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OH teasing daughter

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7catsandcounting · 09/02/2021 15:18

Happy for you to tell me I'm overreacting...

OH jokes around with DD (nearly 4) a lot. But, I don't think his humour is appropriate. It's always teasing. E.g. "That's not your bear, it's mine!", "They're my sweets!", "Who's the boss today? Mummy's the boss! You can be the boss tomorrow!" She often whines or whinges or cries in response. Or, he'll tell a "funny story" about something that happened before she was born (like the time he cooked a lemon in with the potatoes and I gagged :-/) and she loses interest and then he gets frustrated. It reminds me of "old granddad jokes". I don't want to sound ageist, but that's how I would describe it. He always does it in a very jovial manger and with a big smile on his face, but it's all the time. As if he can't think of anything to say to her. I know his intentions are good.

I've tried mentioning it several times, but he insists it is funny.

I just don't think she can process humour like that. It's too abstract.

AIBU? Does anyone know if this sort of thing could have a damaging effect on her? Any links? How would you deal with it?

I keep thinking he'll copy some of the things I do with her, but he never ventures from the teasing.

Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but I could do without the tantrums and tears.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 09/02/2021 20:46

So he love bombed you OP and has now turned out to be a boring old fart who thinks he knows best and disregards what you say about YOUR daughter.

Be very careful OP.

The potential for this to blow back in your face is huge.

Your daughter growing up and resentful of this complete PITA that was foisted on her.

They will clash as she gets older and asserts herself.

He doesn't even have a child yet thinks he knows better that a mother about her own child.
🙄

snowydaysandholidays · 09/02/2021 20:47

I’d take a long hard look at his younger brother as that is exactly what his behaviour will do to your dd.

LunaHeather · 09/02/2021 20:52

@HeidiHaughton

One of my old boyfriend's had a father like this. I remember meeting him for the first time and he spent the entire meal having "fun" at boyfriend's expense. Teasing him about having a girlfriend and making inappropriate comments about what he must be getting up to. He would look really pleased with himself doing this, like he thought he was the life and soul of the party. I avoided him as much as possible after that because I didn't want to draw myself into being a target. Boyfriend admitted this was how his dad was and they all hated it but put up with it because it would be worse if he was challenged. Its horrible behaviour.
Heidi "Boyfriend admitted this was how his dad was and they all hated it but put up with it because it would be worse if he was challenged. Its horrible behaviour."

I wish everyone would just reject these types. My friend's brother os a nasty piece of work in a similar way - rage if anyone questions his behaviour.

After he hit 25, my friend and her mum just went NC because he clearly wasn't going to change. Her mum did say it's awful going NC with your son, but what was the point of keeping a relationship with such a horrible person? It just teaches them they can get away with with it.

snowydaysandholidays · 09/02/2021 20:53

I would also question whether he genuinely cares for dd at all, what kind of person gets kicks from making a tiny three year old cry? It’s really cruel, and I couldn’t trust someone like that around my child.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 09/02/2021 20:58

Even innocent questions like “what’s for dinner?”, they know he won’t give a straight answer, ever

He sounds like a hoot. Does he fart into his hands and ask the kids to smell it too 🙄

Nanny2many · 09/02/2021 20:58

my god daughter was like this. i think she could tell some jokes aren't sincere and are a bit mean. i chose to have more inclusive and sweet natured jokes with her. which really worked..... even just the language helped..... instead of saying "these are my advent calendar " etc , i might say "imagine if i ate all your chocolates ! what would you saaaay?! may goodness" for example. i can't think of an exact joke i said but hope this helps

HeidiHaughton · 09/02/2021 21:01

@Nanny2many

my god daughter was like this. i think she could tell some jokes aren't sincere and are a bit mean. i chose to have more inclusive and sweet natured jokes with her. which really worked..... even just the language helped..... instead of saying "these are my advent calendar " etc , i might say "imagine if i ate all your chocolates ! what would you saaaay?! may goodness" for example. i can't think of an exact joke i said but hope this helps
Why would you need to make jokes at the expense of a child at all? I think a lot if adults don't realise children get worn down as much as older people and just play along with this crap for a quiet life.
strawberriesontheNeva · 09/02/2021 21:02

Hmm...... harmless dad teasing. You sound a bit jelaous of their father/ daughter relationship

LunaHeather · 09/02/2021 21:04

@strawberriesontheNeva

Hmm...... harmless dad teasing. You sound a bit jelaous of their father/ daughter relationship
Have you read the thread at all? Like, even the OP?
Sparkletastic · 09/02/2021 21:04

@strawberriesontheNeva

Hmm...... harmless dad teasing. You sound a bit jelaous of their father/ daughter relationship
Are you referring to the OP's partner? He's not her DD's dad if so.
billy1966 · 09/02/2021 21:07

@snowydaysandholidays

I’d take a long hard look at his younger brother as that is exactly what his behaviour will do to your dd.
Just saw this bit about his brother. He will loathe him as an adult, think he is such a moron and will actively avoid him.

