AIBU to think these lgbt history resources should not be in school

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Resources produced by The Proud Trust and Stonewall for LGBT history month do the following, according to ssauk:

•	Teach children that they can be born into the wrong body or have a boy ‘inside’ and girl body outside (or vice versa).
•	Teach children that their parents and other trusted adults can be wrong about something as fundamental as the sex of a child – whether they are a boy or a girl.
•	Teach a belief held by a minority of people as if it were a fact.
•	Teach an incorrect and harmful definition of sexual orientation, which is likely to harm lesbian and gay (or those who would grow up to be) children the most.
•	Groom children into campaigning for things which are contrary to their rights under the Equality Act 2010 and to their safety. This will especially impact girls.
•	Misrepresent the struggle that LGB people have experienced to gain equal marriage.

Surely schools should only use materials which are compliant with the latest DfE RSE guidance and safeguarding protocols. These resources are terrible.

More info and links to resoursss here: https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/02/23/lgbt-history-month-school-packs

@ruruvision well said.

@ruruvision

Upsetting to see classic MN anti trans sentiment seeping across multiple boards now, but really heartened to see challenges too from numerous posters So much foaming bigotry masquerading as 'protecting children', and patronising dismissals.

Its sad isn’t it, yet sadly not surprising on MN.

Everyone is entitled to their view, we live in a free country . If people put their across in a non confrontation, non aggressive manner there can be discussion, but this cuts both ways. Both sides have to respect each other's right to have a view - they f do not have to agree.

YABU. And I miss the “good old days” when the “gender critical” threads were confined to one board.

Stonewall are a very reputable organisation and personally I would trust

It used to be, when it was a gay rights lobby group.

@BarbaraofKent her "hole" is better than mine after children.

Sorry, can we just go back to this?

Her hole is better than yours? In what way?

Are you doing that misogynistic thing where you value a vagina by how nice and tight it is and how nice it would feel for a man to put his penis into?

Grim.

Stonewall are a very reputable organisation and personally I would trust, having seen much of their material, any material that they put into schools

😂😂😂

This Stonewall? The Stonewall that are actively campaigning for single sex exemptions to be removed from the Equality Act, so that women lose access to single sex spaces?

Upsetting to see classic MN anti trans sentiment seeping across multiple boards now, but really heartened to see challenges too from numerous posters

Yes, well it's nice to move on #nodebate.

That should say its nice to move on from #nodebate.

Why are some people trying to send threads like this to the feminism forum? If you don’t like the subject discussed you do not need to post here. The fact that the rights of women and girls are being removed by organisations such as Stonewall through lobbying tactics is of profound concern to most women here. To pretend that the affirmation model has not harmed many children, especially teenage girls is entirely due to pressure from these groups. Nobody is saying that children should not be taught about tolerance towards diversity, but it is downright dangerous to peddle lies to children and teenagers. Strange that we hear nothing about the bullying of lesbians, children with disabilities, race or poor children. It is all about the T and that is why we are objecting.

Are you doing that misogynistic thing where you value a vagina by how nice and tight it is and how nice it would feel for a man to put his penis into?

Seems to be yep. Any old hole will do, as long as it's tight enough.

Stonewall are a very reputable organisation and personally I would trust, having seen much of their material, any material that they put into schools

Even the government doesn't agree with you on this one anymore.

I'll admit that I haven't RTFT but I teach history and think this is awful. So much of it has absolutely nothing to do with history at all and is blatantly ideological. Why is school PE relevant at all, other than for agenda-pushing reasons?

I'm also asexual. I think that it'd be a good idea if sex education for teenagers included some mention that there are some people who never experience sexual attraction and that's okay. But telling primary school children? They don't need to be taught about sexual attraction at all. I can absolutely see how it'd confuse them - they haven't experienced attraction because they're children! It doesn't need a label.

This trend for asexual people to consider themselves oppressed is bizarre anyway. It's uncomfortable when your well-meaning relative asks why you aren't married yet. It's not oppression.

It's awful that children have been taught this as fact for a few years now. Thankfully, the DoE have woken up to it (purely due to pressure from the young people it has damaged).

