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To think that most men do respect women

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katieloves · 13/03/2021 08:36

I’m concerned about the vilification of men that we’re hearing a lot about. I know there’s some men who disrespect women and this absolutely needs to stop, but equally I’ve witnessed women being equally disrespectful to men. I’ve seen plenty of women feeling up men etc. on a night out and it being laughed off. If this was reversed it would be considered assault. It feels like all men are being accused of treating women badly and I just don’t see it.

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ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 13/03/2021 20:28

[quote madroid]@ReceptacleForTheRespectable

That experience of being with respectful polite men as they relax and become more and more sexist is one I'm very familiar with. My experiences are through work rather than a hobby, but are just as you describe. The three groups are the same too.

Usually I try to nip it in the bud or leave, sometimes I can't. It's very humiliating to sit through and actually ruins your relationship with all the men there.

They're shifty and ashamed, I'm angry and wary. I've had to develop amnesia to a certain extent. It's all very well saying call it out every time but if I did I wouldn't have a job.[/quote]
I tried to reply to this earlier, but it looks like it didn't post.

I can relate to the amnesia thing. You have to do it to stay sane to some extent. The hobby I do has to be done in pairs, so I had to mix with these people to some extent if I wanted to do the hobby. But the relationships and trust are soured once the mask slips and you realise how they view women.

These days I've largely absented myself from those groups. I have a couple of hobby partners who I trust, but otherwise I largely avoid that whole scene (except a women only group which is amazing). I flew the flag and spoke up for as long as I had the energy, but it just got too wearing and too repetitive. I dont think I made any difference to their views, I was just another "humourless feminist" who "couldn't take a joke" for them to laugh about when I was out of earshot.

ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 13/03/2021 20:30

@katieloves

I’m not saying they need to be nice for you to acknowledge they are equal. But if someone’s not nice to me, I’m not going to be nice to them. Why should I be?
This is the quote you objected to:

"Why should we have to be nice in order to convince them we deserve to be treated as equal humans"

It's pretty bloody obvious that I'm not talking about men being nice to me. I'm talking about men acknowledging our human rights as equal human beings.

But you knew that already didn't you?

This thread is goady AF

TheOldRazzleDazzle · 13/03/2021 20:32

I certainly don’t feel confident enough to say that a majority of men respect women. I think there is enough unconscious bias alone in society that even men who are fundamentally decent often hold views that hold women back. I work in a male-dominated environment, and while I can’t say I’ve suffered any serious overt sexism, I find I’m often treated with kid gloves, I get praised overly (to the point it’s ridiculous and embarrassing), and yet... career no great shakes, and I see male counterparts surpassing me for no real reason. I’m sure all those men who say how great and wonderful I am truly believe they respect me, but the fact remains I’m seen differently to men and not in a way that has benefitted me.

That’s before you get to minimising misogyny and violence against women, simply not caring about it, and lastly the overtly nasty stuff.

I think if you stack all that up, there would be relatively few men who truly respect women as much as, in the same way as, and under the same circumstances as they would men.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 13/03/2021 20:33

I think this case has engendered such strong responses for many reasons.

The first, and most important to remember is a woman going about her every day business has been brutally and senselessly murdered, devastating to her family and friends whose lives are forever changed and mired in a grief . There will be months or even years of building a case, media attention, and the possibility of a "not guilty" plea and a savage court room battle. The Defence has a duty if instructed so, to get their client a "not guilty" verdict, and they will use anything to bolster that case, even beyond common decency in the eyes of the public / decent human beings. Until one experiences a court case personally, it's not often recognised that it's a bit of a fight to the death for victory on both sides, and the pursuit of actual justice seems like a bit of a side bar.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be considered innocent until proven guilty, because that is the law. I think for him to have been charged so quickly as a policeman himself, suggests they are confident enough they have their man. Anything less would invite accusations of bias to one of their own, on the other side of the coin, might a defence include his victimisation or that personal grudges are at the root of his arrest? I would hope that in the face of solid and overwhelming evidence, his solicitor would strongly advise him to plead guilty and spare the family a horrendous trial experience. If he goes the mental health route, so be it. That will be hopefully robustly examined and conclusions drawn to decide where he should end up.

A "not guilty" verdict could result in the release of a dangerous man back onto the streets. I think it unlikely, but it could happen.

