To think Harry threw Meghan to the lions

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OK apologies its another thread on this but hear me out

So I've watched the interview and I think Harry actually comes off looking much worse and that Meghan is actually suffering because he's a pretty shit partner.

On watching it and if you take what she says at face value:

Why didn't he tell her what it was all about given that she said she didn't know anything about the royals?

Why didn't he warn her what happened to his mother if she was that unaware?

Why didn't he arrange mental health support given he's had a therapist on speed dial for years?

Why didn't he stand up against Kate if she made Meghan cry?

Why have another child if he knows that there won't be any security for Archie?

Why not sort out a realistic plan to support himself before leaving rather than making knee jerk reactions which put his wife and child at risk?

So many questions that actually make Harry look like a pretty shit husband. To me he seems to be the one that is responsible for putting Meghan into the situation she's in now and then to make himself look better throws his family under the bus rather than take responsibility.

YANBU - Harry needs to take some responsibility for Meghan's experiences

YABU - he is not to blame for what happened to her.

It can be so difficult admitting it though. She was probably thinking "what have i got to be depressed about? Im beautiful, ive married my handsome prince, we're loaded and having our first baby.....noone will believe me." Which going by this thread, is understandable.

Depression (or any other mental health issue) does funny things to your thought processes.

@Spidey66

It can be so difficult admitting it though. She was probably thinking "what have i got to be depressed about? Im beautiful, ive married my handsome prince, we're loaded and having our first baby.....noone will believe me." Which going by this thread, is understandable.

Depression (or any other mental health issue) does funny things to your thought processes.

Absolutely. You're so right.

Money = therapy. She didn’t have to wait. Or him.

But, the one thing that struck me was him constantly playing with his wedding band - twisting it around and around and on and off and on and off - he is not in a good place and admits as much - he has lost his brother, his father, most of his friends , us is very superficial compared to the U.K. after the interview had finished and the breaks both of them laughing looked really bad - they know full well what they have done. Aged nearly 40 you can’t step back and stop doing your role / job but tell your current employer and parents to keep paying for you. - that doesn’t work!! Neither does we are not going to work for you or do what you want or ask but you have to pay for all our security in a foreign country U.K. police protection carrying guns in the us - that’s a law suit right there!!

@Changeforchangessake
She would have to wait if she found it difficult to acknowledge it and ask for help though. Even though her and Harry were spearheading mental health campaigns doesn't make it easier to admit you need that help yourself though. Like I said, I found it difficult admitting it and asking for help and I was surrounded by mental health professionals all the time at work.

I do get the rest of your post though. I did say earlier I'm not a fan of the RF and think they're an outmoded institution. And I couldn't quite work out why they were saying on the one hand "we want out" but want all the benefits at the same time. It's like leaving a job but wanting to keep the flash company car, but on a larger scale.

But she herself said she told Harry she felt suicidal but they then decided to go to the evening event anyway and she cried all the way through. There is no excuse for him not getting help for her. They had the money and the ability to access it. It wasn't the case that she couldn't speak out

It can be so difficult admitting it though. She was probably thinking "what have i got to be depressed about?
She had plenty to be depressed about, I'm finding it strange people doubt her MH considering her Father's tricks, her half estranged Dsis, her new in-laws sniggering during her vows.
Wonder why her Father didn't work very hard for Samantha.
He knew Meghan was a star from a DC his investment.

@JustLyra However, she said they were also told that changes were going to be made so he doesn’t become titled when Charles becomes King either.

Can you give me a rough idea of when she actually said that in the interview: like a quarter of the way into it, halfway through the interview, towards the end, etc, please?

I asked someone the same thing on it on another thread, but the thread was deleted before I found out if I received a response.

@NeedanIdea

she had no idea of how to get help for her mental health. Really? Really, Meghan?

Seriously? She was living in a foreign country in effectively a goldfish bowl situation. The Palace stopped her from getting help. She said she was under their control and couldn't even go out to meet a friend for lunch on her own. Even if she'd googled Drs they wouldn't have let her go. And they refused to get her help. And Harry obviously did not help much.

When you're depressed and suicidal you're not exactly in a practical frame of mind, are you? 'Ooh I'll just pop by Harley Street to sort out my wee depression problem and then I'll go shopping and buy a nice frock'.

