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AIBU? - dating guy for 2 months, he wants sex, I say no!

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Missrhodes · 13/02/2021 22:17

I have recently started dating a guy of 2 months, whom I do really like however I find him very disingenuous. He started of super keen, we went on a few dates and which went great but I noticed that he would bring up sex every so often. I am someone who has slept with men quite quickly in the past which hasn’t really worked out for me, so this time I have decided to take my time. Since going into lockdown we haven’t spent a lot of time together which I have voiced is a concern for me and I put it down to us not yet sleeping together which makes me question how genuine his interest in me is. He tries to convince me that things are in my head, and sex won’t change anything, now he’s told me he doesn’t want me to stay the night as it’s difficult as we aren’t sleeping together but he fails to realise that we haven’t had sex because I feel he puts in little to no effort and simply doesn’t deserve it. I am 30 and I’m looking for something long term and serious, which he claims he is too, but when sex is at the forefront of many conversations how am I to believe this. AIBU?

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WunWun · 14/02/2021 00:00

This is like a parallel universe 😆 what hoops precisely does he have to jump through? Just dump him and get someone more to your liking

RootyT00t · 14/02/2021 00:01

[quote Takemetothebar]@RootyT00t

It's not that sex has to be complicated, but it doesn't necessarily need to be free and easy either.

You and I can agree to disagree here. I think sex should always be free. I don’t ever want to have to do anything in return, and I don’t expect my partners to ever do something in return either. Favours for sex seems grim to me. I have sex because I want to and the person I’m doing it with wants to. That’s it.[/quote]
It's not favours for sex. That's completely and utterly different. That I agree on.

OP just wants more from him and to be sure before she sleeps with him.

Takemetothebar · 14/02/2021 00:01

Oh come on @Missrhodes

Now the man sounds like a creep, and quite different from your original messages.

Like I said, walk away for both your sakes. He’s not what you want (with comments like your latest update that’s not surprising!) and you probably aren’t what he wants.

RootyT00t · 14/02/2021 00:02

@WunWun

This is like a parallel universe 😆 what hoops precisely does he have to jump through? Just dump him and get someone more to your liking
Not being a sleazy wee creep with hideous messages and making effort with her? Not a lot to ask really.
Missrhodes · 14/02/2021 00:02

@Onjnmoeiejducwoapy

I’ve done similar things in dating to you OP and form experience I can tell you it really doesn’t work. Yes it’s a balance—if you’re sleeping with people immediately a lot it often doesn’t go the way you want it to. But I’ve also done the holding out and it makes for a terrible dynamic, it does the opposite of making them respect you. Because you’re literally telling them that your value is sex, that they only talk to you and are nice to you to eventually get sex.

Regardless, he seems pretty shit. Which is why you should end it and not hope that mindgames will change him, because they won’t. If you’re dating pigs and hoping to turn them into gents by withholding sex, maybe (if you’re lucky) you’ll get a fake gent for a month but you’re still going to end up with a pig.

When you find a gent, he’d be confused by the games you’re playing because he won’t understand sex as a transaction.

Yeah makes sense. Thankyou @Onjnmoeiejducwoapy
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Newkitchen123 · 14/02/2021 00:02

You want to feel valued
You don't feel valued
Go your separate ways
You want different things

Takemetothebar · 14/02/2021 00:04

@RootyT00t but how would not sleeping with him assure her of that? He might want more, wait, they have sex and then it changes and he doesn’t want the long term relationship. He’s entitled to change his mind as she is.

Or he might pretend to be in for the long haul just to get her into bed.

Withholding sex to achieve some standard of good boyfriend-ness is no guarantee he will
Still be that high standard after.

WunWun · 14/02/2021 00:04

Just read your last post. Why the fuck her involved with him in the first place then? What do you want people to say? He sounds like a fucking scumbag based on that. Obviously don't shag him or even speak to him Confused You're not going to change him. No one changes.

alexdgr8 · 14/02/2021 00:04

why are you still messing about with him OP.
you two are obviously not suited.
just say goodbye and no hard feelings.
wasn't meant to be a pun.
why don't you try making it clear from the get-go in future that you will not have sex before or unless there is a serious relationship. be clear. saves time, and ill-feeling.
there are probably a few men who will match that approach.

WunWun · 14/02/2021 00:04

Get, not her

GreenlandTheMovie · 14/02/2021 00:06

Ugh, he sounds very manipulative OP.

