Drag is the Black & White minstrel-ism of today

[Taoneusa]

How long before the appropriation and exploitation is recognised more fully ?

B&W minstrels were cliched, cartoonish, and “for entertainment”, as well, weren’t they.

I've never read something so ridiculous. I'm suffering badly from insomnia right now but I did have a laugh... I'm a bisexual feminist (not that that should matter) but I love drag, I have paid to see many Queens both in the UK and abroad and had a bloody great time. Comparing it to the racist junk is offensive.

@Firstbellini

I don’t believe in white privilege or male privilege either. Many people don’t find them helpful concepts for understanding or explaining how sex and race discrimination work.

The amount of time people spend arguing that the concept of white privilege is essential to understanding racism suggests they are more bothered about promoting their ideology than they are about anti-racism.

It’s interesting, for me it’s the opposite.

The more people spend being offended by words like “white privileges” and explaining why they think it’s unacceptable or doesn’t exist, the more it suggest they care more about their own personal feelings and being offended on a racial matter than they do denouncing racism and being anti-racist.

I don't have a blind spot just a different opinion.

I mean that you literally don't seem to grasp why other people find the concept of privilege important or useful. That's why it's a blind spot, while also being a different opinion.

I hate drag it has always made me uncomfortable.

White privileged exists - it is the privilege I have everyday of not expecting my children especially my son to be pulled over and searched by the police, to suffer taunts etc. Also at school they didn't need to put on an "act" like some of my black pupils did to protect themselves. They also have class privilege in nice middle class accents that are more likely to get a warning if they are pulled over.
My son has male privilege in not being sexually harassed, He also is less likely to be overlooked in meetings and talked over. My daughters don't conform to stereotypical dress but if they want to "dress up" are looking kelt to be less comfortable than my son.
Never mind all the subtler forms of discrimination.

I don’t believe in white privilege or male privilege either

They exist whether you believe in them or not.

It's ok AtSwimTwoBerts - just don't believe in FirstBellini

Way ahead of you...I don't believe most MN'ers are real actual people...!

White and black privilage exists.
HTH

Some races have experienced exactly the same racism as Black people, it doesn't have to have anything to do with skin colour, although obviously it can if you are Black.
However, if anyone wants to do their homework they will find that for over a thousand years Romany gypsies have been treated just as bad as Black people, including 500 years of slavery, by people with the same white skin colour as ourselves.
We had thousands killed in concentration camps, and branded with irons then hanged by past Kings and Queens in this country.

Way ahead of you...I don't believe most MN'ers are real actual people...!

That'd explain a lot

Some races have experienced exactly the same racism as Black people, it doesn't have to have anything to do with skin colour, although obviously it can if you are Black.

Rocks and pebbles just crashing about between your ears

No, are they for you.

Wow. Some stunning examples of ‘white fragility’ on this thread.

White privilege exists, and white people being offended by the concept it is the absolute pinnacle of white fragility.

White privilege and male privilege don’t mean you are privileged. It means any of the difficulties in your life have been further exacerbated by your skin colour / sex.

I say this as a white middle class women, who absolutely has benefited from white privilege, and can clearly see it because I’m not ignorant.

And who is becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the concept of drag for the many reasons outlined on this thread. My lovely DB is gay and I know some of his good friends love the scene. I get it, and know how important it is to them. But yes, it is increasingly making me feel uncomfortable.

• haven’t been further exacerbated by...

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I don't have a blind spot just a different opinion.

I mean that you literally don't seem to grasp why other people find the concept of privilege important or useful. That's why it's a blind spot, while also being a different opinion.

Not true.

I get why other people feel like that.

I just don't. That's allowed.

[quote cinammonbuns]@RootyT00t well according to your absolutely stupid logic then I’m offended by the term ‘offended’ so pèse stop saying it as it offends it. I love how you didn’t respond to the comment about sexism as it conforms how utterly incoherent your logic is. Anyway. White privileged still exists whether you admit it or not (and you did admit it when you said your life would be d’offenser if you were black.[/quote]
I did respond to the comment about sexism. Thanks for the input thougn.

Of course my life would be different if I was black.

It would be different if I was anything other than what I am.

@Linning, you didn't use the word but you said I don't like POC having an opinion. I'm pretty sure that would be a racist thing to do.

@Linning It won't let me quite you but in response to your post that we care about our feelings than being anti racist, not the case.

