To think Harry threw Meghan to the lions

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OK apologies its another thread on this but hear me out

So I've watched the interview and I think Harry actually comes off looking much worse and that Meghan is actually suffering because he's a pretty shit partner.

On watching it and if you take what she says at face value:

Why didn't he tell her what it was all about given that she said she didn't know anything about the royals?

Why didn't he warn her what happened to his mother if she was that unaware?

Why didn't he arrange mental health support given he's had a therapist on speed dial for years?

Why didn't he stand up against Kate if she made Meghan cry?

Why have another child if he knows that there won't be any security for Archie?

Why not sort out a realistic plan to support himself before leaving rather than making knee jerk reactions which put his wife and child at risk?

So many questions that actually make Harry look like a pretty shit husband. To me he seems to be the one that is responsible for putting Meghan into the situation she's in now and then to make himself look better throws his family under the bus rather than take responsibility.

YANBU - Harry needs to take some responsibility for Meghan's experiences

YABU - he is not to blame for what happened to her.

Wow so I've only just watched it.....that's 2hrs of my life I'm not getting back to listen to complete waffle.

I was expecting Meghan to come across as smug, poor me and she didn't disappoint. Harry came across as just an arrogant, spoilt arse which I wasn't expecting.

All these years Harry has been portrayed as fun, smart, cool, normal and all that has just been wiped out. If we are to believe M that she didn't Google the RF or H then Harry has done her a complete disservice by not explaining things properly. Did he not say anything as he knew previous girlfriends didn't want the lifestyle so didn't want this one to run away?

As for M why would you not research what you were getting into, surely she would research a TV role so why not this job? Yes it's family but as she said it's also a business.

The whole nothing is off limits was crap, I can't say I haven't learnt anything new from their side of the story that hasn't been said already. Also why take over a year to do this why not do it when they first left ?

All in all it smacks of how out of step they are with normal life and normal people.

Find it increasingly strange that Harry who champions mental health was unable to get her help.

A lot of the stuff quoted was pointed unverifed acusations with very little details just enough to provoke the reaction she wants.
If it's true call it out properly .

If taking at face value;:

I was disappointed to see neither of them took any responsibility for their part in the lack of understanding and preparation for royal life. It is both a job (which they seem to acknowledge) and a family. Why didn’t he prep her??

Even Oprah was surprised and actually the only proper questioning she did was on this issue.

I also think the royal family and the palace officials have really left themselves open to criticism if they also did nothing before they were married to ensure they explained the basics. Sounds incredibly outdated and informal.

You are extremely unreasonable OP both in starting yet another bloody thread about this but also using the 'vote' function as if it were a poll. It is not. YABU for the thread and the content of it

I agree, so fed up of the vote function being used as a poll. We need a topic. Well actually we don't-there is one but nobody posts on it. AIBU for traffic and polls.

Harry comes from a very dysfunctional family and had a difficult childhood, he might have had lots of money but his parents divorced and his mother died when he was still a child. And it looks like the RF haven't learnt anything since C&D and A&S. I think whatever you think of Meghan it's been clear she has been victim to a lot of racially motivated hate both from the press and from the RF itself. Her family, probably not surprisingly, have struggled with the press attention. Kate got a lot of abuse in the press early on but at least had a solid and supportive family. I have no idea who said what when but I think anyone would struggle joining that family so I do feel sorry for Meghan. It's a life that has none of the advantages of the 21st century and all of the disadvantages.

I don't think ANY of us could be prepared enough for what came her way and we are born and bred here and saw the Diana story play out. Let alone an American with their arms length coverage of the UK.

Unless you've seen American TV you wouldn't believe how little coverage they have of anything outside of the US. So if people here think they think about the RF maybe 5% that's like 4% too much!

I think he saw her a TV person so used to cameras, which she was, and they both thought about it from the perspective of being ok with having cameras chucked in your face. Which she was.

What she wasn't prepared for was the stalking from Piers Morgan and the DM and the racist attacks from everyone incl the BBC who called her baby a monkey.

