don't know their circumstances, what has gone on behind closed doors and the hurt and loneliness people feel after a separation or divorce. So yes...in relation to the original post...that persons comments were judgey, snobby and old fashioned IMO, but they are entitled to that opinion.

I am gonna do me, what's right for my child, what's right for my life and what's right for my new love and their child. I would always be careful to ensure the children are happy. I would be the first to back away, slow down or give space and not move in on a whim!

But... when you're in the pain of fresh divorce/pending divorce, behind those closed doors feeling the hurt and loneliness are you in the right mindset to making overarching decisions about what constitutes the right thing for the children? I have v. close friends who've been through the horrors of divorce some of which are now obviously in very happy 'blended families' with very happy children. But equally I've seen others move 'new' men into the family home within weeks of the last departing. If I was finding it hard to keep up is it any wonder that the kids might be too. Yet I'd also say a happy mum is a good mum, so in the same way a marriage should not stay 'together for the kids' equally a mother shouldn't be faced with a life long loneliness simply because her first marriage didn't work just for the sake of her kids (who has adults would find that a burden too far). I think I was just saying its the speed. Some people seem to introduce a new partner to the family household like its a sticking plaster.
DrSbaitso · 18/03/2021 11:43

I am gonna do me, what's right for my child, what's right for my life and what's right for my new love and their child. I would always be careful to ensure the children are happy. I would be the first to back away, slow down or give space and not move in on a whim!

The problem is, everyone says that. I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know your situation, and certainly there are happy blended families, of course there are. The problem is, this is what everyone says, whether it's true of them or not.

And you do need a more sophisticated way of working out if it's best for the children than simply asking them.

UnhingedDad · 18/03/2021 11:56

Does anyone have an acceptable time frame in mind? Should I wait 12 months, 5 years, 10 years, or wait till my child/their child is over 18, moved out of the house, or maybe wait till the children are married?

When is a good time to start a new relationship if you have children?

(Asking for a friend! 😜)

ItsIgginningtolooklikelockdown · 18/03/2021 12:03

I don't think it's starting it as much as bringing your dc into it. At least a year I would say, much longer before moving anyone in.

RickiTarr · 18/03/2021 12:08

@UnhingedDad

Does anyone have an acceptable time frame in mind? Should I wait 12 months, 5 years, 10 years, or wait till my child/their child is over 18, moved out of the house, or maybe wait till the children are married?

When is a good time to start a new relationship if you have children?

(Asking for a friend! 😜)

My rule of thumb (that I used when thinking about it as a new divorcee) would be once the dust has completely settled and everyone is happy and thriving post divorce, wait an extra year for luck and then date discreetly if you want. Then, only once you’re sure it’s a viable LTR, make introductions slowly between the DC & the OH.

If there has been DV, addiction or other trauma in the divorce, wait much longer.

Dating and introducing new partners to DC are two entirely different things, though. So if you’re an entirely solo parent 24/7 it can be tricky to do the secret dating thing? I appreciate.

Just my opinion.

Wills · 18/03/2021 12:13

I think it also depends on the age of the child. A baby would not know the difference! Indeed most evidence seems to point to the older children struggling far more than the younger ones to the point where 'children' who have moved out and have their own children just can't accept it (but trust me by that @UnhingedDad its none of 'darn' business - saying it more to show a point). But this is where I do agree with @UnhingedDad! The timing is personal - and having not gone through a divorce myself, only experienced others - I'm cautious to say what is right.

Lushers · 18/03/2021 12:18

I think there is a lot of 'smug' married people out there passing judgement on people who are divorced and have moved on. I don't think it's right that ex partners move quickly to blend families however and still think it's right to exercise caution. People will do it still, based on their own outlooks and opinions.

I see a lot of people who are in marriages observing others who are not in marriages and they come across as judgemental, supercilious, and patronising.

FullofCurryandparatha · 18/03/2021 12:19

I see a lot of people who are in marriages observing others who are not in marriages and they come across as judgemental, supercilious, and patronising

As do you

thecatandthevicar · 18/03/2021 12:22

Does anyone have an acceptable time frame in mind?

according to MN, if you are the MOTHER, acceptable time is anytime after you have broken up.

if you are the FATHER, acceptable time is once the children have left the house (if that) because introducing a new woman is a declaration of war!

