To think Harry threw Meghan to the lions

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OK apologies its another thread on this but hear me out

So I've watched the interview and I think Harry actually comes off looking much worse and that Meghan is actually suffering because he's a pretty shit partner.

On watching it and if you take what she says at face value:

Why didn't he tell her what it was all about given that she said she didn't know anything about the royals?

Why didn't he warn her what happened to his mother if she was that unaware?

Why didn't he arrange mental health support given he's had a therapist on speed dial for years?

Why didn't he stand up against Kate if she made Meghan cry?

Why have another child if he knows that there won't be any security for Archie?

Why not sort out a realistic plan to support himself before leaving rather than making knee jerk reactions which put his wife and child at risk?

So many questions that actually make Harry look like a pretty shit husband. To me he seems to be the one that is responsible for putting Meghan into the situation she's in now and then to make himself look better throws his family under the bus rather than take responsibility.

YANBU - Harry needs to take some responsibility for Meghan's experiences

YABU - he is not to blame for what happened to her.

I don't understand also why Harry told her about the conversation he's had about Archie's skin tone? Why would you? If someone says something like that about my husband I would protect him from it.

Harry is an idiot. I fail to see how m couldn't have got help when she felt suicidal. Harry had had therapy and a doctor is suicidal.

I believe most of what she said had some elements of truth but was very carefully framed. She knows issues of race and suicide can shut down any other conversations so she used them without giving context. It seems like there was one remark from a member of the family about the baby. That does not make the whole family racist. And you don't snap out of. Major depression so his dud she recover ?

If either of them were smart they should have focused on the press intrusion. I have watched Piers Morgan's campaign of hate towards her. It was awful and really unfair.

I haven't watched it but have seen all the stuff in the papers. I don't have any sympathy for her, would find it hard to believe anything she said. Not because of her race or sex, but because of her (and his) spoilt whinging. I don't know why Netflix etc are paying them so much, what exactly are the experts at besides preaching at us plebs about climate change etc, while living their jet-set life?

I get the feeling neither of them could care less anymore. I think they’ll say anything now. It’s not the last ‘interview’ they’ll do is it.

@ginghamstarfish

I haven't watched it but have seen all the stuff in the papers. I don't have any sympathy for her, would find it hard to believe anything she said. Not because of her race or sex, but because of her (and his) spoilt whinging. I don't know why Netflix etc are paying them so much, what exactly are the experts at besides preaching at us plebs about climate change etc, while living their jet-set life?

You sound jealous

Do I believe something was said to upset H? Yes

Am I confused about when it was said? Yes

Do I think the press were vile towards them? Yes

Should racism be called out? Yes

Am I confused about the timeline of said comments? Yes

Is it ok to raise a serious matter, but refuse to say who said it, when it was said and what was said? No

Is it ok to not state who said it as it “would be damaging to them”? No. Because it’s opened an online frenzy of speculation for multiple rather than accountability for one.

Is it ok that there were small, but multiple, “bendings” of truth in the interview? No

Is it ok to be Pissed off that the palace view this as a private matter? Yes

Is it ok to be pissed of at H for a multitude of reasons, given his lifelong knowledge of the “firm”? IMO, yes

I prefer to reserve judgement based on facts - who/why/where/when. But I don’t think we’ll ever get this information. Which means that we’ll all be arguing for many years to come. Which is bloody frustrating and doesn’t help anyone. How the hell are we supposed to move on and learn from anything if we don’t have actual information?

The production company need to take some responsibility. They should have realised during editing that there were a couple of points that didn’t match up. Guess they didn’t care, due to the millions they were receiving for this.

