To think Harry threw Meghan to the lions

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OK apologies its another thread on this but hear me out

So I've watched the interview and I think Harry actually comes off looking much worse and that Meghan is actually suffering because he's a pretty shit partner.

On watching it and if you take what she says at face value:

Why didn't he tell her what it was all about given that she said she didn't know anything about the royals?

Why didn't he warn her what happened to his mother if she was that unaware?

Why didn't he arrange mental health support given he's had a therapist on speed dial for years?

Why didn't he stand up against Kate if she made Meghan cry?

Why have another child if he knows that there won't be any security for Archie?

Why not sort out a realistic plan to support himself before leaving rather than making knee jerk reactions which put his wife and child at risk?

So many questions that actually make Harry look like a pretty shit husband. To me he seems to be the one that is responsible for putting Meghan into the situation she's in now and then to make himself look better throws his family under the bus rather than take responsibility.

YANBU - Harry needs to take some responsibility for Meghan's experiences

YABU - he is not to blame for what happened to her.

If by lions you mean you guys, no it's not Harry's fault but yes the Meghan haters are INSANE

@SeldomFollowedIt

Disgusting views because I don’t believe everything MM says? Get a grip dear.

Disgusting views because you say that someone has made up being suicidal.

There's a fundamental culture clash. I don't think Meghan understands that the Monarch is part of our system of government. He/she is the executive power and the PM acts as her proxy so long as they hold the confidence of Parliament, the legislature.

As such she has to be apolitical and incorruptible. That means she doesn't express political opinions or accept favours. This applies to the whole family. So Meghan's public disapproval of Trump and wanting to keep freebies from Givenchy would both be against the rules, tho' perfectly acceptable for a celebrity in her own country.

I can imagine that this caused a lot of difficulty for her advisers and led to Meghan feeling micromanaged/under constant surveillance in her dealings with the outside world. The Palace staff tried to advise her but she didn't like their advice. Even worse when they tried to use Kate to 'have a word' and set her straight.

M wasn't coming from some backwater or where English was her second language or where she was a child?

She can read? yes? She can phone the Samaritans?

What about victims of modern slavery or asylum seekers who make something of themselves. Stupid woman.

@DrManhattan

Team Queen. Just thought I would get that in before it all gets removed.

Whilst I cant really make my mind up as to whether H&M were lying or not, as it seems such a messy situatio, I do think the Queen has come out of this as actually rather nice.

MM and Harry had only nice things to say and there are accounts of the Queen actually caring. The Queen is the only good thing about the Royal Family imo

This thread and all the others just demonstrate how sexist and horrible women can be about other women

This nails the obsession on Megan on MN to a tee. Women just want to bitch about another woman. MM is an obvious target because a) she's black b) she married "our" prince, and c) she's very beautiful. Claws out!

You are the ones who are accusing all women on Mumsnet of being basic bitches. Not able to have independent thoughts or opinions on anything based on anything other than race, marrying a prince and how pretty someone is. Sounds like you're the ones reducing women to stereotypical fairy tale characters. Not very progressive, is it, @NeedanIdea?

@Beseigedbykillersquirrels Just saying what I see.

@NeedanIdea - oh but when other women write what they see in Meghan they are racist, annoyed at her for marrying a prince and jealous of her being beautiful? Sure.

Women just want to bitch about another woman

Er no, that's not the case.

I was expressing an opinion, that based on listening to the entire 2 hours of chat, I concluded that a lot of what was being said by both H&M sounded like bollocks

Nothing to do with race, marrying a prince or "being beautiful"

Just commenting on an over privileged, multi-millionaire, tone deaf couple

I feel sad that it has come to this. I think they're a mismatch and one of them was always going to lose out as she's American and he's British. You can't live in both countries so one of them was always going to be cut off from friends and family. First it was Meghan coming to Britain. Now it's Harry in America. Everything happened so fast. They got married in the honeymoon period. I would imagine the strain on that marriage is huge now because they both seem fragile. They've gone through a lot in a short space of time. When I had my children I was very vulnerable and emotional. It's a massive shock and kills the romance no matter who you are or how much money you have. I feel sorry for them now. They must be feeling the pressure.

@NeedanIdea

This thread and all the others just demonstrate how sexist and horrible women can be about other women

This nails the obsession on Megan on MN to a tee. Women just want to bitch about another woman. MM is an obvious target because a) she's black b) she married "our" prince, and c) she's very beautiful. Claws out!

Yep

Meghan is an actress, she is just doing her thing, giving interviews, raising her profile, it's all grist to the mill. So her inlaws don't like her? Big whoop and not unusual, judging by many who post on here. Are the RF racist, scheming, nasty? Maybe, maybe not. But they are Harry's family, so he should either deal with whatever the issues are, or he should piss off, like millions of other people around the world who don't get on with their family do. Exposing it all to the world is disgusting imo.

I think Meghan wanted to be able to tell people that the men in grey suits and the palace HR department didn't help with her mental health issues. The fact they're not qualified or trained to provide mental health support is irrelevant. Meghan was setting them up to fail.

She was fabulously wealthy, one of the most famous women in the world, living in one of the biggest cities in the world - and she had no idea of how to get help for her mental health. Really? Really, Meghan?

You were living a stone's throw from Harley Street, with its biggest concentration of private therapists, psychologists, psychiatrist and doctors in the UK. But, somehow you didn't browse Google to find out what facilities were on offer to you? You had married into the British royal family FFS, you could have had a consultant psychiatrist in your living room within the hour. The rest of the population have to wait months/years to access any kind of mental health support.