The family and friends of this man are also going through hell caused by him. Some will refuse to believe it at all. Others will have their worldview changed completely, trying to reconcile the man they believed they knew could do such a thing with the rather overwhelming evidence of his guilt.Some will be questioning their contact with him, things he said or did that might have pointed to such an inclination. Some may feel guilty because they wrote off "banter" or perhaps odd drunken displays of bad behaviour, refused to see it as a pattern or a flaw in his character, thinking it wasn't significant. His mother if she is still alive will probably be torn between loving and protecting her son, who may, in her eyes always have been a loving and respectful son (Or not. I'm speculating, trying to imagine this from all sides) and wondering if / where she went wrong. So might his father or other relatives. They may effectively share the burden of his guilt. He did this.

Onto wider society. Women see one of their own murdered despite doing "all the right things" and are naturally enraged, want justice, to feel safe and rightly, I feel, see it as a reflection of the societal rot that is mysogyny, hyper sexualisation from a young age, things they (mostly) have resisted and fought against, despite the message that freedom of choice is paramount and that there is, always has been, and always will be imbalances in power between the sexes, and that they are as responsible as the men who commit violence, as the victims of said violence.

The accused is a serving policeman (though off duty at the time [sceptical], as I have more than once been reminded by off duty policeman that they still have a duty to uphold the law) and I cannot imagine the broohaha going on right now - his colleagues have had their perfectly decent respectful reputations as defenders of the law and protectors called into question - similar to the NAMALT argument, NAPALT - but it only takes one to make everyone cast a suspicious eye and wonder how many have abused their authority in some way. On a wider scale, the Met will be aghast at this public relations fuck up. It should generate a thorough investigation into attitudes in the force and provoke a rigorous programme of attitude adjustment training - for the good of society and themselves. Politically, there is a shedload of ammunition to aim at the government over lack of resources etc etc.

The snowball effect and ripples will rumble through for a dogs age. It illustrates a society gone very very wrong on many levels.

You can say all you like, when any case of a murdered woman comes up, but NAMALT, but statistics prove that a significant proportion ARE disrespectful of women on a sliding scale that can end in murder. Statistics also prove that men who kill women can be "excused" - they just snapped, he was a good father, a good husband - like the man who killed his wife in a "moment" of lockdown induced stress, a couple of weeks in, because she was dismissive of his feelings apparently, and who strangled her with a cord after following her downstairs as she tried to escape, and was found with her house keys in her hands. Whose sentence was low, because it was un-premeditated manslaughter. He didn't mean it. It just happened. And he confessed. Good guy points right there.

Whether it's a stranger or a man known to you, the facts are the same. A woman is at serious risk when a man decides, in the moment, that she is his target. Fighting back may not work - it may enrage an attacker further - it may spell the difference between life and death.

I do not want to believe that most men are rapists or murderers. Most men are not. But most men I have been in contact with, including those I love, have demonstrated unconscious misogyny and lack of respect in what should be normal human to human interactions.

I don't subscribe to the idea that men are intrinsically violent nor that women are intrinsically nurturing or any of that bollocks, frankly. But I do believe that our society, somewhat by design, is steeped in an unhealthy stew of confusion over the standards of human decency, which should apply to all.

This crime has put so many things under the microscope that are long overdue examination and need to be discussed, analysed, and maybe, hopefully resolved to whatever degree is possible. Even if it is as mundane as everyone stopping and thinking before speaking and acting, and not to police or silence opinion, but so that those opinions are heard and examined for their source. If a debate gets heated, so be it. We're all adults, and while we dislike being disagreed with, it's going to happen.

Denying there is an elephant in the room because we can't believe that it is someone's husband, son, brother or father is a disservice to both sexes.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/03/2021 20:33

@MistressoftheDarkSide

If men feel trapped by toxic masculinity from other men, and can't fight it openly we're gonna need a bigger boat.....
This has made me smile Grin
FactsAndFigs · 13/03/2021 20:33

downwithall tell me where women condone any violence regardless of sex. But what is being said here is that women are responsible and to blame for both sexes, just what are men doing? What do you suggest, apologise as have committed MN sin and not read whole thread)

I’m sorry what has happened to your DS, I could write whole thread on way this is handled with my own DS school as I get boys will be boys, and girls just spiteful. I taught mine hitting etc is wrong, this I feel also made him target but I can’t condone violence. I don’t know how to stop that other than teaching of all no violence is acceptable.

