To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

And yes totally agree with Abraxan - this is a pretty theoretical discussion. Particularly given that the committee investigating them isn’t due to report for months, and then there would likely have to be secondary legislation and implementation.

So if the risk is soooo low, let the unvaccinated who want to go in too.

But the risk is only lower if all the patrons are vaccinated. That’s rather the point. The vaccine protects the vaccinated individuals and almost certainly massively reduces the risk of transmission to others.

Not being vaccinated conveys none of those benefits. So letting in unvaccinated people without other mitigations like distancing or capacity limits (which put the financial burden on the business) would directly result in the risk no longer being ‘soooo low’.

This is not a particularly tricky concept.

Perhaps of interest...

Meet the super-rich skipping the queue for a vaccine vacation

www.standard.co.uk/insider/are-the-superrich-skipping-the-vaccine-queue-b921226.html

@JassyRadlett

So if the risk is soooo low, let the unvaccinated who want to go in too.

But the risk is only lower if all the patrons are vaccinated. That’s rather the point. The vaccine protects the vaccinated individuals and almost certainly massively reduces the risk of transmission to others.

Not being vaccinated conveys none of those benefits. So letting in unvaccinated people without other mitigations like distancing or capacity limits (which put the financial burden on the business) would directly result in the risk no longer being ‘soooo low’.

This is not a particularly tricky concept.

My point is that I imagine that these places will probably still need to have these safety measures much as tables being distanced apart and probably ordering food via an app. I don't think it's going to back to normal immediately. They will probably have limited capacity anyway with mask wearing. I wonder if a large portion of the population aren't vaccinated and can't go to these places if they wouldn't be able to fill this capacity anyway.

But hopefully as others are saying this will be a irrelevant as by the time places are opened adults will all be vaccinated and vaccination cards will only possibly happen once adults are all vaccinated.

My point is that I imagine that these places will probably still need to have these safety measures much as tables being distanced apart and probably ordering food via an app. I don't think it's going to back to normal immediately. They will probably have limited capacity anyway with mask wearing. I wonder if a large portion of the population aren't vaccinated and can't go to these places if they wouldn't be able to fill this capacity anyway.

Initially when they reopen, yes. Because the current plan is to open to all. But why do you imagine those restrictions would need to be in place if we were in a word where vaccine passports became a viable option? With much lower risks to individuals and much lower risks of transmission, why wouldn’t they be able to increase capacity? That’s the trade off. Vaccine cuts the risk so you can operate more normally.

But even if capacity were restricted as you say (unlikely), the demand issue becomes less acute and the businesses would be less reliant on the unvaccinated. They may prefer to have the lower risk to their staff and lower risk of shutdown due to the need to self-isolate most of their workforce by only accepting the vaccinated, rather than running at the same capacity with a mixed crowd but carrying that higher risk.

For restaurants, UK Hospitality has set out that the more affluent older demographics were very much missed last summer as they were dining out and going on holidays in much lower numbers.

Ultimately I would think it would be for a business to decide ‘is it better for me to run at lower capacity but with a larger potential customer pool with a higher chance of making my staff ill, or a smaller customer pool but higher capacity and a more safe work environment.’

I know a lot of theatres, for example, for whom the latter would be a no brainier.

Well those saying let's not panic about something that might not happen and it will take ages to go through we're wrong. The government have confirmed vaccination cards will be needed for sporting events and theatres. I can't believe this has been brought in. I am normally quite mah about things but this really feels quite controlling, discriminating and dividing. I can't believe it's been passed. I can't believe there isn't more opposition by Labour to this government. This really feels like a shift in attitude and like COVID has given the government a green light to control is more, especially with the new policing laws coming in. I find this really uneasy.