@Deadringer

Meghan is an actress, she is just doing her thing, giving interviews, raising her profile, it's all grist to the mill. So her inlaws don't like her? Big whoop and not unusual, judging by many who post on here. Are the RF racist, scheming, nasty? Maybe, maybe not. But they are Harry's family, so he should either deal with whatever the issues are, or he should piss off, like millions of other people around the world who don't get on with their family do. Exposing it all to the world is disgusting imo.

Im sick of seeing that she is an actress. She's hardly Helen mirren. Do we just never believe any actress again? Should be just disband the whole me too movement?

Come on OP. She’s hardly been living under a rock all these years.

@x2boys

Um I know plenty of people who work in mental health who are reluctant to get help for their own mental health ,so I'm not sure how her mum being a social worker means it's not true

Sorry I meant to respond to this earlier. This x100000

I'm a mental health nurse. I've been in nursing since 1986, when I started as a HCA, before training in 1990.

I suffered from depression for a number of years. It took me ages to seek help. I used to stand at tube stations fantasizing about jumping. I liked both wet days cos the rain hid the fact I was crying. Sunny days were good too, cos sunglasses hid the fact my eyes were red. I had overwhelming hopelessness. Obviously I knew I was depressed but felt stupid admitting it. I'm a mental health nurse, I'm supposed to help others with their mental health, not ask for help myself.

I never, ever told my mum, though I had a good relationship with her, and unlike MMs mum she was only a few miles ago. At the time, she was being treated for cancer, eventually dying of it. She was fighting to stay alive, I just wanted to die. How could I tell her that. My husband knew, but not the extent of it until later. Very, very few people knew about my dark thoughts. Eventually I went to my GP was put on anti depressants (which I stayed on for 10 years) and had CBT.

If someone voices suicidal thoughts, you have to take a thorough history. How long have you been depressed? Have you attempted suicide before? Tried to harm yourself? What have you thought of doing? Do you have access to whatever needed to harm yourself? Is there anything that stops you....religious beliefs, thoughts of your kids, hopes for the future? Do you misuse drugs or alcohol? The vast majority of those with suicidal thought s have no intention of carrying them out, but it doesn't mean the thoughts ain't there. If anyone got a full history from MMs interview, good on them.

Btw, I gave no interest in the RF whatsoever. Im hardly a fan. I usually turn the page when there's something in the papers about them. I just don't like the idea that someone doesn't believe someone has suicidal thoughts, which are actually much more common than you think, on the strength of what was said about it during the Oprah interview. My own pov is she probably did have suicidal thoughts but had no plan or intent to act on them and was probably low risk of doing anything. Doesn't mean the thoughts aint horrible. They are.

Agree spidey66 I'm not a mental health nurse now but I was for over 20 years and I know just how much some people working in mental health services suffer with their own mental health,and ime mental health trusts are hardly supportive of their own staff

Look at how many of them self medicate with alcohol for a start!

Would people say these sorts of things about Caroline Flack? Or that Welsh footballer (I think his name was Gary Speed). 'Oh they're no t having suicidal thoughts' even if they had?

People working in mental health need to be very, very careful about these things, otherwise you could have a death on your hands and end up in front of a coroner explaining "Oh they said they were suicidal, but I didn't ask any more, I just didn't believe them. " it ain't going to cut it with a coroner, the NHS Trust you work for, or your professional body.

@Spidey66

Look at how many of them self medicate with alcohol for a start!

Would people say these sorts of things about Caroline Flack? Or that Welsh footballer (I think his name was Gary Speed). 'Oh they're no t having suicidal thoughts' even if they had?

People working in mental health need to be very, very careful about these things, otherwise you could have a death on your hands and end up in front of a coroner explaining "Oh they said they were suicidal, but I didn't ask any more, I just didn't believe them. " it ain't going to cut it with a coroner, the NHS Trust you work for, or your professional body.

No one remotely human should be saying it.

she had no idea of how to get help for her mental health. Really? Really, Meghan?

Seriously? She was living in a foreign country in effectively a goldfish bowl situation. The Palace stopped her from getting help. She said she was under their control and couldn't even go out to meet a friend for lunch on her own. Even if she'd googled Drs they wouldn't have let her go. And they refused to get her help. And Harry obviously did not help much.

When you're depressed and suicidal you're not exactly in a practical frame of mind, are you? 'Ooh I'll just pop by Harley Street to sort out my wee depression problem and then I'll go shopping and buy a nice frock'.

Such a mean spirited post, nit-picking about someone's depression and mental state. I hope you don't take care of anyone.

FFS Harry & Megan are not criminals they don't deserve this much suspicion over every minor detail, it's pathetic.

@RootyT00t
I agree with you totally..im just majorly pissed off there are people on this thread who say they work in mental health saying it.

[quote Spidey66]@RootyT00t
I agree with you totally..im just majorly pissed off there are people on this thread who say they work in mental health saying it.[/quote]
I particularly enjoyed the one who said she made it up and then said it's OK that I work in mental health cause I don't say it at work.

If Meghan couldn't get help for her mental health when she and her husband were heading up a mental health initiative, he was already seeing a therapist, and they had unlimited funds, then there was something seriously wrong. Her husband could have made this happen for her. It wasn't anyone else's responsibility. They need to stop acting as victims when there are people in the UK desperately in need of help and have no access to it.