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Marilyn Manson

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Lychee234 · 03/02/2021 21:00

Just wondered what people's thoughts were following the allegations.
I do think it's awful he's effectively been sacked from all employment before having been found guilty of any allegations.

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Beebityboo · 03/02/2021 22:11

He's been dropped because the chickens have come home to roost and those that have enabled his disgusting behaviour for literal decades are scattering. I never really grew out of my goth phase and was a fan when I was young, but his autobiography completely revolted me. He has a disgusting attitude to women and seems to be incredibly immature.
The worst part about this is he has been talking about his abuse of women in interviews for YEARS, that he has a "naughty room" in an old dance studio that is soundproofed where he puts his girlfriends if they're "bad". He has blatantly admitted to fantasising about smashing Evan Rachel Woods "head in with a sledgehammer" as well as other, really disturbing things. So many of his music videos involve young thin women being drowned and the intro to his old website was a clear video of him punching Evan Rachel Wood in the face, leaving her with a bloody nose. This was there for ages, for everyone to see. Somewhere along the line he managed to convince people he was really an intelligent, misunderstood artist when really he's just been a pathetic, abusive psychopath the entire time. He got away with it because he is famous, tale as old as time. I hope he sees justice.
I really think some truly, truly twisted things will come out from all of this, and I think Depp is going to get dragged in also.

OhWhyNot · 03/02/2021 22:19

Good. Like his friend JD he started to loose his appeal his management are not so keen to work at keeping his secrets secret anymore and women are at last being listened to (to a degree) I wish it was purely down to women being listened too

There will be others that will be exposed as abusive nasty misogynists sadly it is more likely to be once they have passed their peak in what they are financially worth it never seems to be when they are at the top of their game

lastqueenofscotland · 03/02/2021 22:27

I was a fan in my teens but really went off him. His attitude to women is horrific, and that’s the side he was happy to show to the public.
I think the fact that Rose McGowan has announced publicly she supports ERW is very telling.

He’s got away with a lot by virtue of not really being at all relevant since Columbine, which, to be fair, he came across incredibly well over, so that’s what people remember.

FoxyTheFox · 03/02/2021 22:27

I personally think whatever happened was consensual

ERW has said she woke up to him raping what he believed to be her unconscious body. Do please explain how someone consents to rape?

Beebityboo · 03/02/2021 22:48

The columbine thing that people always bring up really, really irritates me. Those little shits wouldn't have done anything differently if they had been "listened to" as Marilyn Manson says in the interview, which was neither particularly deep or insightful. At least one of those boys came from an incredibly loving and supportive home. There is this mythos he has managed to create of himself that just isn't the reality of who the man really is.

I was at a rock concert in my early teens when a minor celebrity tried to get me to go backstage to a "party", luckily my mum was there (but hanging out at the bar so she wouldn't cramp my style) and for obvious reasons, didn't allow her fifteen year old daughter to go back stage. The whole thing massively upsets me now as he was very skeevy and insistent, it's so easy to think of all of the girls who did go back stage at these sorts of shows, how impressionable and vulnerable they were and are (remember Ian Watkins?) .

ConstantlySeekingHappiness · 03/02/2021 22:49

I personally think whatever happened was consensual

I’d love to know why you think that when the women involved are saying it wasn’t.

Do you somehow know more than them?

Beebityboo · 03/02/2021 22:54

Sorry Lastqeen, that wasn't me attacking you by the way, it just seems to be the moment that his "sensitive artist" persona started to be created when it's been clear for years and years (particularly the last 10-15) that he is an abusive drug addict. It just upsets me people like him were able to get away with it for so long. So many stories of "rock stars" just behaving so repulsively for years but they somehow managed to escape the me too movement for the most part, hopefully the tide is turning.
The fact that Manson is Lilly-Rose Depp's godfather speaks volumes about Jonny Depp really, as did his texts about wanting to burn Amber Herd alive and violate her dead body. What a cesspit these people live in!

FrostyChocolateMilkshake · 03/02/2021 22:58

Love Marilyn. Awesome artist, awesome music.

IMO opinion it is unfair that he has been dropped before being found guilty.

However, if it is all true, then yeah, it's abuse and it is horrific.

Innocent til proven guilty in my eyes.

HellonHeels · 03/02/2021 22:59

@Washimal

I am so sick people bleating "what happened to innocent until proven guilty?" in relation to this story. He hasn't been thrown in jail, he's just lost a record deal! His label shouldn't need a high court judgement to decide they don't want a business relationship with him anymore.

I'll save my sympathy for the many, many women and girls whose lives are ruined by male violence before I worry about poor Marilyn Manson's loss of earnings.

This!
Thewiseoneincognito · 03/02/2021 23:00

Hidden in plain sight.

Duckberg · 03/02/2021 23:02

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CSIblonde · 03/02/2021 23:09

The Burlesque star Dita Von Teese has been very quiet in all this. When they dated a while back, she was forever saying he was a sweetheart & loved making cupcakes with her..... I'm now wondering if she was being sarcastic . It didn't convince me at the time: & they made an odd couple .