As he admits he never thought about / couldn't see the racism until it hit him through her and by then it was too late. Even his mother didn't go through that!

Remember the British media have done a great job of making us think they've learned from Diana. Then when M came along we saw just how racist, rancid and corrupt they are when the gloves off. Again.

All these years Harry has been portrayed as fun, smart, cool, normal and all that has just been wiped out. If we are to believe M that she didn't Google the RF or H then Harry has done her a complete disservice by not explaining things properly. Did he not say anything as he knew previous girlfriends didn't want the lifestyle so didn't want this one to run away?

That's good PR for you, but then people did swallow it. I think he's too thick and entitled to reflect on his own behaviour.

I never thought that it was acceptable to dress as a Nazi - and the same Harry criticising the wrongs of the commonwealth wore that costume to a Natives and Colonials party.

It's damaging to Britain because right now algorithms determine what news many millions of people see or share, and right now millions of POC are having Harry's side put across - that Britain is racist. The algorithms don't support balance of opinion, like "Look, this guy used racial slurs and dressed as a Nazi - maybe he's not right about everything." they funnel information confirming what people already believe, for the ad revenue.

I agree with the OP - it's never a good idea to set yourselves up on a pedastal regardless of the outcomes. Of which there are huge ones - for them, for their families, and at another level for their countries, but also race relations.

I don't understand why you would expect the palace/grey suits to sort out mental health support/treatment. Surely in this day and age and given their status H or M herself could have got a specialist[s] to even do a palace home visit.

I think it was Camilla too.

Think about it - if Charles was not responding to his calls, that's his missus pure and simple because if she wanted him to take the call he'd have had no choice. We all know how that works.

I think she interfered in his parent's marriage, she finally got the man, then she screwed over the son ... again because its her nature..

Funny thing is all we need is Will and Kate to come out and say it wasn't them - which they probably will find a way to do... Then all eyes on C&C. She just might not get what she's always wanted all along which is a crown on her head.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

I wonder how the conversation played out meghan states she is suicidal Harry tells her to get dressed they have a function to attend and she does? Now she can't look back at photos of that night....would your response not be i will call off the social engagement and call a therapist?

At least 90% of what they said was utter bollocks so I can’t really judge. My favourite part of the soap opera was when they lied about getting married three days before, the part when she pretended she didn’t know anything before going in, the part when she said she was trapped and couldnt even go to lunch despite jetting around to at least four countries in one summer, Harry saying he never got to go bike riding as a child despite there being two decades worth of photos of him being ridden around by Charles and then by himself, and mostly when they said they wanted to get ‘back to basics’ and ‘live authentically’ their £15 million pound house with 16 bathrooms whilst Archie shouts ‘hydrate’ constantly to everyone.
Harry literally was astounded his father cut him off financially after he left (imagine! You left and want him and the taxpayer to bank roll you?!) leaving him with only tens and tens of millions. Cry me a river Haz.
I think they are both idiots

I think Megan comes across as single-minded and would be very difficult to give advice or support to.
I think in daily life she would be very controlling of her time, her day and her image. Being a dutiful, uncomplaining cog in the institution of monarchy wouldn't come naturally to her.

@EineReiseDurchDieZeit

I was very pro Meghan prior to this, not anymore. I thought she in particular came across badly but Harry did also for blatantly giving her no information about expectations.

It felt very clear to me that the toys were thrown out of the pram by her over the Prince and Princess titles and its THAT simple.

The decision that such titles would not extend to cousins to the throne was taken by Charles when Harry was still at Eton (I think) because of negativity around Beatrice and Eugenie and Andrew's unreasonable demands regarding them.

Megan is spoiled and entitled
Harry is thick, spoiled and entitled.

They both want EVERYTHING their way

They can both fuck off

And I hope an Official Statement eviscerates them on the Prince/Princess matter.

Agree with this

@DollyMinx

I don't understand why you would expect the palace/grey suits to sort out mental health support/treatment. Surely in this day and age and given their status H or M herself could have got a specialist[s] to even do a palace home visit.