FactsAndFigs · 13/03/2021 20:38

Flowers whateverhappenstomorrow

ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 13/03/2021 20:44

There will be months or even years of building a case, media attention, and the possibility of a "not guilty" plea and a savage court room battle. The Defence has a duty if instructed so, to get their client a "not guilty" verdict, and they will use anything to bolster that case, even beyond common decency in the eyes of the public / decent human beings. Until one experiences a court case personally, it's not often recognised that it's a bit of a fight to the death for victory on both sides, and the pursuit of actual justice seems like a bit of a side bar.

Having been through the process of a rape trial, testifying as the victim, this is 100% the truth. People would be shocked if they knew what goes on in court, and in the background, it's nothing to do with truth or justice.

enigma16 · 13/03/2021 20:44

A brilliant post, MistressoftheDarkSide

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 13/03/2021 20:47

@FactsAndFigs where has it been said that women have been blamed for both sexes?

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 13/03/2021 20:53
  • @JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows out of the thousands you have met how many did you get to know well , or are you talking men in pubs/ clubs*

Yes many in pubs and clubs and give the fact that they were either groping me, harrasing me when I wasn't interested or generally just behaving like pricks I think it's a fair measure to say they don't respect women.

Of most of my friends with partners most have nice men as partners who treat them as equals , in fact most are on par with careers etc, share childcare , household chores

Treating someone as an equal does not mean they respect them. It simply means they don't treat them as an inferior. There's a HUGE difference

CandyLeBonBon · 13/03/2021 21:09

[quote katieloves]@GCSE2024

If you are not teaching your DD to be wary of men you are doing her a disservice

What a sad outlook. I teach my daughter to respect and stand up for herself. She is much better at doing that than my ds. I worry more about him.[/quote]
Well I stood up for myself A LOT. I did it against the stepfather who sexually abused me. I said a clear NO to the man who raped me. I tried to walk away from the man who verbally disrespected me, who ended up kicking me from one end of the flat, to the other (and then complained he'd split his toe in the process!)

I was still raped. I was still beaten up, and I was still abused. Actually I was given MORE of a beating, and was treated to even worse behaviour precisely BECAUSE I STOOD UP FOR MYSELF.

So how does that work? I can tell you that a LOT of men who appear benign to their friends and family are not.

And no amount of women telling them no, and standing up for themselves will change the fact that, underneath the facade, too many men absolutely feel they are owed something from women.

TheJerkStore · 13/03/2021 21:18

@MistressoftheDarkSide

I think this case has engendered such strong responses for many reasons.

The first, and most important to remember is a woman going about her every day business has been brutally and senselessly murdered, devastating to her family and friends whose lives are forever changed and mired in a grief . There will be months or even years of building a case, media attention, and the possibility of a "not guilty" plea and a savage court room battle. The Defence has a duty if instructed so, to get their client a "not guilty" verdict, and they will use anything to bolster that case, even beyond common decency in the eyes of the public / decent human beings. Until one experiences a court case personally, it's not often recognised that it's a bit of a fight to the death for victory on both sides, and the pursuit of actual justice seems like a bit of a side bar.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be considered innocent until proven guilty, because that is the law. I think for him to have been charged so quickly as a policeman himself, suggests they are confident enough they have their man. Anything less would invite accusations of bias to one of their own, on the other side of the coin, might a defence include his victimisation or that personal grudges are at the root of his arrest? I would hope that in the face of solid and overwhelming evidence, his solicitor would strongly advise him to plead guilty and spare the family a horrendous trial experience. If he goes the mental health route, so be it. That will be hopefully robustly examined and conclusions drawn to decide where he should end up.

A "not guilty" verdict could result in the release of a dangerous man back onto the streets. I think it unlikely, but it could happen.

The family and friends of this man are also going through hell caused by him. Some will refuse to believe it at all. Others will have their worldview changed completely, trying to reconcile the man they believed they knew could do such a thing with the rather overwhelming evidence of his guilt.Some will be questioning their contact with him, things he said or did that might have pointed to such an inclination. Some may feel guilty because they wrote off "banter" or perhaps odd drunken displays of bad behaviour, refused to see it as a pattern or a flaw in his character, thinking it wasn't significant. His mother if she is still alive will probably be torn between loving and protecting her son, who may, in her eyes always have been a loving and respectful son (Or not. I'm speculating, trying to imagine this from all sides) and wondering if / where she went wrong. So might his father or other relatives. They may effectively share the burden of his guilt. He did this.