It's so easy to get drawn in by this sort of guy. They seem as if they should be decent, they tick some boxes but if you examine who they really are in the cold light of day, they're not very nice people. You're looking for reassurance to move the relationship forward, he's not providing it. You don't feel connected enough with him to sleep with him.

It was easy enough for me to block that guy because I didnt really know him and didnt have any real connection with him. I dont kniw how people can have sex with people theyre not connected with, I mean obviously they do and of course I know that everyone's different. But even at uni, you kind of knew them in a way because they would be students too.

RootyT00t · 14/02/2021 00:06

[quote Takemetothebar]@RootyT00t but how would not sleeping with him assure her of that? He might want more, wait, they have sex and then it changes and he doesn’t want the long term relationship. He’s entitled to change his mind as she is.

Or he might pretend to be in for the long haul just to get her into bed.

Withholding sex to achieve some standard of good boyfriend-ness is no guarantee he will
Still be that high standard after.[/quote]
I don't disagree.

But I don't think OP is being malicious or doing anything wrong here. She's doing things her way as we all do.

WunWun · 14/02/2021 00:09

Yeah that's the thing. He's not going to change as a person from you withholding sex.

BibbityBobbety · 14/02/2021 00:18

He asked you about your masturbation habits after your first date and you've stuck around 2 months later??? This is not setting boundaries, this is being very naive and a bit silly. Because you know he's been inappropriate with his comments right from date 1 onwards, and you still think he's going to magically become a better person if he just spends more time with you? He's clearly not what you're after so please don't waste your time.

You also need to be smarter when dating by learning to recognise red flags. Sleeping with the right guy on the first date is much better than withholding sex for 2 months from a creep. Sex is not the issue, your boundaries are.

Missrhodes · 14/02/2021 00:30

@BibbityBobbety

He asked you about your masturbation habits after your first date and you've stuck around 2 months later??? This is not setting boundaries, this is being very naive and a bit silly. Because you know he's been inappropriate with his comments right from date 1 onwards, and you still think he's going to magically become a better person if he just spends more time with you? He's clearly not what you're after so please don't waste your time.

You also need to be smarter when dating by learning to recognise red flags. Sleeping with the right guy on the first date is much better than withholding sex for 2 months from a creep. Sex is not the issue, your boundaries are.

@BibbityBobbety yeah you’re right. I ignored the red flags by thinking I could give him the benefit of the doubt and thought if it told him it was inappropriate it would be ok. I do need to work on my boundaries too
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RootyT00t · 14/02/2021 00:33

Yeh thats a massive drip there OP.

Hawkins001 · 14/02/2021 00:33

@Missrhodes

I have recently started dating a guy of 2 months, whom I do really like however I find him very disingenuous. He started of super keen, we went on a few dates and which went great but I noticed that he would bring up sex every so often. I am someone who has slept with men quite quickly in the past which hasn’t really worked out for me, so this time I have decided to take my time. Since going into lockdown we haven’t spent a lot of time together which I have voiced is a concern for me and I put it down to us not yet sleeping together which makes me question how genuine his interest in me is. He tries to convince me that things are in my head, and sex won’t change anything, now he’s told me he doesn’t want me to stay the night as it’s difficult as we aren’t sleeping together but he fails to realise that we haven’t had sex because I feel he puts in little to no effort and simply doesn’t deserve it. I am 30 and I’m looking for something long term and serious, which he claims he is too, but when sex is at the forefront of many conversations how am I to believe this. AIBU?
From my experience i had a lady that wanted to connect with me , at first she was lovely pretty much everything i would be intrigued with.

We talked and chatted ect seemed to get along had interests with similar topics, no real reason for doubt at first.

My thinking was, if this lady was a potential partner and she really was into me, my thinking was she would take the time to build the friendship over x months then when both of use were ready we would commit and form the relationship. Plus this also gave me the opportunity to see if what she was saying e.g. The personality, the habits, the perspectives ect would be consistent over time, then it would give a good foundation so to speak. Rather than rushing then discovering who is this person.

But because I was in no rush to jump with feet first and wanted to take my time, then the subtle manipulation tactics made me suspicious of the motives.

At first it was I like e.g. X then after a while the posts on Facebook seemed to indicate differences of preference.

Then it was I like y, but only one item of proof or small example to back up the statement.

Then the main red flag, after a few weeks it was the, people normally don't like to wait x until your intrested, and to me i.thought, hold on if you want us to begin a relationship and you know my preference of not rushing and wanting to get to know you, then why would that hold water with me.

