To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

Just try and look at it in a more positive way.

The tourism industry is in dire financial straights, if people can start going on holiday again soon then that will boost things and make sure that the holiday companies are still in business, and that you will still be able to buy a reasonably priced holiday when you are released by the vaccine.

If we all wait until everyone is vaccinated, and try to book holidays all at the same time, prices will go through the roof.

Many people have died because of this virus, people who have been struck down before their time. How fair is that?

I think they are a really good idea.

Op you are being ridiculous. Foreign holidays are illegal currently. No one can go abroad, whatever their vaccine status. This will remain the case for a good few months as we will need to see what's happening with the variants, even after everyone here has been vaccinated. Secondly, politicians are not talking about requiring vaccines for entry to pubs etc or normal UK life. Venues such as cinemas can't just decide for themselves to require vaccine passports - it would need to come from government or else be discriminatory. It would be only for overseas travel or possibly some jobs. Thirdly, other countries may require vaccine status for entry but that is only likely to be as an alternative to quarantine, which would prevent most holidays anyway. Our government has no control over that.

My Mum is 67 and works a full time job as a carer for adults with special needs. She has just reduced her hours from 50 down to 30, your op is very ageist.

I see your point OP. Lockdown does not affect older people as much as the younger. My DC have done nothing and been nowhere for a year. They’ve missed 1/10 of their lives when we should be out and about learning and building memories. For my dad, who is 85, lockdown isn’t that different to his normal day. He doesn’t want to go anywhere anyway.

This latest lockdown has been brutal on young people. A few friends DC are now depressed.

Enough.

This report from 2015 shows over 9m workers aged over 50+. I haven’t looked for anything more recent but can only imagine it’s increased with the rise in pension ages.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/568240/employment-stats-workers-aged-50-and-over-1984-2015.pdf

Competitive suffering is not just a dick move, it's also pointless.

OP, I bet you £1000 that we could find someone on this thread who's suffered more than you. No one deserves the vaccine because of what they've had to put up with; it's allocated based on risk.

And I don't blame any country for insisting on having incoming people be vaccinated. You can have a perfectly lovely holiday in the UK.

However, there wont be any vaccine passport or cert, unworkable, unfair and will make Bojo unelectable.

What do you mean? I suspect it would be a very popular strategy to insist that visitors to UK have to be fully vaccinated. The UK government has little control on what restrictions other countries set around immigration from the UK - especially now we gave up our voice in Europe.

It's irritating but in the grand scheme of things, a month or so doesn't make a lot of difference. Generally, I find the news coverage of people whingeing that their vaccine is a week later than those people over there, so self centred when people are doing back breaking work to get them all out.

Well done @studychick81 for your immense sacrifice for the old knitters in society I'm sure whomever they are will be grateful to you.

Vaccination cards - if you mean the small piece of paper that shows the date vaccination on it then that is not a passport to a foreign holiday so don't go getting too jealous. Chatting about vaccination passports doesn't mean that all/many/some countries might want them and even if they do who knows who will have to have one (over x age or everyone) jumping to conclusions much....

Can't you wait a couple of months? I think that's when you'll possibly be getting a vaccine.

One of my DCs is 10 years younger than you and part of a vaccine trial and she's hopeful for about June (if she's had the placebo, she doesn't know yet), which could possibly make it that you have it maybe May. She had communication today and that's what it seemed to be. She is part of the Novovax trial and it's 91% effective and about to come on board.

Think of the benefits of having a UK holiday.

There’s the benefit to the environment with less people flying all over the place, and given the UK economy is suffering I think that we should be contributing to that rather than flitting off to another country.

@Sleepyquest

YANBU OP. I agree with you completely. Me and my child will have to continue sitting on our sofa whilst those of a certain age go swanning about living the high life. My DD has already missed out on so much. It's a piss take!!

We have protected the older generations by giving up a year of our lives, what should have been the best year of my life so far and they want to go out the minute they get the vaccine and risk infection. Really annoying.

Lol at this. When things open up my 'swanning about living the high life' will include glamorous activities like visiting my MIL in her care home, going to church and social club on Sundays and eventually, visiting family overseas. I don't think OK magazine will have paparazzi lurking in the bushes to capture these exotic moments!

Incidentally, I haven't been vaccinated yet. Like most of us I wish I had but to get it now I would have to either be older than I am or less healthy that I am. I'm not wishing my life and health away to get the jab a few weeks earlier!

@TonTonMacoute I've tried that angle, OP is ignoring!

She doesn't care how many are unemployed in the holiday, airport, leisure industry. It's all about when she can do stuff.

Not preserving jobs, so that those can holiday, pay their mortgage/rent, feed their children.

I haven't heard they are going to do this for leisure facilities and UK holidays, only foreign travel which is absolutely the right thing to do.

Just book a UK trip, your watered down cocktails can surely wait a few more months?

What planet are you living on ? I’m a nurse, well into my sixties, God knows when I’ll be able to retire, same with my colleagues , it’ll be late sixties at the earliest before we can retire. You sound incredibly selfish. You have years ahead of you for holidays, time becomes very precious as you get older. A year without travel has been a waste of time we can’t afford. So yes, vaccination cards are a great idea, and hopefully, as I’ve worked through the whole thing, I will get a holiday this year.

Also remember its largely the 60+ who have died from this - and thousands more are likely die before the summer. Over 3000 people died last week and the vast majority were over 70.

Lockdown does not affect older people as much as the younger. My DC have done nothing and been nowhere for a year

Complete nonsense like all generalisations. We’ve all done nothing and been nowhere for a year. Building memories my arse!

She doesn't care how many are unemployed in the holiday, airport, leisure industry. It's all about when she can do stuff.

The people who work in these industries tend to be young though so some may have an issue with going back to work whilst waiting to be vaccinated or facilitating other people's holidays, days out whilst being restricted on a personal level.

Sorry, you lost me at desperately needed summer holiday and over 60s not working.

1. Nobody needs a holiday, you just want one. Stop acting as though your basic heirachy of needs won't be fulfilled cos you can't go to Greece.

1. As plenty of other posters have told you, 60 is a perfectly normal working age.

I'm 31, and I couldn't care less if I can't go on holiday before my nan can. I'll go in October or November or next year instead, I don't need to be able to go abroad to survive. I don't see why anyone who's been vaccinated and therefore can do so more safely should sit at home letting the economy suffer more just cos everyone can't go.

Wow! I don't know what to say other than you are ageist. You'll be 40, 50, 60 before you know it. Don't be so quick to judge. Didn't the taxes of now older people pay for the NHS hospital you were born in? The schools you went to?

Honestly, if my Mum who has been shielding and stuck inside her house alone told me she was booking a cruise as soon as she's vaccinated and free to do so, I would gladly help her pack her bags and drive her to the boat. I feel for vulnerable people who have been locked up for the best part of a year.

All these people banging on about UK holidays, have you tried to book something for summer in the UK recently?!

i think the OP might need a good dose of that monty python skit "what did the old people ever do for us?" (besides NHS, doctors, schools, ....)

You can have my vaccine if you want. Except you have to work FT from home and shield alone. So if you don't get milk delivered or your food shop doesn't turn up, no going out getting it. No seeing family or friends even outside
And you can have my chronic illness too
I'm 36 so no, not elderly

The elderly never had to shield. They could act just like every other member of the population while people bang on about them getting their lives back and seem to forget the people actually shielding are of any age