To think that most men do respect women

[katieloves]

I’m concerned about the vilification of men that we’re hearing a lot about. I know there’s some men who disrespect women and this absolutely needs to stop, but equally I’ve witnessed women being equally disrespectful to men. I’ve seen plenty of women feeling up men etc. on a night out and it being laughed off. If this was reversed it would be considered assault. It feels like all men are being accused of treating women badly and I just don’t see it.

My point is, is this the time and place?

I'd say no.

@RootyT00t time and place for what? And when is that time and place?

@Pumperthepumper

We are far more likely to be assaulted, abused or killed in our own homes by someone we know , but we don't talk about that.

Of course ‘we’ talk about that. ‘We’ve’ been talking for years, years and years and years about women’s safety in the home, women’s refuges, safe spaces, Believe Women.

It means absolutely nothing if we can’t talk about the root cause - which is our old friend Male Violence.

Perhaps you so, but you don't talk realistically about the risk of these tragic events.

Hijacking what has happened to push the agenda of feminism, as is clear as day on these thread

The agenda of feminism being what? Keeping women safe? Do you honestly think these feminists are delighted a young woman has been brutally murdered because it means they can talk about how much they hate men? How likely is that?

Perhaps you so, but you don't talk realistically about the risk of these tragic events.

Which is what? Three women per week killed in the UK because of men? That risk?

@Pumperthepumper

My point is, is this the time and place?

I'd say no.

@RootyT00t time and place for what? And when is that time and place?

Well, there are threads today managing to connect the issue to twaw.

Is that appropriate?

Well, whenever you like, but I'd say less than 24 hours after a young woman has been murdered and her family can no longer look at her name without lots of people giving their opinions because they have had ENOUGH.

Has anyone considered the remote possibility her family may not want her name attached to any of this?

@Pumperthepumper

Perhaps you so, but you don't talk realistically about the risk of these tragic events.

Which is what? Three women per week killed in the UK because of men? That risk?

On the streets? At random? Like Sarah was? No.

@Pumperthepumper

Hijacking what has happened to push the agenda of feminism, as is clear as day on these thread

The agenda of feminism being what? Keeping women safe? Do you honestly think these feminists are delighted a young woman has been brutally murdered because it means they can talk about how much they hate men? How likely is that?

No, I'm not saying they're delighted, but that's different to saying I think their actions are correct really isn't it.

@katieloves

I’m concerned about the vilification of men that we’re hearing a lot about. I know there’s some men who disrespect women and this absolutely needs to stop, but equally I’ve witnessed women being equally disrespectful to men. I’ve seen plenty of women feeling up men etc. on a night out and it being laughed off. If this was reversed it would be considered assault. It feels like all men are being accused of treating women badly and I just don’t see it.

No they don't respect women, because if they did they'd be moving heaven and earth to enact laws to protect women.

But they're not doing this.

Rooty

My point is, is this the time and place? I'd say no.

I agree.

Yet Another event is already being planned for today by ReclaimTheseStreets.

@RootyT00t so we can’t talk about how many women are killed per week at the hands of men unless they’re all killed in exactly the same way?

Again, when would you rather talk about it? How many more women have to die before we can talk about it?

@Pumperthepumper

answered all of this. It’s because there are certain parts of each story that resonate - Sarah did everything I would have done to keep herself safe. It didn’t work.

So if I can’t keep myself safe, how do I run? How do I live my life?

Answer: I can’t, unless men, ALL MEN, All Men, start looking at male violence and what they can do to stop it.

I have just seen this.
I see your point here, in that you can relate to it. Absolutely.

But there is no connection between your statements.

Sarah did everything you did, but couldn't stay safe because a nutter policemen committed a heinous crime.

This does not mean you cannot go running.

Has anyone considered the remote possibility her family may not want her name attached to any of this?

They don’t. They have already said so.

[quote Pumperthepumper]@RootyT00t so we can’t talk about how many women are killed per week at the hands of men unless they’re all killed in exactly the same way?

Again, when would you rather talk about it? How many more women have to die before we can talk about it?[/quote]
You're twisting my words here.

My point is, the risk of these tragic events like Sarah is NOT three people a week.

To some extent I agree with you @RootyT00t . I had a similar discussion with DH about it on Friday.
We should have been angry about this before and the 'she was just walking home' hashtag suggests she didn't deserve this because she was behaving properly.

No women deserves to be murdered - I don't care if you're drunk and naked in the street you still don't deserve it.

However, I do think it's making more people pay attention to issues many of us have been shouting about for a long time so I see that as a good thing.

[quote RootyT00t]@Pumperthepumper

answered all of this. It’s because there are certain parts of each story that resonate - Sarah did everything I would have done to keep herself safe. It didn’t work.

So if I can’t keep myself safe, how do I run? How do I live my life?

Answer: I can’t, unless men, ALL MEN, All Men, start looking at male violence and what they can do to stop it.

I have just seen this.
I see your point here, in that you can relate to it. Absolutely.

But there is no connection between your statements.

Sarah did everything you did, but couldn't stay safe because a nutter policemen committed a heinous crime.

This does not mean you cannot go running.[/quote]
You didn’t read it carefully enough - I can’t go running because there are three men here harassing women. Should I take that risk?

@Whenthesunshines

Has anyone considered the remote possibility her family may not want her name attached to any of this?

They don’t. They have already said so.

How interesting.

I hope that was listened to and women will stop campaigning and protesting today, I'm sure they wouldn't claim that their right is more important than her family's....

Has anyone considered the remote possibility her family may not want her name attached to any of this?

I thought the same, it feels v disrespectful to her grieving family merely 24 hours after she's been found. And people at the vigil wearing t shirts saying "I am Sarah" - I find that so disrespectful. If it was my daughter who'd died, I'd be highly upset by that.

@pumperthepumper

Three men? Where?

@RootyT00t My point is, the risk of these tragic events like Sarah is NOT three people a week.

So when can we talk about those three women every week, in the UK, who are killed by men? When’s the time and place?

@LucieStar

Has anyone considered the remote possibility her family may not want her name attached to any of this?

I thought the same, it feels v disrespectful to her grieving family merely 24 hours after she's been found. And people at the vigil wearing t shirts saying "I am Sarah" - I find that so disrespectful. If it was my daughter who'd died, I'd be highly upset by that.

So would I.

[quote RootyT00t]@pumperthepumper

Three men? Where?[/quote]
Read my post.

[quote Pumperthepumper]**@RootyT00t* My point is, the risk of these tragic events like Sarah is NOT three people a week.*

So when can we talk about those three women every week, in the UK, who are killed by men? When’s the time and place?[/quote]
Read the posts above about her family.

@RootyT00t Read the posts above about her family

It’s really interesting that you can’t answer this question. When can we talk about the number of women killed by men every week in the UK? When is this time and place?

@Pumperthepumper That's a ridiculous comparison. The three women a week on the whole die at the hands of men they know, usually abusers

They are not waiting in the park.

[quote Pumperthepumper]**@RootyT00t* Read the posts above about her family*

It’s really interesting that you can’t answer this question. When can we talk about the number of women killed by men every week in the UK? When is this time and place?[/quote]
I have.

It's also really interesting that you continue to ask the same question despite multiple posters telling you her family don't want the events, protests or conversations to be had right now.

It shows exactly my point earlier - this event is being used to suit the agenda, as if clearly isn't about her or her family.