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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to ask if you would be upset about this group chat situation?

183 replies

BlackBucketOfCheese · 11/03/2021 21:52

I’m in a group chat with loads of women who did the same degree. We all went on to do the same kinds of jobs and often need support as it is very stressful. It is nice having a group who understand the work situation and the terminology and they have always been a very supportive group with no in fighting and lots of great, sisterly, fun, feminist chat. We are a close group.

During the pandemic the group has thrived and we have all helped each other out in a variety of ways. From home birth emergencies, child care, financially, picking up shopping, staying up to talk through upsetting issues and generally getting each other through the days of the pandemic.

We have all mentioned how positive it has been and how much we have all gained from it.

Last week one of the women added her wife. And since then the group has all but fallen to pieces. She doesn’t understand the terminology (fair enough it isn’t her job) but it means a lot gets lost in translation or many of us have to explain detailed things which are impossible to understand fully without our training. The rest of us can use an
acronym and we all understand.
The worst part of it all is they have back and forth couple-y chats all the time. I’ll pick up my phone and see dozens of WhatsApp messages and they are between this couple discussing what to have for dinner or what on telly.

Many of us also discuss very personal things which we would only share with people we know - rape, miscarriage, marital issues, work troubles and now we have this stranger inserted into our conversation.

Most other conversation has dried up and a life line to that sisterly gang seems to have broken off.

My DH thinks I’m being unreasonable to be upset about this, AIBU?

OP posts:
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 13/03/2021 14:15

It was always going to leave to wife leaving as there was no other way if your group was to stay intact. Wife-adder may be back once she's go over her feelings.

It was wrong of wife-adder to put the group in this position, it wasn't wrong of the group to feel upset by it yet unable/unwilling to push the point.

At least your group is mostly intact. If wife-adder leaves it too long then she will not be able to re-join as the group dynamic will have changed without her.

I was reading about the dynamics of group formation (for work) and there was reference to forming, storming, norming and performing. I think your group is between forming and storming and that it will happen more quickly than a brand new group would... this is part of your group's history.

Please don't feel badly about this, I imagine your group will recover and go back to how it was if the two leavers come back, with or without wife-adder.

RosemarysCat · 13/03/2021 14:15

@BlackBucketOfCheese

We tried to diplomatically bring the subject up this lunch time. 30 mins after our group discussion the wife-adder and her wife left.

It’s so sad that our honesty led to this.

Oh no! Did they understand where you were coming from?

maynardgkrebs · 13/03/2021 14:18

Good. Uncomfortable, but good. Better wife-adder huffs off than destroys the whole point of the group.

Mylovelyhorsee · 13/03/2021 14:22

@BlackBucketOfCheese

Oh no what was said?

FrickinA · 13/03/2021 14:25

The wife adder just needs to take a step back and have some time. You could always send her a quick, ‘ you know you’re welcome back when you want’ type message.

BlackBucketOfCheese · 13/03/2021 14:32

Oh no what was said?

It was all very gentle and calm initially with 3 of us saying how much we liked the wife but that we felt the group dynamics had altered too much, we didn’t feel comfortable sharing as we had previously done and if possible we would like to restore it as was or create a separate group for all of the original 12 and our partners.

The wife was actually pretty understanding to start with but wife-adder turned it around saying it was a group for women and as the other 11 of us are all with men, it isn’t quite the same and that we are clearly excluding her wife from a women’s group.

I didn’t reply after that message and them leaving because frankly I didn’t like what I was being accused of when all I had done was admit I only want to vulnerable in front of long term friends.

OP posts:
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 13/03/2021 14:35

Wife sounds completely unreasonable. It's up to wife-adder if she can see beyond it. If she can't then, it will be a loss to the group - but not for long. She has a small window to pull back into the group (without wife).

It won't smart forever, BlueBucketOfCheese. Thanks

user1471439310 · 13/03/2021 15:09

I might be wrong but it sounds like the wife added feels no one likes that she is a woman and the rest of you don't like that. That is on her, you sound lovely and kind.

ElderMillennial · 13/03/2021 15:12

So wife added wife without properly asking how you all felt BUT isn't happy with the idea of other partners joining? What?!

No it isn't a group for women, is it, it's a group of friends.