Onto wider society. Women see one of their own murdered despite doing "all the right things" and are naturally enraged, want justice, to feel safe and rightly, I feel, see it as a reflection of the societal rot that is mysogyny, hyper sexualisation from a young age, things they (mostly) have resisted and fought against, despite the message that freedom of choice is paramount and that there is, always has been, and always will be imbalances in power between the sexes, and that they are as responsible as the men who commit violence, as the victims of said violence.

The accused is a serving policeman (though off duty at the time [sceptical], as I have more than once been reminded by off duty policeman that they still have a duty to uphold the law) and I cannot imagine the broohaha going on right now - his colleagues have had their perfectly decent respectful reputations as defenders of the law and protectors called into question - similar to the NAMALT argument, NAPALT - but it only takes one to make everyone cast a suspicious eye and wonder how many have abused their authority in some way. On a wider scale, the Met will be aghast at this public relations fuck up. It should generate a thorough investigation into attitudes in the force and provoke a rigorous programme of attitude adjustment training - for the good of society and themselves. Politically, there is a shedload of ammunition to aim at the government over lack of resources etc etc.

The snowball effect and ripples will rumble through for a dogs age. It illustrates a society gone very very wrong on many levels.

You can say all you like, when any case of a murdered woman comes up, but NAMALT, but statistics prove that a significant proportion ARE disrespectful of women on a sliding scale that can end in murder. Statistics also prove that men who kill women can be "excused" - they just snapped, he was a good father, a good husband - like the man who killed his wife in a "moment" of lockdown induced stress, a couple of weeks in, because she was dismissive of his feelings apparently, and who strangled her with a cord after following her downstairs as she tried to escape, and was found with her house keys in her hands. Whose sentence was low, because it was un-premeditated manslaughter. He didn't mean it. It just happened. And he confessed. Good guy points right there.

Whether it's a stranger or a man known to you, the facts are the same. A woman is at serious risk when a man decides, in the moment, that she is his target. Fighting back may not work - it may enrage an attacker further - it may spell the difference between life and death.

I do not want to believe that most men are rapists or murderers. Most men are not. But most men I have been in contact with, including those I love, have demonstrated unconscious misogyny and lack of respect in what should be normal human to human interactions.

I don't subscribe to the idea that men are intrinsically violent nor that women are intrinsically nurturing or any of that bollocks, frankly. But I do believe that our society, somewhat by design, is steeped in an unhealthy stew of confusion over the standards of human decency, which should apply to all.

This crime has put so many things under the microscope that are long overdue examination and need to be discussed, analysed, and maybe, hopefully resolved to whatever degree is possible. Even if it is as mundane as everyone stopping and thinking before speaking and acting, and not to police or silence opinion, but so that those opinions are heard and examined for their source. If a debate gets heated, so be it. We're all adults, and while we dislike being disagreed with, it's going to happen.

Denying there is an elephant in the room because we can't believe that it is someone's husband, son, brother or father is a disservice to both sexes.

EVERYTHING in this post is spot on.
LolaSmiles · 13/03/2021 21:22

MistressoftheDarkSide
Absolutely brilliantly put.

We can't tiptoe around the issues of sexism, misogyny and male violence to pander to the feelings of some men who think a discussion of systemic issues is somehow a personal attack on them/pander to the feelings of some women who think they have to protect men from the nasty women who speak our about sexism.

UnsolicitedDickPic · 13/03/2021 21:30

@MistressoftheDarkSide

I think this case has engendered such strong responses for many reasons.