Back in the real world, are people that desperate to settle so soon? It's a lot of unnecessary pressure to talk so early about commitment, settling down and introducing the kid. Why not chilling out a bit?

ItsIgginningtolooklikelockdown · 18/03/2021 12:42

Posters here are clearly expressing criticism of mothers in that scenario, not sure why you would be claiming otherwise?

UnhingedDad · 18/03/2021 12:42

Thanks for the advice! Personal choice and what is best for each person in the new situation (children included) is key. Not a one size fits all approach!

Maybe we should therefore be less judgemental about who can and cannot be part of a family! 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

handforther · 18/03/2021 12:42

Urgh, this thread is a very depressing read for someone (me!) who is considering whether to separate. Have a 3yo and husband can be very unpleasant and verbally abusive (to me only and not in front of our child) but terrified of ruining my daughter's life by breaking up her family home. Sounds like lots of posters have had a miserable childhood after their parents splitting Sad

LolaSmiles · 18/03/2021 12:50

handforther
I don't think any posters are advocating people remain in marriages and family units that are toxic or abusive.
They're just expressing their view that some people seem very quick to search for a replacement partner and parent figure, so move quickly from the family unit to playing happy families with a new partner in a short time frame.

thecatandthevicar that's what I've noticed on here. Don't forget that the father's partner of several years is the 'new girlfriend', meanwhile the man mum moves in after a few months is a step dad and an utterly brilliant, stupendously awesome father.

RickiTarr · 18/03/2021 13:27

according to MN, if you are the MOTHER, acceptable time is anytime after you have broken up.

What nonsense.

It’s a regular theme of the relationships threads that mums should give DC time to recover before they resume dating and also that mums shouldn’t introduce boyfriends or girlfriends to the DC until those are established relationships with long term potential.

RickiTarr · 18/03/2021 13:31

@handforther

Urgh, this thread is a very depressing read for someone (me!) who is considering whether to separate. Have a 3yo and husband can be very unpleasant and verbally abusive (to me only and not in front of our child) but terrified of ruining my daughter's life by breaking up her family home. Sounds like lots of posters have had a miserable childhood after their parents splitting Sad
Please do not think that way, about an abusive relationship. You are doing a different calculation to parents whose relationships are merely stale.

If he’s verbally abusive to you now, he will get worse, not better. Your three year old will get older and more aware, not younger and more oblivious.

You can rescue yourself and her with you and live in a happy, functional family of two, instead of staying and exposing her to an increasingly dysfunctional family with an unhappy mummy.

Flowers
BiBabbles · 18/03/2021 13:46

handforther Things were so much better for my siblings and I when my parents finally fully separated and we lived with a stable parent where we knew what to expect. It wasn't always great, we were shaky as we all had our own traumas from it, but it was so much better than the eggshells and pain of them together or with my mother.

The issues came when he started to bring his dating life and new partners into our home. He was a very people-pleaser person so any new partner brought into the home meant things were changed to accommodate so the expectations would change depending on whether the new partner was there or not. His dating tended to involve drinking - he's a guy who likes a party - and that made him less stable at a time when we needed him to be as stable as possible. At first he kept that out of the home, but once we were all living together, it was part of my life again in a way that left lasting harm. My siblings and I all started acting out and I became very dysregulated when the extended family started taking and putting up photos of us with the girlfriend as a 'family', it lead to a lot of issues that decades later my father and I can't really talk about. He thinks his family 'forgave' him and what happened with my mother, I think they erased it to make it prettier. We may both be right on some level, but I think when there is potential trauma involved, helping a child feel secure in reality is very important. New partners and adults acting as parents are a risk to that.

I was happy for him to be dating, told him so, but I was happier and more settled when his dates had as much affect on me as him going out with work colleagues (which he may have been shagging, who knows, not me - and that's nice). No one expected me to defer and like his workmates, they might change our schedule now and then, but they weren't going to tell me off for getting angry about it. I only had as much knowledge as affected me and no more - no one expected me to care about that.