Men like that are so fxxking dull.
So one dimensional 🙄

Sparkletastic · 09/02/2021 21:08

Anyway, back to you OP. I think his behaviour is a relationship deal breaker. I have friends who do this to their own kids. The mother is a psychotherapist of all things. I think it is incredibly damaging for kids to be constantly teased by those who should love them most.

7catsandcounting · 09/02/2021 21:18

@Nanny2many I understand what you mean. I have lots of jokes with DD, but I let her be the more "powerful" one when we're interacting. She knows it's a game. She takes the lead. It's hard to explain, but it's all in the wording. I'll ask her her favourite food, list them.... "Do you like raspberries", "Yes!", "Chocolate?", "Yes!".... naming foods as fast as I can and then I'll throw in a "worms?" and sometimes she'll say yes because she's not quick enough and we'll laugh like maniacs. She knows the game, she then gets the hang of the "No" for the worms. She wants to play it over and over. It's obvious she's having fun.
@HeidiHaughton I remember that feeling with a boss. I used to laugh along just for an easier time of it. Really sexist "banter". I was a lot younger. One of my biggest regrets. It went on for 5 years.

OP posts:
campion · 09/02/2021 21:25

Sounds a bit asd type behaviour. Not getting it,lacks insight,inappropriate teasing of small child,rabbiting on, fixating on OP etc.

If so,you need to spell it out,explain how he needs to change, step in before it gets out of hand and stop letting him upset your daughter.
Given that he isn't her father I know who I would prioritise if he isn't up for modifying his behaviour.

Nanny2many · 09/02/2021 21:27

[quote 7catsandcounting]@Nanny2many I understand what you mean. I have lots of jokes with DD, but I let her be the more "powerful" one when we're interacting. She knows it's a game. She takes the lead. It's hard to explain, but it's all in the wording. I'll ask her her favourite food, list them.... "Do you like raspberries", "Yes!", "Chocolate?", "Yes!".... naming foods as fast as I can and then I'll throw in a "worms?" and sometimes she'll say yes because she's not quick enough and we'll laugh like maniacs. She knows the game, she then gets the hang of the "No" for the worms. She wants to play it over and over. It's obvious she's having fun.
@HeidiHaughton I remember that feeling with a boss. I used to laugh along just for an easier time of it. Really sexist "banter". I was a lot younger. One of my biggest regrets. It went on for 5 years.[/quote]
totally in the words and the tone also. ..... some people would be saying '"you like worms"" to the kids and winding them up. I think some people like/want/know how to be authentic and real with kids

JamieFrasersAuntie · 09/02/2021 21:29

By Lisa Norgren
@elsielan

To the other adults in the room this is fine.

A grown man looms behind my three-year-old daughter. Occasionally he will poke or tickle her and she responds by shrinking. Smaller and smaller with each unwanted advance. I imagine her trying to become slight enough to slip out of her booster seat and slide under the table.

When my mother views this scene, she sees playful taunting. A grandfather engaging with his granddaughter.

“Mae.” My tone cuts through the din of a familiar family gathering together. She does not look at me.

“Mae.” I start again. “You can tell him no Mae. If this isn’t okay you could say something like, Papa, please back up—I would like some space for my body.”

As I say the words, my step-father, the bulldog, leans in a little closer, hovering just above her head. His tenebrous grin taunts me as my daughter accordions her 30-pound frame hoping to escape his tickles and hot breath.

I repeat myself with a little more force. She finally peeks up at me.

“Mama…can you say it?” Surprise. A three-year-old-girl doesn’t feel comfortable defending herself against a grown man. A man that has stated he loves and cares for her over and over again, and yet, stands here showing zero concern for her wishes about her own body. I ready myself for battle.

“Papa! Please back up! Mae would like some space for her body.” My voice is firm but cheerful. He does not move.

“Papa. I should not have to ask you twice. Please back up. Mae is uncomfortable.”

“Oh, relax,” he says, ruffling her wispy blonde hair. The patriarchy stands, patronizing me in my own damn kitchen. “We’re just playin’.” His southern drawl does not charm me.

“No. You were playing. She was not. She’s made it clear that she would like some space, now please back up.”

“I can play how I want with her.” He says, straightening his posture. My chest tightens. The sun-bleached hairs on my arms stand at attention as this man, who has been my father figure for more than three decades, enters the battle ring.

“No. No, you cannot play however you want with her. It’s not okay to ‘have fun’ with someone who does not want to play.” He opens his mouth to respond but my rage is palpable through my measured response. I wonder if my daughter can feel it. I hope she can.

He retreats to the living room and my daughter stares up at me. Her eyes, a starburst of blue and hazel, shine with admiration for her mama. The dragon has been slayed (for now). My own mother is silent. She refuses to make eye contact with me.