The first, and most important to remember is a woman going about her every day business has been brutally and senselessly murdered, devastating to her family and friends whose lives are forever changed and mired in a grief . There will be months or even years of building a case, media attention, and the possibility of a "not guilty" plea and a savage court room battle. The Defence has a duty if instructed so, to get their client a "not guilty" verdict, and they will use anything to bolster that case, even beyond common decency in the eyes of the public / decent human beings. Until one experiences a court case personally, it's not often recognised that it's a bit of a fight to the death for victory on both sides, and the pursuit of actual justice seems like a bit of a side bar.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be considered innocent until proven guilty, because that is the law. I think for him to have been charged so quickly as a policeman himself, suggests they are confident enough they have their man. Anything less would invite accusations of bias to one of their own, on the other side of the coin, might a defence include his victimisation or that personal grudges are at the root of his arrest? I would hope that in the face of solid and overwhelming evidence, his solicitor would strongly advise him to plead guilty and spare the family a horrendous trial experience. If he goes the mental health route, so be it. That will be hopefully robustly examined and conclusions drawn to decide where he should end up.

A "not guilty" verdict could result in the release of a dangerous man back onto the streets. I think it unlikely, but it could happen.

The family and friends of this man are also going through hell caused by him. Some will refuse to believe it at all. Others will have their worldview changed completely, trying to reconcile the man they believed they knew could do such a thing with the rather overwhelming evidence of his guilt.Some will be questioning their contact with him, things he said or did that might have pointed to such an inclination. Some may feel guilty because they wrote off "banter" or perhaps odd drunken displays of bad behaviour, refused to see it as a pattern or a flaw in his character, thinking it wasn't significant. His mother if she is still alive will probably be torn between loving and protecting her son, who may, in her eyes always have been a loving and respectful son (Or not. I'm speculating, trying to imagine this from all sides) and wondering if / where she went wrong. So might his father or other relatives. They may effectively share the burden of his guilt. He did this.

Onto wider society. Women see one of their own murdered despite doing "all the right things" and are naturally enraged, want justice, to feel safe and rightly, I feel, see it as a reflection of the societal rot that is mysogyny, hyper sexualisation from a young age, things they (mostly) have resisted and fought against, despite the message that freedom of choice is paramount and that there is, always has been, and always will be imbalances in power between the sexes, and that they are as responsible as the men who commit violence, as the victims of said violence.

The accused is a serving policeman (though off duty at the time [sceptical], as I have more than once been reminded by off duty policeman that they still have a duty to uphold the law) and I cannot imagine the broohaha going on right now - his colleagues have had their perfectly decent respectful reputations as defenders of the law and protectors called into question - similar to the NAMALT argument, NAPALT - but it only takes one to make everyone cast a suspicious eye and wonder how many have abused their authority in some way. On a wider scale, the Met will be aghast at this public relations fuck up. It should generate a thorough investigation into attitudes in the force and provoke a rigorous programme of attitude adjustment training - for the good of society and themselves. Politically, there is a shedload of ammunition to aim at the government over lack of resources etc etc.

The snowball effect and ripples will rumble through for a dogs age. It illustrates a society gone very very wrong on many levels.

You can say all you like, when any case of a murdered woman comes up, but NAMALT, but statistics prove that a significant proportion ARE disrespectful of women on a sliding scale that can end in murder. Statistics also prove that men who kill women can be "excused" - they just snapped, he was a good father, a good husband - like the man who killed his wife in a "moment" of lockdown induced stress, a couple of weeks in, because she was dismissive of his feelings apparently, and who strangled her with a cord after following her downstairs as she tried to escape, and was found with her house keys in her hands. Whose sentence was low, because it was un-premeditated manslaughter. He didn't mean it. It just happened. And he confessed. Good guy points right there.

Whether it's a stranger or a man known to you, the facts are the same. A woman is at serious risk when a man decides, in the moment, that she is his target. Fighting back may not work - it may enrage an attacker further - it may spell the difference between life and death.

I do not want to believe that most men are rapists or murderers. Most men are not. But most men I have been in contact with, including those I love, have demonstrated unconscious misogyny and lack of respect in what should be normal human to human interactions.

I don't subscribe to the idea that men are intrinsically violent nor that women are intrinsically nurturing or any of that bollocks, frankly. But I do believe that our society, somewhat by design, is steeped in an unhealthy stew of confusion over the standards of human decency, which should apply to all.

This crime has put so many things under the microscope that are long overdue examination and need to be discussed, analysed, and maybe, hopefully resolved to whatever degree is possible. Even if it is as mundane as everyone stopping and thinking before speaking and acting, and not to police or silence opinion, but so that those opinions are heard and examined for their source. If a debate gets heated, so be it. We're all adults, and while we dislike being disagreed with, it's going to happen.