As someone who was 'included' in way too many adult things as a child, I felt more loved and considered once I was just living with just my father and seeing him do things that made him happy outside the home that I was mostly not included in - it kinda gave me permission to do it too after a long time where it felt I couldn't. It was really depressing when that was taken away because when and where we were, 'moving on' and making a new family was seen as best for children. There was no moving on, my mother is who my mother is, but I was able to move forward a lot more easily once I could have stability and space to process my feelings without external pressure to feel any sort of way. The partners being a parent delayed that, I had terrible depression in the last year with them that everyone thought them marrying would help, somehow.

I know others who the safest option was moving in with another adult right away and were really careful about the impact on the child. I think it can be done, but it's difficult to do well. I think it's important to recognize that challenge and that even things that seem simple - like photos - can have a bigger impact on a child and their sense of safety than adults often appreciate. I think new adult relationships come as they do, but how that person is to the child is something entirely different with a lot of factors to consider.

LolaSmiles · 18/03/2021 13:48

RickiTarr
Quite a lot of posters advocate caution when a mother asks about her new relationship, but it still seems to be quite common to be introducing new partners to children quickly, and there's a not insignificant number of threads where moving in with a new partner is quickly followed by a new baby.

There's also quite an interesting difference between how a male ex's new partner is discussed years down the line vs how quickly it's considered acceptable for a mum to move her new fella in and have a lot of involvement with the children. There's a lot of threads where mum has moved on and her partner is living with the family, but dad's long term partner is still expected to have almost nothing to do with the children.

PradaBallbag · 18/03/2021 14:21

Urgh, this thread is a very depressing read for someone (me!) who is considering whether to separate. Have a 3yo and husband can be very unpleasant and verbally abusive (to me only and not in front of our child) but terrified of ruining my daughter's life by breaking up her family home. Sounds like lots of posters have had a miserable childhood after their parents splitting sad

Trust me, you will damage her more if you stay as she will think that what you have is a normal relationship and it will damage her own view of men and relationships. Take it from someone who has been there.

Good luck.

Diverseopinions · 18/03/2021 14:34

The theme of this thread has become that your marriage will survive if you work at it and it isn't luck but foresight and effort that makes the partnership succeed.

There is another thread on MN now from a lovely lady whose husband is being intellectually superior about their son's non-academic girlfriend and he has also been condescending about the OP's intellectual prowess. It looks on initial glance that most respondents are urging her to leave him.

This says to me that most on this thread are indeed blessed. They couldn't possibly imagine a difficult home life, such as the lady describes, but many marriages do indeed have issues with dogmatic viewpoints. ( Perhaps that lady's DH thinks their son will grow out of his girlfriend in his 20s, as can happen if a couple have mismatched levels of education and career satisfaction). What a headache to be dealing with an OH like that.

Many posting in this thread have husbands who want to stay with them. They have amenable partners, so that they don't expend energy talking their partner round to being more tolerant or kind. Their husband don't try to seduce other women. That is to be blessed and fortunate.. Many women like the lady on the other thread, will probably be tactfully putting across conciliatory viewpoints; trying to see other half's perspective. Making peace between kids and DH. Working out when tension has become to much for the kids.

Posters have been a bit smug about their own successful marriages, and a bit dismissive. I mean the comments about making a marriage work, not the moving a new partner in.

Barmychick · 18/03/2021 14:35

Not snobby at all just expressing a heartfelt opinion.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 18/03/2021 14:37

@handforther

Urgh, this thread is a very depressing read for someone (me!) who is considering whether to separate. Have a 3yo and husband can be very unpleasant and verbally abusive (to me only and not in front of our child) but terrified of ruining my daughter's life by breaking up her family home. Sounds like lots of posters have had a miserable childhood after their parents splitting Sad
It's not the actual split that's the problem, it's the forcing of stepfamily situations.
PradaBallbag · 18/03/2021 14:55

Very well said @Diverseopinions. All too easy to be smug if you haven't encountered any of the issues which many of us who are now divorced have.

TheOneWithTheBigNose · 18/03/2021 14:59

I don’t think many people on here are saying divorce is the issue, from what I can see. It’s people moving a new partner in with them and their kids within months of a marriage breaking down that’s the problem. They’re 2 entirely separate things.

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