This! I could maybe understand the Palace officials not wanting her to check in to a facility (think of the press coverage/security issues) also that being a very Hollywood thing to do goes against the RF standard. But...why couldn't her husband organise his own therapist to see her, or they arrange for some to come in just like the do with all other Dr's?

I can't see them just saying No to a mental health issue when H and W set up a charity for exactly that issue. Or was the issue they wanted a big 'cleb' therapist to be flown in from wherever and to be paid for by the state ?

Context is everything and I don't think we have been given the full context on anything that was discussed.

I think he could have been much more supportive to teach her about royal life, he knows it, he lives it, he was the best person.
It's funny though, Meghan complained about her father talking to the press about her, now she's doing it to Harry's family. She wouldn't answer her dads calls, and they complain Charles won't answer theirs. I know people will shout different circumstances but it's the same principles. She wants things to be her way and people to behave as she would like, and if she doesn't get it, she complains.
Harry needs to support his wife with mental health issues, it's not simply down to the palace, he should have been there and get her the help she needed. Yes he went to an event to support her, but doesn't seem he did much else.

I think Harry comes across very badly.
I haven't forgot to the nazi costume laughing with his mates dressed as the KKK!

I find it hard to swallow that two people who started a mental health charity with Wi&K didn't know where to go for help.

Did she not have a midwife? When I had depression during my pregnancy the midwives were brilliant.

Harry - you want us to believe your wife said she was suicidal but you made her go to a formal engagement anyway, that every thing you've done is to protect Megan and the children but you didn't put her In The car and take her straight for help when she needed it.

No partner who loves their wife and is a mental health champion treats them like that!!

I do have to wonder why the request for therapy went to HR. To head off bullying accusations,? Each member of the RF has a private secretary who effectively oversees their household,diary, staff etc. Diana's was Patrick Jephson. That request should prob go via them (due to cost) after the person consulting their Dr. Both Harry & Charles had no issue accessing therapy. And 'we didn't have a plan'?! Seriously? Is that why rather than put it in writing to Charles he just announced it? Kneejerk decision making is not a way to live even an ordinary life,let alone a Rogltal one. I can't believe he thought he'd still get his 6security people. Quite astonishing. I do think there was prob racism & I do think Kate being snotty about protocol dictates bridesmaids wear tights was a power trip thing.

I felt irrationally cross about this earlier personally right now im not working im a carer i get paid £67 and change a week to look after my sen child 24/7 when I hopefully return to work I will be paying tax on my wages it feels they want the amount I pay in taxes to pay for them and there children not pay towards sen services that would improve and enrich my child's life not pay towards services for the elderly to support families in England etc they want the money that i earn being away from my children to pay for there's so they dont have to dip into there millions and pay for themselves they are a two parent family (I am not) they are healthy and wealthy and overseas thriving to use there words this might not be what they mean to say but it feels like they feel more entitled to the money that I earn than everyone else? They have skills Harry could always go back into the military meghan could do her acting they can just get a dam job like the rest of us

Ive posted similar to this on another thread.

I've thought about the interview and my take is that everything that was said came from entirely their perspective.
And as such it can be interpreted in a different way to what we think M&h may have meant:
The earlier wedding - Meghan presents it as such as that's what she considered it. To everyone else perhaps it was a rehearsal or a discussion about the vows but as it WAS with the Archbishop it was real enough in her mind for her to class it as an actual marriage.

The mental health crisis - she actually wanted to be admitted into a clinic. Not surprisingly the palace thought she could be helped in a less public way. She presents this as being denied help.

Re the mental health support. A fair number of royalty have had mental illness - Diana, rumoured her sons, in the Crown we saw Princess Margaret having therapy. A minor royal has had quite severe mh issues and has since left to live a different life. I don't for one minute believe that the palace refused to help her, just that it wasn't the type help she sought.

Kate and Meghan. We kind of know what the row may have been about. Both upset each other and cried. Only Kate's upset was reported in the press. Kate sent Meghan an apology and flowers etc. Meghan was right to say Kate made me cry but it wasn't the full picture.