Denying there is an elephant in the room because we can't believe that it is someone's husband, son, brother or father is a disservice to both sexes.

Thank you for this, eloquent and powerfully put.
Usagi12 · 13/03/2021 21:32

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

@Usagi12 oh the irony , the way you have spoken os disrespectful to me but as thats woman to woman is that ok
If a man spoke to you like that would you then claim abuse or harassment
I wasn't rude to you
I speak up if i see a situation of any man disrespecting a women , I have brought up my boys to respect women as well as men and like I say my ds took a fair amount if abuse of a girl and it was minimised by many as hes a boy and shes a girl

Crickey, if you think my post was rude, disrespectful and bordering on harassment I suggest you stay off all social media.
Stop being silly. I made no comment on your DS or anything he may have been through, you made no statements about that in your post, instead you questioned where I got the statistics I quoted (which I provided) and made a few ridiculous statements which didn't quite make sense.

Usagi12 · 13/03/2021 21:32

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

@Usagi12 oh the irony , the way you have spoken os disrespectful to me but as thats woman to woman is that ok
If a man spoke to you like that would you then claim abuse or harassment
I wasn't rude to you
I speak up if i see a situation of any man disrespecting a women , I have brought up my boys to respect women as well as men and like I say my ds took a fair amount if abuse of a girl and it was minimised by many as hes a boy and shes a girl

Crickey, if you think my post was rude, disrespectful and bordering on harassment I suggest you stay off all social media.
Stop being silly. I made no comment on your DS or anything he may have been through, you made no statements about that in your post, instead you questioned where I got the statistics I quoted (which I provided) and made a few ridiculous statements which didn't quite make sense.

Chanjer · 13/03/2021 21:38

MistressoftheDarkSide

Great post

MistressoftheDarkSide · 13/03/2021 21:57

Thank you for your kind comments - when I hit post I got the error message that the site was down and thought I'd lost the whole thing, and I really needed to try and express all the things that have been galloping through my head as I've flitted from thread to thread on this subject.

I did actually go outside at 9.30 with a candle and stand for two minutes in quiet contemplation. If it's the only gesture I can make right now, I needed to do it. No-one else on my street did, but it's a funny road, so I wasn't surprised.

When I came in my DP asked if I took a picture, and was bemused when I said No. He said, but no-one will know that you've done it. But I know. And I know many other women have done so too. I said, it's not about me, it's about Sarah Everard. But it also is. And all women. I did it my way, as is my right. I know what it meant, and my intent. Our expressions are valid in whatever form they take, I think.

I read my post to my DP. He complimented it, but couldn't quite grasp why I am so invested in this. He hasn't kept up with the news today. When he did go and look he was shocked at what he read.

In the Guardian I have watched some of the live updates that show women were arrested and manhandled at Clapham Common tonight.

If that doesn't show what women are up against I don't know what does.

And the first person who says that Covid is more important than a vigil for a murdered woman can have a whole packet of Biscuit Biscuit.

TedMullins · 13/03/2021 22:01

I do not want to believe that most men are rapists or murderers. Most men are not. But most men I have been in contact with, including those I love, have demonstrated unconscious misogyny and lack of respect in what should be normal human to human interactions.

Yes Mistressofthedarkside, everything you said is spot on, especially this bit. Men you know and love don’t get a free pass because you only see a good side of them and we all need to remember that.

When you look at men’s behaviour objectively, in society, the stuff described on here, the decisions from our supposed leaders... it’s honestly a miracle any woman chooses to involve herself with one.

twelly · 13/03/2021 22:08

Men aren't a homogeneous group - they are all unique, I feel the same about women. I think the language used towards men and boys is inappropriate. Villfying men dies not empower women it enflames the issue.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 13/03/2021 22:10

@Usagi12 you told me to grow up etc and I never said it was harassment just that if s man had said all that how would it go
Tbf some people have made me all look at this a little different and from another perspective

FactsAndFigs · 13/03/2021 22:12

Thank you for your posts mistressofthedarkside

LemonMeringueThreePointOneFour · 13/03/2021 22:36

The little things like manspreading, mansplaining (I realise those are both slightly misandristic terms), talking over women - see the PCC meeting with Jackie Weaver - all rather suggest that they don't, even the ones who wouldn't go as far as sexual harassment/assault.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/03/2021 22:43

Mistress your posts this evening are spot on Thanks

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