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@Furries

Yes, this 'interview' raises far more questions than it actually answers

And there are a number of inconsistencies between H&M's individual account of events

Oprah should have been much sharper regarding the facts regarding these 'revelations' and pushed for these

But she never would have done as she's a mate and neighbour to them and clearly was not going to make it awkward for them

It would have been a completely different interview with someone like Jeremy Paxman (or Piers Morgan!) doing the job

But that would obviously never happen

This interview was clearly a platform to air their grievances about their in-laws, and benefit from this (even if not receiving a direct fee)

Every other celeb in America apart from the kardashians as that's there livelihood manages to live a life of complete privacy, they go through divorces and family troubles without people ever knowing about it because its nobodies business, they want a celeb lifestyle then following real celebs examples by maintaining silence on things that's nothing to do with anyone else. I really wish the pair of them would grow up, set out what they stated to do and give us all peace. Pair of middle aged toddlers. The world has enough problems in it without drama over nothing or allegations.

I really wanted to like her, however every person in her life she ends up falling out with, she is the common denominator and I suspect that in time they will split because Harry will realise what he has lost.

They seemed so happy at the wedding and it was like a magical fairytale and I really bought into that but I suspect cracks will start to show down the line. I don’t think this is the end of that story. I am/was interested in them because they were royal, I love the royals but I’m not so interested in them now they have left.

The last straw for me was when she stated that Archie wasn’t made a Prince because of his skin colour, like this was the reason - it clearly wasn’t, protocol dictates that he wouldn’t be a prince until Charles becomes king. She must know this and she has made herself look stupid and also seems like a liar. It is attention seeking and very obviously false. What else is she lying about?

Things like Prince ect for her son she can now forget, she has put her big foot into her big mouth, there is no way Charles will allow a grandson he doesn't see and lives in America become a Prince and archies mother blast his family on TV. Regardless of what we think of Charles he knows full well he has to keep within the publics good graces on order of him staying on the throne, and I do see Charles not only stripping his son of titles, but also his brother who we all know there is no love loss between the two

Oh and if I were an exec at Netflix, I wouldn't be happy with being portrayed as something undesirable they were forced into. Though I'd probably be happy with the boost to revenue from attention.

The more you reduce the situation to simple facts the more poorly Harry comes out.

He had been on a race education course as a result of his own racist acts.

His own mother had died in circumstances wholly related to her relationship with the press - and he blamed the press.

His ex girlfriends refused to marry him to enter the same situation.

He has therapy and is a patron of MH charities.

He meets an exciting woman and marries her quite soon into a long distance relationship. The Queen suggests that they live privately but this is refused in favour of fully launching Meghan into the situation above.

Megan says that she felt suicidal, and that she went to an event with Harry whilst pregnant and feeling suicidal.

What sane husband allows that when there's a clear precedent for careful medical care of pregnant wives? Kate was treated with kid gloves for HG. Why on EARTH would he not take control and stay home on those grounds?

(then there's the question of matters like the balcony scene where Harry told Meghan to face forward and she looked upset)

I think that this is a perfect storm of an unintelligent and emotionally incapable man getting swept off his feet, and a woman who was unprepared for the situation. Those two things fed off each other until it reached the point where Harry was a new parent with no skills to handle the situation he got himself into, and ended up flouncing out of it.

If they had just taken the Queen's advice to ease into it, the racism, press interest etc would have been present still, sure, but in a way far less damaging to them as individuals, and in time they could have done much good.

I keep thinking back to the engagement interview where they indicated M was ready to hit the ground running and H saying M was going to be great in the role. Lots of eyebrows were raised because I think we all think being a royal is bloody difficult. I don’t think Kate did any official duties before her wedding but M started almost immediately. K didn’t make a speech for quite a while and I remember she was bloody nervous. K is now a safe pair of hands for the RF. It all fell to shit for M. M and H will never admit or even consider that jumping right into it was a mistake. It’s everyone else’s fault.
I remember the scene where H told her to face the front on the balcony and she looked upset. I felt sorry for her because I remember occasions when I got it wrong living in a different culture. There may have been other less public occasions where she felt awkward and it’s probably harder to feel in the wrong when you are a mature accomplished woman. However, the Queen tried to provide them with a strong hand to guide them (Sam Cohen) but it apparently wasn’t successful. You can’t blame the Queen for that.