MacbookHo · 13/03/2021 15:34

My brother has been going on a skiing holiday with his really close group of friends for about 20 years. They have a group WhatsApp. I'm on it, as I've been skiing with them a few times, but I never post on it.

My brother's awful GF is now on that, and it really irritated me. She's never been skiing, would never ski, could never ski, wouldn't be allowed on a chairlift. But she's all over this chat, making her "hilarious" remarks that are usually jokes at my brother's expense. Or being brave about some self-inflicted drama or another. This is the same lovely group of friends that she complained "weren't very welcoming" to her when she met them.

I just left.

MacbookHo · 13/03/2021 15:38

We also have a family group message that she's a part of. They always "love heart" or reply to each other's posts or photos on that, whilst sitting next to each other on the sofa at home... It's just weird. People are weird.

Hope you get it all sorted out, OP.

WisnaeMe · 13/03/2021 15:40

She's being very unreasonable OP, and I'd be creating a new group for you guys and just exclude them both. It's ironic the Wife is so much more understanding of this easily resolved situation, 🌺

SwanShaped · 13/03/2021 15:47

Yeah it’s really weird to have added her. And seeing as the group was dying out anyway since the wife was added, then it’s no massive loss. But horrible for you as well. Hopefully the group can be restored to how it was before, even if wife-adder doesn’t want to rejoin

ThatOtherPoster · 13/03/2021 15:59

wife-adder turned it around saying it was a group for women

A group of women who'd all studied together and all now work in the same profession...

Notaroadrunner · 13/03/2021 16:14

If she's that stroppy maybe she's best off out of it. Hopefully the 11 of you can continue to chat as you used to. She only has herself to blame for not being part of the chat anymore. If she can't understand that it's not simply a women's chat group then she's really a bit thick. It's a group for those of you who studied together and work in the same field - which her wife does not belong to.

VodkaSlimline · 13/03/2021 16:31

Sounds like a good outcome. Don't forget to add the other two friends who already left back into the group!

AtrociousCircumstance · 13/03/2021 16:37

A group for women, so - any women? Their next door neighbour? Someone’s seventeen year old cousin? Any random woman? Doesn’t the gradual build up of rapport and trust and history mean anything to them then? Hmm

Don’t feel guilty OP (I’m sure you don’t) - they behaved in such a clumsy and entitled manner, the outcome was their own creation.

BenoneBeauty · 13/03/2021 17:06

Well done for being honest rather than doing anything behind her back but she's totally out of order for making you guys feel unreasonable (or even bigoted depending on how it came across).

Hope you are able to get your supportive group back.

Howshouldibehave · 13/03/2021 17:09

wife-adder turned it around saying it was a group for women

That’s interesting and something to which I would have replied-‘well, no-actually, it was a group for nurses/doctors/radiographers etc who qualified in 2010 from X university’.

Skythrill · 13/03/2021 19:04

I would suggest starting a splinter group but do it with the original members, NOT excluding the one who added her wife (but obvs not adding the wife).

On the one hand, the wife might have been added in a “let me in!” way, quite innocently, or it’s a controlling/monitoring behaviour.

You could start it with a very technical question/link to an article about something related to your degree and in the hope that this “new” group takes off.

I expect all your friends will thank you for it.

If she adds her wife again...simply start another splinter group without her!

Skythrill · 13/03/2021 19:09

Ooh sorry OP I didn’t read your later posts.

Oh that’s a sad outcome.

Sunhoop · 13/03/2021 19:22

Seems a bit blown out of proportion to me if you actually liked the woman. She would probably have known about everything you were talking about anyway through her wife. A group of 12 is hardly an "intimate" group so I can't see why it would have made a major difference. While it was a bit awkward for the friend to add her wife - was it really worth losing her friendship over? Juvenile behaviour all around IMO.

LongHotSummerJustPassedMeBy · 13/03/2021 19:44

How tone deaf must the wife be. Did she not wonder why you were all using work related acronyms?

Porridgeoat · 13/03/2021 20:01

I don’t understand why you didn’t do it a less hurtful way. You could have added partners and then made a small splinter group

MNerGoneRogueAgain · 13/03/2021 20:27
Flowers

I've been following this since the start and totally feel for you. These groups are so important in getting us through lockdown.

I would respect their decision to leave, but ensure you send regular messages to your friend, just to let her know you and the group miss her and are thinking of her.

And hold your head up high for dealing with the situation with honesty