Girlyracer · 03/02/2021 23:10

I'm astounded what those women saw in him. Like chalk and cheese!

gingganggooleywotsit · 03/02/2021 23:11

I loved his music in my teens/early 20s..honestly thought his persona was all a sort of edgy act..very creepy that he appeared to become this horrific character he played. So many of these horrible drug addled middle aged men around, no wonder him and JD are friends. Like pathetic teenagers who never grew up. I’m very glad these women have been brave enough to come forward.

Puppylucky · 03/02/2021 23:14

19 is very different from 14 or 15. People use teenager as a catch all emotive term to imply exploitation of children, when really they are talking about young women. This infantilisation of women isn't healthy as it assumes that no one below 25+ has any agency for their actions. You see this replayed with young women who are unable to function as adults without significant input from their parents. Not healthy.

Beebityboo · 03/02/2021 23:14

@CSIblonde

The Burlesque star Dita Von Teese has been very quiet in all this. When they dated a while back, she was forever saying he was a sweetheart & loved making cupcakes with her..... I'm now wondering if she was being sarcastic . It didn't convince me at the time: & they made an odd couple .
This isn't entirely accurate. She has been very cold on him since she left as he quite blatantly cheated on her with the 19 year old Evan Rachel Wood. She also left in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve after a horrible "incident" that she's never elaborated on. To leave like that on Christmas Eve I imagine it was pretty horrible. There are also lots of rumours he could barely participate in their wedding as he was so drunk. I also think it odd that people seem to think that if a man hasn't abused all his partners, that he then can't be guilty of abusing any of them. This stuck out a lot in the Depp case. Dita was mature, intelligent and successful, he wouldn't have been able to manipulate her like he could a teenager.
gingganggooleywotsit · 03/02/2021 23:16

@Puppylucky bollocks he was at least 20 years older..a man of that age hanging around a teenager has no good intentions and is bound to be manipulative. I’ve been there I know.

Beebityboo · 03/02/2021 23:18

He was 18 years older than Wood at the time they got together, so not a small age gap. Of course she had agency but when you take the age difference, his fame and his status, it creates a very unhealthy dynamic. She has also claimed he used sleep deprivation and forced drugs on her to keep her pliable, a story that lines up with many of the other women's accusations who all say more or less the same things about his methods.

tttigress · 03/02/2021 23:20

I hate all of that stuff about him just projecting an image, just playing a part, being very clever and artistic. Can think of others who hide behind this sort of thing.

RE: the murky world of teenagers at concerts. I would say there is a lot of stuff that goes on in the rock scene (and probably other scenes, but I was into rock), with a lot of older guys hanging out with much younger (like 14/15) year old girls. I was saying something similar on a thread the other day about much older guys at the sixth form college that never seemed to leave. Really gives me the creeps looking back.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/02/2021 23:23

I think its awful that he has effectively boasted about his behaviour and has been held up as some sort of groundbreaking, edgy hero whos just pushing the boundaries.

Yes, absolutely.

B33Fr33 · 03/02/2021 23:24

But of course any actively abusive person would be drawn to a subculture that glorifies kinks and S&M behaviours. Personally I stepped away from one of those "quirky" sub cultures when I realised how many were using it to their abusive advantage, the ruse is that you consent. But what's consent with hero worship? What is consent to a teen trying to fit in and find their identity?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/02/2021 23:26

But of course any actively abusive person would be drawn to a subculture that glorifies kinks and S&M behaviours.

This is what people try to deny.

tttigress · 03/02/2021 23:30

@B33Fr33

But of course any actively abusive person would be drawn to a subculture that glorifies kinks and S&M behaviours. Personally I stepped away from one of those "quirky" sub cultures when I realised how many were using it to their abusive advantage, the ruse is that you consent. But what's consent with hero worship? What is consent to a teen trying to fit in and find their identity?
I know a couple that got into the s&m/ sex club scene in there early 20s, I'm sure they just did it to seem edgy / interesting (though they did end up with a few funny stories about older guys watching them have sex).

There are some pretty sick people in that scene, I would not say in most cases, it is someone that is a bit "quirky".

AIMD · 03/02/2021 23:32

Usually I agree with “innocent until being proven guilty”. As the statute of limitations had passed for ERW I suppose she’ll never get the opportunity to see him found guilty.

However there are some situations where there are so many people speaking and and terming similar stories that it would be ridiculous to continue to think it was at least very likely they were guilty.

I think when the situation includes a wealthy powerful individual who had abused multiple people then ‘going public’ is sometimes the only way to bring them down.

AIMD · 03/02/2021 23:33

Also am I the only one thinking we should be referring to him as Brian? Calling him Marilyn mason feels like buying into his bullshit persona when really he’s just abusive disgusting old Brian.