This is the same woman who shut me down when I told her about a sexual assault I had recently come to acknowledge. This is the same woman who was abducted by a carful of strangers as she walked home one night. She fought and screamed until they kicked her out. Speeding away, they ran over her ankle and left her with a lifetime of physical and emotional pain. This is the same woman who said nothing, who could say nothing as her boss and his friends sexually harassed her for years. This is the same woman who married one of those friends.

When my mother views this scene, she sees her daughter overreacting. She sees me “making a big deal out of nothing.” Her concerns lie more in maintaining the status quo and cradling my step-dad’s toxic ego than in protecting the shrinking three-year-old in front of her.

When I view this scene, I am both bolstered and dismayed. My own strength and refusal to keep quiet is the result of hundreds, probably thousands of years of women being mistreated, and their protests ignored. It is the result of watching my own mother suffer quietly at the hands of too many men. It is the result of my own mistreatment and my solemn vow to be part of ending this cycle.

It would be so easy to see a little girl being taught that her wishes don’t matter. That her body is not her own. That even people she loves will mistreat and ignore her. And that all of this is “okay” in the name of other people, men, having fun.

But. What I see instead is a little girl watching her mama. I see a little girl learning that her voice matters. That her wishes matter. I see a little girl learning that she is allowed and expected to say no. I see her learning that this is not okay.

And I hope my mom is learning something, too.

Lisa Norgren is a writer and yoga teacher, raising two outspoken young women in Ann Arbor with her husband and three cats. She enjoys knitting, baking sourdough bread, and smashing the patriarchy one right action at a time.

Thomasina79 · 09/02/2021 21:31

If this is making her cry because of the way he is interacting with her then it is bullying and he should stop. She is only little, he is the adult and should make allowances for her.

reader12 · 09/02/2021 21:31

My FIL is a bit like this but with jokes that are a lot more like put downs and digs than jokes. I hate it and have snapped at him before when I can’t stand it any more. The things he does are kind and thoughtful but the things he says are sometimes quite horrible, without ever being direct. I sometimes notice my DH doing similar kind of mean teasing with our DS and I always call him out on it.

There’s a world of difference between fun teasing and mean teasing and it’s subtle but you know it when you see it. I think it comes from some kind of social anxiety, that they can’t figure out any way of interacting with people other than winding them up. If you sit him down and explain exactly why you don’t like it, and point out the effect it has on his brother too, and that it really has to stop, it might work. Good luck.

snowydaysandholidays · 09/02/2021 21:44

Call me soft but my heart is going out to your little dd op. I very much hope she is okay. She would be far better off without your man in her life. He is could easily break her with his jokes, tickles and disrespect. One day she will grow up and ask you why you put her through it op. Why did he come first?

7catsandcounting · 09/02/2021 21:46

@JamieFrasersAuntie Thank you for that. So much. That really resonates.

OP posts:
7catsandcounting · 09/02/2021 21:49

@snowydaysandholidays He doesn't come first. He never has. He works a lot. Most of her time is with me. I'm going to lay out better boundaries. If he can't change, he's out.

OP posts:
HeidiHaughton · 09/02/2021 21:50

Do you live together?

ScouseQueen · 09/02/2021 21:51

have lots of jokes with DD, but I let her be the more "powerful" one when we're interacting.

@7catsandcounting and @Nanny2many have hit on it. It's about whether your jokes make fun of you or something else, like an inanimate object, or the child. DH is good at this and his joking with kids is always about him getting things wrong or saying something silly so they laugh at him or tell him he's being silly. He doesn't poke fun at them or pretend something has happened to their things like dolls or teddies. That's the difference.

Nanny2many · 09/02/2021 21:57

@ScouseQueen agreed fully. you are your hubby get it

Not all kids care about it but more sensitive ones will always hate being the but of the joke. And for those kids I put the joke on me...... pretend their shoes are mine when we are racing to get out the door, etc its totally me playing the fool and they get to be my straight man (or lady)

Obimumkinobi · 09/02/2021 22:10

One of the "hilarious" bits of Dad fun my DH had with my 7yo DD was when he held both her wrists and repeatedly (albeit gently) bopped her on the nose with her own hands, laughing at her and asking "Why are you hitting yourself?!" She was clearly not enjoying it and before I could intervene, she retaliated using the only free part of her body and headbutted him! He went mad and told her she'd "gone to far!".

I calmly asked him to consider 2 things:

  1. That he was holding her, goading her and laughing at her- not fun for anyone!
  2. A few years earlier he'd told me his DF had done the self same to him when he was a kid and he absolutely hated it!

So much of this type of shit (physical & verbal) is passed off as "just a bit of fun" but dominating kids to the point where they are overwhelmed, will have an impact.

I grew up in a closeknit female family and whilst there was a lot of pisstaking and rough-housing, I don't remember being humiliated in the name of fun, which is probably why I don't feel the need to do this to my DD.

DD is now 11 and we still have constant "bants" and the odd wrestle (which she's definitely got the upper hand in!) but like the OP, I've no intention of letting my DD accept this predominantly male behaviour.