I don't believe that Megan did no research before getting married to the brother of the future king; and I don't believe that Harry, given all his concern about history repeating itself, didn't warn her about what to expect. The rest, I don't know - but I think it's clear she didn't enjoy being a royal and the lack of freedom it involved, and she did get a hard time from the press, so I don't blame her for wanting to leave. But she doesn't need to make such a song and dance about it.

@HyacynthBucket

I do not believe a word of what she said in the interview. Most of it is verifiably untrue (but not the racism allegation which may be something or nothing). She should have done her research about joining the royal family, and he should have told her beforehand what to expect. As for her coming over better than him - no. They both behaved abyssmally, but she is more calculating than him, and it is all part of a act. I had an open mind about her before, but now can see that she is not to be trusted.

Completely agree

I really wanted to like her, however every person in her life she ends up falling out with, she is the common denominator and I suspect that in time they will split because Harry will realise what he has lost

It's like that saying "If the first person you meet after breakfast is a twat, then it's very likely they are a twat - but if everyone you meet for the rest of the day is also a twat, then it's very likely that you are the twat

In Harry & Meghan's borg-conciousness they are the only ones telling their truth, using their voices for good, creating compassionate dialogue (and all the other strangulated, woke, sound bites they crowbar into every conversation). Everyone else is a bully, tyrant, oppressive, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Hmm

@peaceanddove love that saying!

It's so very true, isn't bit?

Yes I don't understand why on earth H would relay any race conversations back to M. Surely you would deal with the offending person immediately and privately to make them see it's totally unacceptable behaviour. If my sister in law told my husband she thought I was ugly or stupid I sure as hell wouldn't want to know, how does it help anyone? Just causes massive trouble and this now in front of the whole world.

Meghan said she went to HR for help , this department deals with employees not the actual family. I’m not surprised they couldn’t help her , isn’t this what their private assistants are for ? Or better still Harry?
It’s painted him in a very bad light that he didn’t help her .

I have been thinking the same and the interview made him look like either he was not very bright or totally out of touch with real life. He actually said he was too embarrassed to get help for her or something similar. I mean you have to give credit to him for his honesty but I have been wondering why no one has pointed some of the fingers at him.

if you watch the video of H&M at the Albert Hall event, H looks relaxed and smiling and M looks gaunt and haggard. I can well believe that she didn't want to be there but it looks to me that H felt he'd achieved something positive in persuading her to come with him.

Her version of having broken down and being cradled by Harry, and only agreeing to go with him because she felt she couldn't be left alone or she would harm herself may well have been 'her truth'. But I think Harry's account would vary. I don't think he believed she was suicidal. I think he thought she was exaggerating and, perhaps?, not for the first time.

H thought persuading her to come with him was the right thing to do, facing her fear, getting over it, not giving into it, was a measure of success. Any other interpretation shows gross negligence on his part - and I don't understand the posts blaming M for not finding help for herself. Surely that was H's role?

It suits their narrative now to present themselves as a couple united against the intransigence of the RF, but I'm willing to bet that Meghan was taking a leaf out of the Diana playbook and knew full well what she was doing in highlighting mental health as justification for her exit plans.

It was unfortunate for her that the fairy-tale wedding MGM spectacular was the best it was going to get, not the first of future glories. Must have been a difficult adjustment for her to make. Queen for a day, then having to slot into the minor role of supporting actress to Kate as the real future queen, gradually edged further and further from centre stage on the balcony line-up.

He is so contradictory. Just watching now - one minute he's saying he was 'trapped' in the institution, and the next he's saying he didn't want to leave

He is so contradictory. Just watching now - one minute he's saying he was 'trapped' in the institution, and the next he's saying he didn't want to leave

Gaunt and haggard?? She looked gorgeous and radiant

I know who looks gaunt and haggard. Kate laying flowers at Clapham Common.