@Handsoffstrikesagain
rose a tip run is just taking your old junk to the local recycling and refuse depot, it’s definitely not exciting 😂 I was just curious about the practicalities for some non drivers.
I personally don’t care either way tbh and it is odd how wound up some people get, but I have seen that from both sides. There was an incredibly rude, smug non-driver poster this morning and yesterday another referred to all drivers as lazy. Certain posters from each side seem desperate to prove that their lifestyles and choices are best. They aren’t. No one is right and it’s daft for anyone to think that they are.
I think the incredibly rude and smug post from the non driver must have been me, regarding the snow.
Yes it was rude and yes it was smug, however my first post or two were balanced and not as such, explaining my personal experience with trying to learn to drive and how despite how hard I tried, how much money I spent, how several professionals that are qualified to say if I'm safe to be driving alone have said I'm not, and how at some point I had to stop and take stock and make a decision to actually accept that it's something I can't master, and make alternative arrangements, such as living somewhere with access to public transport, working somewhere the same. Arranging my life around it
- as most people do when faced with an issue like that in their lives (as did other non drivers), still the superior and negative attitude towards non drivers, and the whole 'You're just kidding yourself" aspect.
Feeling judged morally, like I'm somehow lacking in some kind of fundamental human characteristic that makes me inferior to those with a driving license. Then made to feel lacking and worthless for using public transport, a service provided specifically for getting people from a to b. Like so many other services that are out there to be used by people who want or need them.
I'm not a plumber, should I feel like I'm lacking in some fundamental human characteristic because I call one to do what I can't when I need one?
I was reflecting the attitude being given out by some of the drivers on this thread to non drivers back at them. It wasn't liked, which strengthens my feelings that it's seemingly ok to be derogatory and bitchy towards non drivers, but not the other way around. Telling non drivers that they are limiting their options (like I don't already know!) That I'm entitled and expecting the slack to be picked up by others (bus drivers) and when I point out that actually, drivers do the same but in a different way (me being able to get to work to cover others who can't because they can't get their car out in the snow) it's unacceptable and I'm rude and unreasonable. I'm sorry but that's hypocritical.
As is saying that arranging your life (where you live, where you work, what things you can attend etc) around having a car is fine and normal, and independent, yet doing the same around not being able to drive is infantile and pathetic (the overall gist) and even though I'm the one living this, doing it day in and day out, actually I'm wrong, deluded and they don't 'buy' it.
It's the same thing, just coming from different aspects.
My comment to @SparklingBrook may have been out of order, regarding being unreasonable to not live somewhere that you can access public transport if you get snowed in so you can get to work, and for that I apologise.
In hindsight I could have explained what I was getting at better and without the sarcasm, however the point still stands.
If I'm entitled and unreasonable to not drive at all because of the effect this has on others, then not making contingency plans for when you can't drive, should be seen the same way.
Things that drivers take for granted, like not going to work because their local roads are unsafe is seemingly acceptable, relying on colleagues to cover because you can't get in is fine. Yet relying on a bus service is not acceptable for a non driver?
Arranging your life around being able to drive is acceptable, but saying you arrange your life around not being able to drive is not, because the other person can't see how they could do it in their particular circumstances, therefore it can't happen?
I have no beef with drivers, they have mastered a skill I can't, that's not their fault. But this utter insistence that not driving creates insurmountable issues is ridiculous. It doesn't, myself and quite a few others have said how it doesn't, how we arrange our lives as such and been summarily dismissed. And mocked.
When you reflect that back, to highlight how ridiculous it is, it becomes suddenly unreasonable and out of order. Double standards.
Like I said in a pp, 30 odd pages of mainly a derogatory and mocking attitude towards non drivers, and a pile on when a non driver turns the tables. That speaks absolute volumes.
Drivers are expecting to be respected because they arrange their lives around their personal circumstances (having a car) while being patronising towards non drivers who do the same. That's what I have challenged.