Such a mean spirited post, nit-picking about someone's depression and mental state. I hope you don't take care of anyone.

FFS Harry & Megan are not criminals they don't deserve this much suspicion over every minor detail, it's pathetic.

So, she was living in a foreign country, and? Presumably she's heard of Google? I was on holiday in Seville and got conjunctivitis, and needed a doctor. Literally 30 seconds on Google and I had an appointment booked. And how, exactly, would palace officials have stopped her visiting a therapist? Hand cuffed her to a radiator? Harry has openly said that he's had loads of therapy for years, no palace official has stopped him accessing mental health support, clearly.

I am certainly not trivialising mental health. I suffered severe PND and know what despair feels like. If that's how Meghan felt, then my heart goes out to her. But I still don't buy the narrative that she was forcibly stopped from accessing any mental health support. Discrete enquiries could, and should, have been made.

I don't imagine she was physically prevented from getting treatment, but I can imagine a lot of pressure would have been put on her to avoid getting any treatment that could be picked up on by the press and turned into a big news story.

She may have been prevented from/advised not to go to lunch on one occasion but that shouldn't be interpreted as her being held prisoner. I've seen her out and about in London. With Harry and with friends.

Although the UK and USA are English speaking they are very different cultures. Neither of them had experienced everyday life in the other's country. The RF is an archaic institution and Meghan a very modern woman. She was going 'to hit the ground running'. Maybe she found it difficult and isolating being expected to live under Palace rules. But unlike Camilla who has a family home to escape to with her dcs or Kate who has parents who are hands on with the dcs and siblings Meghan had no one.

I don't think with Meghan's apparent self confidence it would have occurred to anyone that she was suffering mental health issues. By moving away Harry has supported her. I doubt that Charles will alter the law allowing his gcs to all be titled Prince or Princess. I think it's more likely to be William with his gc. Will Charles use his influence or power to have his gc educated in the UK?

Ever since she was a teenager with showbiz ambitions, Meghan's whole life would have been to raise her profile, blog on social media, tell the press where she would be, network, network, network. She emailed Morgan to fix up the pub date, when she was in London.

Suddenly, practically overnight, all this was a huge NO NO. There was a story about her being offended when she suggested a joint shopping trip and was turned down, only to hear that Kate had then gone on her own. It's obvious why. One duchess can slip out incognito and buy a few things on Kensington High St. Two duchesses? Impossible.

I don't know if she was being deliberately obtuse about the lunch with girlfriends. (Why didn't she invite them to KP?) Or genuinely didn't understand the difference between public and private when you're a Royal and it's v definitely not a competition to get the most press coverage.

There's still an element of showing off. V un-British, v non-U. The segment in the interview where she made a thing of being able to ring the Queen, 'just to check in and ask about Prince Philip'. Because that's what she'd have done with her own dgm. The private jets, the transatlantic baby shower, the A list C'lebs at the wedding, the Montecito estate. It's understandable. You've come a long way, baby. But the m.o. that got you there is the very same as will result in being turfed out. And there goes your USP. Without it, Meghan is a fading ingenue with a future of playing heart-throb's mothers on daytime soaps. Harry is just another in the sequence of troubled spares to the heir, looking for a role to give his life meaning. I'm sad about that because he'd really come into his own with Invictus.

In 3 years' time? The monarchy has lasted 1200 years. M & H are bit-players compared with the Abdication, Margaret's shenanigans, even Andrew's dubious choice of friends and whatever favours they did for him in return.

Even if the palace discouraged her seeking therapy, she was still a grown woman of the world with access to unlimited funds. They managed to keep the circumstances of Archie's birth secret from the press. They also managed to keep the fact they were married by the Archbishop of Canterbury, 3 days before their showbiz wedding, secret from the press, for years?

Smuggling an anonymous looking therapist into Nottingham Cottage would have been a doddle in comparison, surely?

Spidey66 makes some great comments about MH and why it’s not as easy as googling a Harley street psychiatrist. I just think it’s not that long since the media navel gazing after poor Caroline flack died and people are still doubting the mental health crisis of the most trolled woman on the planet.

I actually think she said it herself, why the obsession with taking sides or making people heroes and villains?