Then every so often it was the if you want to know anything, just ask, and.i.thought i cannot say I'm waiting to see if your views and perspectives ect are consistent, and also if I did ask e.g. X and she has a cover story for it, then that to me is just a story.

There were other details that also seemed like she wanted to rush things and it was like why the rush and if your rushing this quick, what exactly would I be getting myself into and it seemed very odd at certain moment's, but it was the subtle altering of perspectives over time that were the blocks that suggested that what was her original perspectives to agree with mine, were suddenly becoming her true perspectives, either that or she was talking with other guys and trying to charm them,

Overall I'd say if the person wants you for you, keep your guard up, and if they truly want a long term relationship, then they should be happy and willing to build a good foundation for you both to then connect with and take things further.

Hawkins001 · 14/02/2021 00:43

I've just read through your comments op, sounds like he just wants the business but without a care or interest about getting to know you.

Quit4me · 14/02/2021 00:44

I totally get what the OP means. Why would you want to be most intimate and vulnerable with someone who you don’t feel fully connected to, esp if you are looking for a long term relationship out of it.
It takes 2 to make a connection and maybe this lockdown just hasn’t facilitated that as well?
However, on the flip side, I think you have probably spoken to him enough on fact time etc to know if he is right for you. That connection comes from far more than words and what he says he wants. It’s a gut feeling of how they make you feel inside. Words alone just don’t cut it and neither does only good sex.
OP I think if you feel he is not putting in the energy now, and you are not feeling that connection you are very right not to age sex.
If you have said you are not ready, and he is really interested in a long term relationship with you, he should wait until you are and not keep pestering. To be it sounds hard work and like the connection isn’t there for either of you really.

Pepperxo · 14/02/2021 00:47

If you are really into him it should be difficult not to jump his bones. It sounds to me making him wait isn't too hard for you so you aren't really into him? Let him go OP

CharlotteRose90 · 14/02/2021 00:55

Fuck sake OP you are not doing anything wrong I get you. Especially in lockdown j wouldn’t want to sleep with someone early as currently most guys want a quick fling and their off. I would also be put off by a guy constantly wanting or asking for sex. I do think perhaps he’s the wrong one but time will tell. I’ve waited 10 weeks with a partner before so it’s ok not to rush.

Ohthatoldchestnut · 14/02/2021 00:58

If he's saying something is "reserved for girlfriends" that's probably indicative of him not seeing you in that light. If he's not stepping up and excited to spend time with you, sex or no sex, (which is generally the environment in which things flow naturally anyway and pretty essential as a basis of a LTR), he's not one worth pursuing. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

If you want a man to value you, you need to start valuing yourself (and withholding sex is not valuing yourself). It's playing a game to try and get his behaviour to change by using it as a bargaining chip - that is devaluing your worth and the exact opposite of what you intend. Be more discerning. And why would you be helping him with all that stuff? You are not his girlfriend, therapist, mother or estate agent. You do not need to earn his love and respect - you are lovable just for being you and the good ones will see that. And you'll get to the good ones quicker by ditching the less promising ones faster. Delete. Next.

tricky29 · 14/02/2021 00:58

You seem to have an idea of how you want your relationships in future to work so I’d bin this one.

Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 14/02/2021 00:59

@Ohthatoldchestnut

If he's saying something is "reserved for girlfriends" that's probably indicative of him not seeing you in that light. If he's not stepping up and excited to spend time with you, sex or no sex, (which is generally the environment in which things flow naturally anyway and pretty essential as a basis of a LTR), he's not one worth pursuing. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

If you want a man to value you, you need to start valuing yourself (and withholding sex is not valuing yourself). It's playing a game to try and get his behaviour to change by using it as a bargaining chip - that is devaluing your worth and the exact opposite of what you intend. Be more discerning. And why would you be helping him with all that stuff? You are not his girlfriend, therapist, mother or estate agent. You do not need to earn his love and respect - you are lovable just for being you and the good ones will see that. And you'll get to the good ones quicker by ditching the less promising ones faster. Delete. Next.

Well put
Ohthatoldchestnut · 14/02/2021 01:06

Also, whenever you think you need to run around doing all those things for him... I threw up on one of my most adored exes on our third date (self-inflicted as well). It was mortifying and I was desperate to make it up to him. He sat me down and told me I didn't have to prove anything, he just loved being with me and a little bit of vom wouldn't change that (though he suggested me (5'3) trying to match him (6'4) shot for shot was probably not something I should repeat for the sake of my own health...). No hoops, no hurdles, no demands, just an authentic, easy connection.