Davina McCall's tweet

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Davina McCall tweeted that female abduction / murder is extremely rare and that this level of fearmongering isn't good for men's mental health.

I don't understand why she is attempting to shift the narrative back to how men are feeling after yet another woman's life has been brutally ended BY A MAN.

For fuck's sake, Davina, we have a prominent voice this week, a huge platform to raise awareness about how most of us have to make so many micro- and macro-adjustments to allow for men's violence and here you are, putting men's health in the centre of all this.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking she should apologise and remove her tweet?

@Erkrie

Perhaps this is the crux of the problem, we have become far too complacent with the technology available and have forgotten the basic rules

What are the basic rules? As voicing an opinion that others disagree with is certainly not breaking any basic rules.

I read it as the poster was saying women are a lot safer now due to tech (interesting view as actually the internet especially has actually amplified it in some cases but anyway), but sometimes forget the 'rules' on how to keep themselves safe. I hope that wasn't what they meant though.

Ahh ok, I possibly misunderstood that then.

@FortunesFave

I'm British but have lived abroad for some years...I'm unsure as to why this case has garnered such a massive outrage? Not that that's bad of course! It's important that it has!

But women are murdered all the time...what's different about this one that's made things change in the media?

It's extremely rare in the U.K. that a woman is abducted off the street & murdered. Extremely rare. Then add in- by a serving member of the MET, she's pretty, seemed like a lovely person & all the other littke things like being sensibly dressed, not drunk & walking home on a reasonably busy route.

Davina needs to pipe down...

I don’t agree with her and have commented .

I hope she does not delete the tweet. It highlights the issues women face in a different light.

Also, no. I can not speak out against cancel culture and then partake in it myself.

Should she apologise I would hope it would only be because she has taken the time to reconsider and reevaluate. Otherwise, no - she should not apologise.

@Angrymum22

I have been busy this week so have not really engaged with this story. I am a little surprised at the outrage and reaction though. Women have been subjected to harassment and sexual attack when out alone since time began. Why is this set of circumstances any different? Most of us are aware of the risks of being out alone whether we are male or female. Is it because the victim was a well educated middle class young woman? I really don’t understand the reaction. I am of the same generation as Davina, perhaps life experience, growing during the “Yorkshire Ripper” years in West Yorkshire ensured that I was and still am always vigilant about being out and about on my own at night. I agree with her statement. There will always be men or women born into society that will pose a threat to others. Killers are not a new phenomenon or the result of modern society. In fact, the emergence of digital technology has made it so much safer for women. My parents would have been nervous wrecks had they had access to some of the technology available today. Perhaps this is the crux of the problem, we have become far too complacent with the technology available and have forgotten the basic rules.

What the hell are you on about?

A woman was abducted off the street & murdered & you are surprised at the outrage?? FFS

Your entire post is a disgrace.

Basic rules - risk assessment.
Realistically there are many situations where you have to risk assess before embarking. Travelling alone has always been higher risk, not because you are likely to be abducted, but if you have an accident no one is there to help you, for example walking home alone, drunk, along a canal path, you are more likely to trip and fall into water and drown than for someone to abduct you and murder you.

I live near the River Severn, every year there are a number of young adults who drown accidentally. They are on there way home and end up in the river for one reason or another ( alcohol related). If they had been with someone they would have stood a chance.

Being abducted and murdered while walking home on your own would be very low down on my list of likely outcomes. By far the highest outcome would be to arrive home safely.

Oh I've read some of her responses to the comments from women on Twitter...she looks like she's really lacking in any sort of awareness if I'm honest. Can't believe I ever didn't dislike her. Pfft.

i have had my comments criticized on here, what is the difference in davina's comments?

@Angrymum22

I have been busy this week so have not really engaged with this story. I am a little surprised at the outrage and reaction though. Women have been subjected to harassment and sexual attack when out alone since time began. Why is this set of circumstances any different? Most of us are aware of the risks of being out alone whether we are male or female. Is it because the victim was a well educated middle class young woman? I really don’t understand the reaction. I am of the same generation as Davina, perhaps life experience, growing during the “Yorkshire Ripper” years in West Yorkshire ensured that I was and still am always vigilant about being out and about on my own at night. I agree with her statement. There will always be men or women born into society that will pose a threat to others. Killers are not a new phenomenon or the result of modern society. In fact, the emergence of digital technology has made it so much safer for women. My parents would have been nervous wrecks had they had access to some of the technology available today. Perhaps this is the crux of the problem, we have become far too complacent with the technology available and have forgotten the basic rules.

This is the most bizarre post out of the lot. You are surprised at the reaction? We have forgotten the basic rules? Which of the rules do you think this women forgot and became "far too complacent with"? Walking down a fairly bright main route at 10pm? Calling her boyfriend on the walk? Wearing 'sensible' clothing?