I think their feelings are real, there’s surely a big back story especially for Harry. I don’t doubt the racism or mh claims, but to accuse an unnamed person of unnamed racist behaviour/comments kind of tars everyone with the ambiguity. I also wonder if the claims that MM was so popular in Australia tour and jealousy is the reason for the change of narrative, might not be the whole truth either, in light of the new bullying claims. If they want their truth to be heard, they have to accept that other human beings who worked hard for them, may want to air theirs.

It’s possible she/they were difficult to work with and for, but that doesn’t mean for a moment that she deserved racism, bullying or being lied about in the press. If the palace left them exposed to this as a smoke screen to protect the image of William and downplay Andrew’s controversy then I think their anger is justified.

So I’m conflicted and refuse to be further informed on the matter by the same press which caused much of this in the first place. I just hope they can sort it out.

I don't doubt her MH issues, in fact that's the only thing she spoke about that seems genuine to me tbh. When she said she was refused treatment though, I think what she meant was she was advised to go about it discretely to avoid even more press intrusion. Not the same thing but she seems to do this a lot, as in she doesn't like compromising, so she explains it to others as refusal.

She has a DH problem IMO, and she's very LA, which is the polar opposite of how the RF operates. She entered the RF, she was given the choice to be a working Royal or not, maybe she didn't realize what that meant, but she/they WERE given options. Options that would have made their lives much less stressful. Harry should have guided her through all this.

I am generally sympathetic to H and M in this situation but I did think this cartoon was darkly hilarious twitter.com/cathywilcox1/status/1370121574615977985?s=21

This too

The new name in our household is Moaning Myrtle (Harry Potter)

@thereisonlyoneofme

The new name in our household is Moaning Myrtle (Harry Potter)

Weird that your household has made up a name

[quote Spidey66]@Changeforchangessake
She would have to wait if she found it difficult to acknowledge it and ask for help though. Even though her and Harry were spearheading mental health campaigns doesn't make it easier to admit you need that help yourself though. Like I said, I found it difficult admitting it and asking for help and I was surrounded by mental health professionals all the time at work.

I do get the rest of your post though. I did say earlier I'm not a fan of the RF and think they're an outmoded institution. And I couldn't quite work out why they were saying on the one hand "we want out" but want all the benefits at the same time. It's like leaving a job but wanting to keep the flash company car, but on a larger scale.[/quote]
I was referring to the bit where she said she needed help and told Harry she needed help - after that point no excuse - both of them only needed to phone their GP not the palace - Harry said before he met Meghan - in his interview with wills and Kate that he has been having therapy for years - surely he just picked the phone up and could get back in touch with that therapist. I can’t see how she was refused therapy when Harry said he had been having it for years??

It is just not plausible that she and H couldn’t have got her the help she needed.
I read today that Omid Scobie released an email she sent in Jan 2020 asking KP to correct the making Kate cry story. Why was she so hung up on it? Families fall out at weddings. I don’t think the public gave it too much thought at the time.

I wonder if the issue was around the fact that Meghan said she contacted HR and target said they couldn't help as she wasn't an employee. That might well have been where the misunderstanding/mixed message occurred.
Was she asking the wrong people?
And why didn't Harry point her in the direction of the 'right' people?

You do have a point.
He said something glib about not really noticing when she said how she was suffering at first. That jarred a but at least he owns it.

@Jbon9087

I don't think ANY of us could be prepared enough for what came her way and we are born and bred here and saw the Diana story play out. Let alone an American with their arms length coverage of the UK.

Unless you've seen American TV you wouldn't believe how little coverage they have of anything outside of the US. So if people here think they think about the RF maybe 5% that's like 4% too much!

I think he saw her a TV person so used to cameras, which she was, and they both thought about it from the perspective of being ok with having cameras chucked in your face. Which she was.

What she wasn't prepared for was the stalking from Piers Morgan and the DM and the racist attacks from everyone incl the BBC who called her baby a monkey.

As he admits he never thought about / couldn't see the racism until it hit him through her and by then it was too late. Even his mother didn't go through that!

Remember the British media have done a great job of making us think they've learned from Diana. Then when M came along we saw just how racist, rancid and corrupt they are when the gloves off. Again.

It was Danny Baker who tweeted Archie as a chimp. He was sacked straight away. Apparently Meghan was a huge fan of Diana and had read her book so I call foul at not knowing what to expect. I wonder if she underestimated her ability to deal with it🤔

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