To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

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I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

But those few months mean we miss out on a desperately needed summer holiday and events and activities with the kids over summer potentially.

🤷‍♀️you'll survive! You can holiday in this country, but I expect you won't be able to enjoy that, it's got to be an all inclusive in Spain to have any meaning! 🙄

‘I am not saying that, I think they shouldn't Insist on vaccination cards for foreign travel until everyone is vaccinated and so it's a level playing field. ‘

I’ve missed something. Who’s asking for these non-existent cards??

Again, this is not what the thread is about. It is about making people carry vaccine passports around with them.
Of course it is. Did you read the second paragraph? It was an assault on older people. You don't have to even mention older people "sitting around knitting " to make a point about vaccination passports.

I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age.
Maybe not in the upper middle classes. Try the world most people live in. The only reason they aren't working at 60 is because their employers have written them off and disposed of them, leaving them impoverished with no pensions, on benefits and definitely no bloody cruises - with or without vaccination passports.

If and when they are used, all the information has suggested it will be a vaccine proof OR a negative test. So nobody would be prevented from doing this, unless they test positive.

“ Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back. ”

Wow , I am in my 60s and have volunteered throughout lockdown , shopped for even older neighbour , helped DGS with schoolwork to name a few things so I certainly haven’t had time to be bored !
I also have 3 holidays booked and don’t feel the slightest bit embarrassed.

The ageism on MN really annoys me !!

I am not saying that, I think they shouldn't Insist on vaccination cards for foreign travel until everyone is vaccinated and so it's a level playing field.

You can only go through the school holidays, so WTF should everyone wait for you, for it to be a level playing field?

"Some" 50/60 year olds "probably" still working

Seriously? How old are you OP?

Nothing about Covid is “fair”, though. It’s not about fairness, it’s about pragmatism.

There’s an argument for a change to the tax structure to attempt to even up the huge gap in financial luck between generations, particularly given the impact of lockdown on under-25’s from less well off backgrounds.

A level playing field? For what competition?!

The current thinking according to then media, is that the " passport" will be either staying that the person is either vaccinated or have tested negative. That " or" is important. There are some who can never be vaccinated because of allergies for example.

And a big ThanK you to the couple of posters who have pointed out that the older you are, the less time you have to "catch up" on " normal" life.

Opening poster, is not a competition to decide who ( or which group) have suffered most. As my DD aside the other day " We are all dealing with shit, it's just that one persons but isn't necessarily the same as mine".

I have not said anyone should wait for their vaccination or that we shouldn't have lockdown. I do wish people would read my posts properly. Or that older people shouldn't book holidays.

To be clear I have said they shouldn't have a criteria of having to have vaccination card to do these things until everyone is vaccinated. It was on the bbc news tonight that this will likely be the expectation from airlines.

60 isn't working age?! I think you should have a look into state pension age and the ever increasing gap between state vs private pension provision. Not something that's going to improve given the potential economic fallout of Covid. Now that's something to get worked up about!

I hope that when you get to 60 you remember what you've said and are willing to be easily discounted as a useful, working member of society....

@Oldbutstillgotit good for you, have great fun on those holidays. You deserve it!

I found it. Outrageous

Nasty ageist twaddle. Most public sector workers can't afford to retire at 60 - many continue to work full time until a good few years afterwards in high stress jobs, keeping the country flowing and others safe.

I rather suspect many countries will insist on people being vaccinated rather than part vaccinated - certainly countries who have got a grip on their own infection rates and are now Covid free.

If people are daft enough to want to squash on a crowded cruise ship which is a melting pot for infections, they deserve to go ahead of those of us prepared to wait a little longer.

I rather suspect that it might be more challenging than you imagine; do they have health insurance that covers Covid?

As far as I know, vaccination cards aren't needed.
It might be that some countries will demand to see them. I don't see a problem with that.

I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age

Given that state pension age is currently 66, most 60 year olds are still working. Most pensioners are also taxpayers.

As far as I’m aware the card with the first vaccination is just a record, it serves no function in a non clinical context.

Most of the volunteers at our vaccination centre are 60+. As are many of the nurses who have come out of retirement to help
With the programme.
Trying to think of a single 60 year old I know who have retired. Don’t know any. The only knitter I know is 40...

Who is this “they” that “we” will put pressure on?

The casual ageism on this post is depressing

My husband was given a card when he had his first jab. That's probably all you'll need.

I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age.

You must mix in exceptionally privileged circles if you honestly believe most people 60+ are retired. Do you know what the state pension age is? Many people are actually working beyond that.

We are all likely to pay more tax but it seems unlikely that it will be as much as 33% and 83% (basic and higher rate) as it was in the 70's. Basic rate was 25% when I first started work so we have had quite along period of historically low tax rates. And we are all still paying for government debts which, in some cases, are hundreds of years old. It's how society works.

I don't know when I'm getting my vaccine either but I'm not resentful, it's just the way it is.

I know tons of unvaccinated people in their 30s and 40s who have booked summer hols abroad. I think they’re being optimistic in general but more power to them.

In Germany the government ethics committee announced there would be no advantages (in terms of what you can do) for the vaccinated over the un-vaccinated until everyone in the country who can be vaccinated has had the chance to do so.

We all have a vaccination booklet anyway, with all vaccinations in (the regular ones as children, and then things like flu-jab, tetnus, any jabs you have for going abroad etc). The Covid-19 vaccinations will be put in here too.