Children trust their teachers to be truthful. That so many have been taught you can be born in the wrong body is so damaging. We have a generation believing this. That if you are a girl who likes stereotypically 'boys' things, you are actually a boy. And vice versa. That boys should be in girls sports because of a 'feeling' and to say otherwise I'd to obliterate that boy. That girls have to ignore their fears and concerns and say yes to anything the boy wants (if he's 'trans', how we negative the impact on the girls). Be Kind!!!!

The ones who have been damaged the most are autistic, traumatised girls who would probably normally 'just' be a lesbian. I've seen this in my work. It's damaging to them mentally and physically. They are collateral damage of this belief system/ propaganda. In the US it is a multi-million dollar industry. This is being pushed on our children.

It's the absolute polar opposite of accepting gay people for who they are...

@abstractprojection it's not a list of claims. It's a critique of school resources. If you look at the parents pack ssauk produced you will see it's not just these two resources that present a problem.

And those asking to keep this to the feminist board - why? This is about safeguarding and adhering to government guidelines. Why is that a feminist issue?

Stonewall has an agenda and it does not include protecting safeguards for women and girls. Quite the opposite. The proud trust are soaked in queer theory. Think school children should play a version of an adult sex game involving a dice and body parts as part of sex education.

Look at this to see what else is in schools that shouldn't be. .

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Parents-Guide-to-external-PSHE-RSE-providers.pdf

Younger children need protecting from this propoganda - they aren't old enough to understand it's a view and believe teachers whatever they tell them. Older teenagers need to be protected as the information is presented in a way that does not allow critical questioning - they cannot have open discussions within a classroom. Our children need to be protected from propaganda which can do lasting damage

@BarbaraofKent in the way it looks haha. I wasn't comparing hers to yours don't worry. Can't comment on tightness, and didn't actually originally. It was more of a response to you saying to can't make a vagina. But yes, yes you can. But good job on twisting that 👍.

@twelly

Teaching children to respect everyone is not the same as using these resources. Of course we want children to treat anyone they meet with respect- but that does not mean they need to know about their lifestyle and choices.

Yikes!

'Don't share your scary non-cis non-hetero ideas with kids'... in case of what? They become accepting, non-judgmental adults? The horror.

Older teenagers need to be protected as the information is presented in a way that does not allow critical questioning - they cannot have open discussions within a classroom.

Yes, the 'wrong body' stuff is not backed up by science in any credible way at all, so teaching it is akin to teaching religion. And therefore must be subject to critical questioning and discussion.

The fact that this stuff must not be questioned is very concerning.

@ruruvision

Upsetting to see classic MN anti trans sentiment seeping across multiple boards now, but really heartened to see challenges too from numerous posters So much foaming bigotry masquerading as 'protecting children', and patronising dismissals.

Agreed. I'm actually surprised and pleased at the amount of pushback.

But but but! Whose wording is this? It’s clearly not stonewall’s language, to talk about “grooming” and everything else, so I’m taking a pinch of salt before I panic about the moral consequences, seeing as whoever has authored this “paraphrased” list has their own manifesto and agenda. Let’s be scrupulous when we consider BOTH sides of this debate.

her "hole" is better than mine after children

Ugh. I think this is one of the grimmest things I have ever read on MN @Jumpers268

Misogynistic rubbish.

[quote Jumpers268]@BarbaraofKent in the way it looks haha. I wasn't comparing hers to yours don't worry. Can't comment on tightness, and didn't actually originally. It was more of a response to you saying to can't make a vagina. But yes, yes you can. But good job on twisting that 👍.[/quote]
Well, I suppose it depends on how you define a vagina.

If you define it a part of female anatomy, which is self lubricating, self cleaning, allows for menstrual blood to flow out and is able to stretch a lot in order to accommodate another human being if necessary, then no, you cannot make a vagina on a male.

If you define it as a cavity fashioned from male body parts, that needs dilating to stop it healing over, but 'looks nice', then yes I guess you can make a vagina on a male.

I am honestly glad that your friend is happy and more comfortable presenting in this way, and that it has eased their gender dysphoria. I just don't believe that humans can change sex or that men can become women, and I don't think that is 'bigotry'.