Our own opinion on white privilege have absolutely jack squiff to do with our opinion on racism.

I don't need to agree with you blindly to prove I'm anti racist.

@Five67Eight

Wow. Some stunning examples of ‘white fragility’ on this thread.

White privilege exists, and white people being offended by the concept it is the absolute pinnacle of white fragility.

White privilege and male privilege don’t mean you are privileged. It means any of the difficulties in your life have been further exacerbated by your skin colour / sex.

I say this as a white middle class women, who absolutely has benefited from white privilege, and can clearly see it because I’m not ignorant.

And who is becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the concept of drag for the many reasons outlined on this thread. My lovely DB is gay and I know some of his good friends love the scene. I get it, and know how important it is to them. But yes, it is increasingly making me feel uncomfortable.

White middle class person, never experiencing racism, can't argue white privilage, or indeed privilage of any other sort. Good for you, but this doesn't apply to other white races. What was that about not being ignorant.

@Five67Eight

Wow. Some stunning examples of ‘white fragility’ on this thread.

White privilege exists, and white people being offended by the concept it is the absolute pinnacle of white fragility.

White privilege and male privilege don’t mean you are privileged. It means any of the difficulties in your life have been further exacerbated by your skin colour / sex.

I say this as a white middle class women, who absolutely has benefited from white privilege, and can clearly see it because I’m not ignorant.

And who is becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the concept of drag for the many reasons outlined on this thread. My lovely DB is gay and I know some of his good friends love the scene. I get it, and know how important it is to them. But yes, it is increasingly making me feel uncomfortable.

White fragility is along with white privelege another offensive statement.

It is a statement which assumes something
or judges or is negative about a person based on the colour of their skin.

Remind me what racism is again?

White fragility is along with white privelege another offensive statement.

How is it?
Seriously?
I mean, how is it offending me?
White privilege is a fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or stay in denial or whatever.
I'm not offended by white fragility either.
It's just another phrase.
Which does describe some of the comments on here pretty accurately!

White middle class person, never experiencing racism, can't argue white privilage, or indeed privilage of any other sort.
Good for you, but this doesn't apply to other white races.
What was that about not being ignorant.

What are you talking about? Of course I can argue it. Anyone with functioning eyes, ears and a brain can.

@Mockolate

White fragility is along with white privelege another offensive statement.

How is it?
Seriously?
I mean, how is it offending me?
White privilege is a fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or stay in denial or whatever.
I'm not offended by white fragility either.
It's just another phrase.
Which does describe some of the comments on here pretty accurately!

But if you want accuracy the term white privilage is racist. It's claiming all white people are privialged because they have not experienced the same issues and racism as all Black people, and that's incorrect. For some races it's exactly the same as it was in the 60's for Black people, but it's ignored as racism and justified. No I do not know racism from the eyes of a Black person, nor them from I. The term just creates further divides and does nothing to fight racism at all. People don't like the term BAME and I can see why, because it lumps us all together and few people know the races it covers. However, even though our skin might be a different colour, it's the racism that needs to be tackled whatever the race experiencing it. Our rights have slowly been eroded away, our culture and heritage. the hatred and accepted racism from society, it's horrible.

The term just creates further divides and does nothing to fight racism at all.

Surely to fight racism you have to acknowledge the fact there is white privilege in the first place, and to understand that white fragility is actually a thing, regardless of whether you take offence at the terms or not.
What, should black people just never mention it, in case someone white takes offence?
Nothing to see here, move along, you're just creating tensions by mentioning it in the first place?
How does that help anybody?
Maybe take a look why you're so offended by the terms?

Not at all, the intent is right but unfortunate terminology.
A post further up described how a person would like to feel without racism. I was nodding and agreeing, I sympathise because even experienced from someone with a different skin colour the intent was the same.
I feel as though if I agreed with the poster, I'd be called white privilaged
and not believed that I know what particular thoughts you have to go through not just fighting racism but protecting our families and homes. Hoping our children will gain an education even though 97% report bullying. It's endless and I've had enough, the stories I read and see daily are heart breaking. Our government, I don't know how they can sleep at night, all to gain votes because society hate us and it's a point for them.
So, no I don't accept that because my skin is white I'm privilaged because I don't understand or experience racism.
It has to stop, we need to fight it together, not label people.