I suppose I grew up in an era and area of the country where women did not go out at night alone. Perhaps my basic rules are those of an older generation that did not have mobile phones, as young women we would never have allowed another woman to go home on their own at night.
My DH wouldn’t dream of allowing a woman to make their way home alone, although I now have to warn him about offering lifts to strange women as it is often misconstrued.
The whole point of Davina's post was to point out how rare abduction and murder by a serving police officer was in this situation. It is incredibly sad for her family and friends, but that it is not appropriate for the feminist brigade to bandwagon this crime for their own cause and criminalise 50% of the population.

tbh more men than women are killed outside, in the open

Most women who are killed are by people they know.
A stranger (a serving police officer in this case) abducting a woman is extremely rare. And with the help of his wife and you are looking at decades since something like this has happened before

The cynic in me is thinking this out pouring is being flamed so that H&M are off the front page
I also wonder if the colour of the skin had been different would we be having this uproar?

agree @Bythemillpond, sadly,

H & M criticism forgotten about, and dont bother mention Andrew

It is incredibly sad for her family and friends, but that it is not appropriate for the feminist brigade to bandwagon this crime for their own cause and criminalise 50% of the population.

It is entirely appropriate for women to say enough is enough. Whether they consider themselves to be feminist or not.. All women are concerned about the safety of women. Their own safety. The other 50 per cent of the population. Male crimes against women. Again. Over and over again. And, yet again, it's not all men. But it usually is men. And this problem needs dealing with.

@Angrymum22

I suppose I grew up in an era and area of the country where women did not go out at night alone. Perhaps my basic rules are those of an older generation that did not have mobile phones, as young women we would never have allowed another woman to go home on their own at night. My DH wouldn’t dream of allowing a woman to make their way home alone, although I now have to warn him about offering lifts to strange women as it is often misconstrued. The whole point of Davina's post was to point out how rare abduction and murder by a serving police officer was in this situation. It is incredibly sad for her family and friends, but that it is not appropriate for the feminist brigade to bandwagon this crime for their own cause and criminalise 50% of the population.

And you think that is an acceptable rule? That women shouldn't be "allowed" to walk home alone by the men in their life?

You realise this women was walking home at like 10pm, down well lit main streets in a huge city?

That shouldn't be allowed? And somehow this woman, and her partner and her friends are somehow all at fault for letting her?

You think it is wrong to jump on this and it has been blown out of proportion because it is rare and yet you think women should not be allowed out past 10pm?!

The fact remains that we will never be equal to men as women. They can attack and kill us a lot easier than the female species can to do the male.

In a couple of weeks any men upset by what is going on will have almost forgotten all this. Sarah's family never will. Women who have been attached by a man never will.

Poor mental health is a lot easier to recover from than being murdered.

@Inthevirtualwaitingroom

tbh more men than women are killed outside, in the open

Yes, by other men.

If a woman IS killed, the chances are her killer will be a man.

These random kidnappings, assaults and murders or serial killers who kill for 'fun' are almost always white men.

Someone brought up the Dunblane massacre earlier. Think of any senseless random killing, of men, women or children, and the killer will almost always be a man.

tbh more men than women are killed outside, in the open

By men. And if women didn't take the extreme precautions that they currently need to, then without a doubt those rates would rise for women too.

Sarah Everard went missing before the interview was aired and this was reported

The majority of people I believe feel this is a far more concerning but then there is certain areas of the press that prefer to stick to Megan bashing because they know exactly how to whip their racist and sexist readers into a posting frenzy which equals more money for them

Should we also now be wary of all police?? Going by your logic on men. Because after all, she was killed by a POLICE man🙄

But women are murdered all the time...what's different about this one that's made things change in the media?

All murders are horrible; but I think what got this one particular attention was that the suspect is a serving policeman: i.e. someone who is supposed to be protecting us from harm, not perpetrating it.

It was not long ago in Europe where it was normal for women always to be chaperoned by other male family members . Brothers , cousins etc.

I always drilled it into my daughters when on a night out always to stick together not leave someone stranded . And I am sure that applies to young men as well . The world is not entirely safe for them either .

But you can not eliminate risk 100% . This does not always happen at night in the dark .

So instead of extreme reactions it is correct to try and educate boys and men how women feel and how to behave on the street .

I remember accidentally putting myself at risk one night by missing my station and ending up at an unmanned station on my own , no mobile phones in those days . I did not make the same mistake again . I did feel terrified .

It seems a possibility in this case that perhaps the fact she was shown an ID card she felt she was safe ?

It’s a very sad case indeed and all we can hope is that some good come out of it but at the moment I am not sure that knee jerk reactions are the right way to go .

Sorry, to whom are you talking @Crystalclair?

If you troubled yourself to read this thread, (which I'm guessing you haven't, since you waded in last minute with your 'gotcha', that men are more likely to be murdered than women), you would see your point has been raised and answered, several times already. So take your eye roll and...you know, have a lovely day.

@YournameIs ah did you think I was going to run off and cry at your witty retort 😁. Literally not explain myself to you. Hope your day is even better x