The passport. It's looked after by her assistant for travel etc. Meghan presents this to look like she's held hostage. It's just heavy handed organisation by the Palace staff.

Security and the title - different issues but connected in their minds. The public shouldn't be expected to pay for private citizens security. The Royal Family should pay their own way if not working royals as I believe Andrew ended up doing for the York girls.

I thought everything she said was true but true in her own mind and she sincerely believes she is right - but could be looked at from another angle with a different interpretation.

The whole thing was ghastly. She did what she thought was the right amount of pausing and looking away tearfully, catching her breath and pretending not to know some of the more famous rumours that Oprah mentioned to come across as genuine. She's not that good an actress though, unfortunately. There were a few contradictions too, which she did try to correct when she realised she'd slipped up.
Harry has adopted Meghan's way of speaking and mannerisms in a shockingly short space of time, which does suggest he isn't a very strong character to begin with.
The bit about her blaming 'them' for her not knowing the national anthem was a particularly ridiculous comment. Like she's never heard of Google and couldn't just look that up and learn the extremely basic and repetitive words in about half an hour.
There was a little dig in there about the York sisters too.
The comment about Archie being the only great grandchild to have not been given a title was obviously false too - the only great grandchildren of the Queen to have titles are William's kids because he's the heir to the throne. Harry is sixth in line now - the same as what Eugenie was before William had kids. Utterly irrelevant. They just want to be treated like a king and queen when they're really not.

@GrimDamnFanjo

Ive posted similar to this on another thread.

I've thought about the interview and my take is that everything that was said came from entirely their perspective.
And as such it can be interpreted in a different way to what we think M&h may have meant:
The earlier wedding - Meghan presents it as such as that's what she considered it. To everyone else perhaps it was a rehearsal or a discussion about the vows but as it WAS with the Archbishop it was real enough in her mind for her to class it as an actual marriage.

The mental health crisis - she actually wanted to be admitted into a clinic. Not surprisingly the palace thought she could be helped in a less public way. She presents this as being denied help.

Re the mental health support. A fair number of royalty have had mental illness - Diana, rumoured her sons, in the Crown we saw Princess Margaret having therapy. A minor royal has had quite severe mh issues and has since left to live a different life. I don't for one minute believe that the palace refused to help her, just that it wasn't the type help she sought.

Kate and Meghan. We kind of know what the row may have been about. Both upset each other and cried. Only Kate's upset was reported in the press. Kate sent Meghan an apology and flowers etc. Meghan was right to say Kate made me cry but it wasn't the full picture.

The passport. It's looked after by her assistant for travel etc. Meghan presents this to look like she's held hostage. It's just heavy handed organisation by the Palace staff.

Security and the title - different issues but connected in their minds. The public shouldn't be expected to pay for private citizens security. The Royal Family should pay their own way if not working royals as I believe Andrew ended up doing for the York girls.

I thought everything she said was true but true in her own mind and she sincerely believes she is right - but could be looked at from another angle with a different interpretation.

I agree entirely with this.

I'm half and half regarding H and M. I think they probably did have a hard time and Meghan was never going to adjust to royal life. She was a Hollywood actress used to the lime light, yes, but also used to calling the shots and being her own boss. I can imagine as a royal who is not the Queen, you get told where you're going, whom you're meeting, what you should wear, what and when you can eat, who you can talk to, everything micromanaged down to the last detail. Probably very few could handle that.

However, they made such a big deal over and over about security being taken away and how at risk they, and especially Archie, were. They said that's why they left Canada. That's absolute nonsense. Harry is at least a multi millionaire from his mum. I'm sure Meghan has some money in her own right too. If they were scared, they could have hired their own security instantly. All the celebs have security, it would have been so easy to arrange. They just resented paying for it themselves when other royals have it funded.

I was very much unimpressed by Oprah's style of interviewing. If that is an example of one of America's best interviewers then they have a lot to learn. Perhaps we can send them a job lot of Channel 4 News to study.

Totally unprepared, didn’t do the homework and was very much misinformed. Should have sorted out majority of their problems they said in the interview before they married. Meghan married too quickly to someone of such a high profile.