To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

I think there needs to be a way of telling people such as immigration officers that you have had the vaccine, as I think it will be required for entry into some countries.

I will be interested to read the outcome of the review today which Michael Gove has been asked to lead on behalf of the Prime Minister. Whilst Mr Gove comes across as a rude man, and sometimes nasty, I don't think he will want to see someone refused entry to a pub for lack of the vaccine.

@yesyoudoknowme

Who is demanding vaccination cards? Oh and I am over 60 and have worked all through this pandemic so wind your neck in. Knitting and and gardening?

Me too. 63 years old, clinically vulnerable but not CEV, and I have worked full time throughout the pandemic supporting communities that are actually at much greater risk than me. I've also worked for decades in jobs - probably like the OPs parents who have saved all their lives to afford some luxuries later in life and who, with or without covid, at 70+ have a lot less life left to enjoy. So if the OP is inconvenienced by having to wait a few more months, they could be thankful they probably have a lot of life left to enjoy many holidays and other leisure pursuits. Or to reflect that many people growing up in the 50's, 60's and 70's didn't grow up privileged or with the benefits people do these days.

Nobody actually knows if there will be vaccination passports anyway, so why rant about something that hasn't even happened? Typical snowflake approach to the world by someone who had had a bad year, like everyone else. But then some people had a worse one. Those people are dead.

@BlueTimes

If we come out of lockdown at the end of June and everyone has the first vaccine by the end of July, the second vaccine will by the end of October at the latest. Even allowing additional time for full immunity to build up, you really are talking about a few months difference between most of those who are vaccinated and everyone else.

In the grand scheme of things, it’s really not something to be angry about.

But those few months mean we miss out on a desperately needed summer holiday and events and activities with the kids over summer potentially.

I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age.

What are you talking about!? Of COURSE 60 is still working age. What awful stereotypes you've given!

I think you misunderstood my post BlockedOff.

As far as I understand, the whole adult population is supposed to be vaccinated by July. Vaccine cards or passports will only come into play once everyone is vaccinated. I don't think they can realistically enforce them any other way for the exact reasons you've stated (ie a large proportion of the population wouldnt be able to do anything...)

I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age.

I don't know anyone (or even of anyone) who is 60 and not working. If you think people have stopped working by 60, you may have a rude awakening in 21 years' time.

Just found this article online... looks as though the card just acts as a record and appointment reminder, not proof of being vaccinated... fullfact.org/health/covid19-vaccination-card/

A lot of the people who’ve been vaccinated are NHS staff; people who’ve been working on covid wards or A&E, paramedics, nurses, hospital cleaners, porters, doctors, physiotherapists... don’t you think they deserve a break?

Everyone will get their ‘vaccination cards’ just some wait a bit longer than others!

The app situation is another concern. Not everyone has a phone that runs apps. Will there be another system for them? Or will it discriminate against those who cant afford or understand smart phones?

Surely once the vulnerable are vaccinated the rest of us can get on with it. It's just a cold for most of us if that. If you are concerned about the risks to yourself then get the vaccine by all means but it's like saying everyone has to have the flu vaccine.

60 isn’t working age . What affluent circles do you swan about in OP?

But carry on with your “It’s not faaaaiiiiiirrrrr wah”

YANBU OP, I think you're getting a hard time here. The younger generation have sacrificed a lot for the older generation, for them to go booking holidays is like a massive middle finger up to us.

The elderly have been at greatest risk. And they have fewer years ahead of them. You are 39. If you live to, say, 80, you have another 41 years to go on holiday etc

You don't know that though do you. Any one of us could die tomorrow. No one knows how much time they have left to do these things.

@studychick81 generally 60 isn't a working age?

1. Yes it is, the current state pension age is 66

1. How is it relevant if they are working anyway?

You are so bitter, it's untrue!

I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Get. A. Grip. And be thankful that you’re of an age and in a category where you may have already had COVID and aren’t even aware of it.
There are no vaccination cards yet nor May there ever be. And by the time proving you have been vaccinated is mandatory ( if ever) for flying to certain places even YOU will be vaccinated. In fact, you’ll probably have received at least your first one by July.
As for people booking holidays - there nothing to stop you doing the same. I’m not because I’m aware that it’s not just me that needs to vaccinated or my family or even the whole country - it’s people in other countries too and until this virus is under control that’s the way it’ll be.
As for most people 60+ not working- what planet are you on that people have all retired early?

Don't vaccines stop you from getting whatever you are being vaccinated against?
Or have I got it wrong, it just means you don't get it as bad.
Do people get mmr when they have been vaccinated?

Some of them might have been at home, but they have that constant worry about the fact that they are much more likely to die or be seriously ill if they get Covid, and that sort of deep anxiety can eat away at you! Younger people might have sacrificed a lot too, but they have (generally) the knowledge that they are likely to survive this and go on to have many more years of being out and going on holiday.

It’s the constant whining and complaining that ticks me off. Life isn’t always fair, OP. Stop whinging and get on with it.

@notanothertakeaway

YABU. The elderly have been at greatest risk. And they have fewer years ahead of them. You are 39. If you live to, say, 80, you have another 41 years to go on holiday etc

And yes, your taxes will pay for this, but how would forcing the over 60's to stay at home help with that?

Dog in a manger

I am not saying that, I think they shouldn't Insist on vaccination cards for foreign travel until everyone is vaccinated and so it's a level playing field.

People will be off having fun, whilst we are stuck in unable to do anything as we don't have the vaccination record. It will be like being in lockdown all summer.

And how will it show people who are unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons? Its just a plain stupid idea.

And you can book holidays too. They are hoping to vaccinate every by July, and it's unlikely that people can travel abroad very much before that anyway. And you are just as able to book holidays within the UK, as the rules for that will be eased at the same time for everyone.

studychick81
"I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age."

It is for most of us. State pension age is now 66 and increasing to 67 between 2026 and 2028.

It's other countries that might insist on vaccinations for foreign travel, the way the do now.

By the point they are likely to be asking for them, you will have had the choice to be vaccinated. We are far ahead in the UK compared to most other places.

Where is the news source for this? If this is true I will be outraged

It doesn’t matter what happens, the conspiracy theorists are ahead of us.

There has been absolutely no mention of vaccination cards for use within the UK, and foreign countries are perfectly entitled to demand that visitors be vaccinated for certain conditions, just as they do already for conditions such as yellow fever.

I was talking to my mum about this earlier, and she said that when we moved to a particular African country in the 70’s, if you didn’t have whichever vaccine was mandatory (think it was yellow fever) they stood you in a line and vaccinated you themselves, one after another, with the same needle.

Now while I don’t know if these practices still exist elsewhere, I’m not sure it’s a risk I would want to take, be vaccinated here in sterile conditions, or in another country which could be rife with HIV etc with a used needle.

And if you’re thrown out of another country for not being vaccinated, then presumably you would expect the airline to fly you home, although I’d hope it would be at your own cost. So it makes sense for the airlines to ban travel without a vaccination to countries where this is required.

Pregnant women and also breastfeeding mothers have been advised against the vaccine. I'm currently pregnant baby is due in the summer and I plan on breastfeeding my child as well so looks like I won't be getting the vaccine until 2022. So if vaccine passports become a thing I guess I'll be stuck indoors still until then