Marilyn Manson

[Lychee234]

Just wondered what people's thoughts were following the allegations.
I do think it's awful he's effectively been sacked from all employment before having been found guilty of any allegations.

Haven't heard daft melt as an insult before. Am adopting it.

he’s absolutely fucking revolting. I read his autobiography years ago and was pretty shocked at the abuse he openly admitted to

This is a disturbing read

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and I didn't know thst about Eminem

Haven't heard daft melt as an insult before. Am adopting it

You are welcome to it, its pretty ubiquitous here in Liverpool, nevertheless I am fond of it.

On the subject of non reporting; believe me, there are more empowered, educated and established individuals than a fifteen year old girl who, unfortunately are still cowed in to keeping their mouths shut.

May I suggest that you stop going after those with the least agency to make changes and actually avail yourself of the bigger picture of endemic abuse within elite circles.

Then you might not embarrass yourself quite so much on a public forum.

@ZednotZee

Haven't heard daft melt as an insult before. Am adopting it

You are welcome to it, its pretty ubiquitous here in Liverpool, nevertheless I am fond of it.

On the subject of non reporting; believe me, there are more empowered, educated and established individuals than a fifteen year old girl who, unfortunately are still cowed in to keeping their mouths shut.

May I suggest that you stop going after those with the least agency to make changes and actually avail yourself of the bigger picture of endemic abuse within elite circles.

Then you might not embarrass yourself quite so much on a public forum.

So perfectly put. Thank you.

Can I just add, I was sexually assaulted by someone who is fairly prominent in the LA music scene (not a performer but works with them) when I was in my early twenties. That's the first time I have ever said that. I've never even told my husband, and I can only say it here because I'm typing it rather than saying it aloud.

I've only admitted it to myself recently. It took me over a decade to be able to do so. Why? Because I willingly went to his hotel room. I consented to sex. So for years, I thought, well, I went there willingly. It must be my fault.

Except I didn't agree to being suffocated, strangled, slapped in the face, and tbh I'm not going to continue because it could be triggering for a lot of people.

So to all the defenders of men like this, did I deserve it? Was I stupid? Yes. Was I caught up in how cool it was to 'come backstage and meet the band'? Yes. Does that make me cringe now? Absolutely. None of that means that I deserved to be held down and terrified and treated as a toy by a man twice my age, who clearly got off on the power.

@InsideOfEmptiness - for you.

@ZednotZee not sure if your report comment was aimed at me? If it wasn't all good..If it was, those comments weren't me.

InsideOfEmptiness

You know what? I really hope that it was cathartic for you in some way to post that. Fuck the 'man' that did that to you. How dare he? You didn't consent.

And tbh lots of us have been there, and that very fact doesn't detract from the sheer depravity of these individuals, its just a sad indictment of mankind.

I'm here, in solidarity with you and all the other young girls who realised too late exactly what happened to us

Mybeautifulwinycette

Oh no, apologies. The 'on the subject of non reporting' was not in reply to you at all.

I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

The comments were to PTH20.

I hope she reads them.

Thank you so much, @iklboo. Tbh I was in two minds about posting that. For a few reasons. It's scary to put this shit into words, it makes it real. And because there's always the fear of being told that you brought it on yourself. And because I really didn't want to take other womens' braveness and pain and make it all about about me.

I just hope though, that it might help some people understand why speaking out can be so difficult and frightening.

InsideOfEmptiness

I believe you.

What happened was not your fault in any way

Insideofemptiness no, you didn't consent to be assaulted. Take care.

Thanks for clearing up Zed.

I believe you @InsideOfEmptiness. I'm an abuse survivor from my ex partner. It's not easy to realise it was never your fault.

@PTH20

I find some of these viewpoints justifying non reporting of violent sexual crimes so abhorrent

Do you not understand the concept of grooming? That people can be coerced into thinking they were a willing participant and sometimes only years later fully understand they were manipulated.

I find sexual abuse abhorrent. A teenage girl hearing a story about someone "shagging" a rockstar and not realising until years later the reality of what happened doesn't seem abhorrent to me. It's why teens are particularly vulnerable; they don't see themselves as kids or easily manipulated. They see themselves as adults but they don't always have enough experience of the world to make good judgement calls ie realising that what someone is describing isn't a one night stand it's rape. The fault lies with the abuser not the teenager who couldn't quite grasp what they were hearing.

He still has the chance to clear his name in court, should he so wish.

It doesn't seem like he'll be able to but he has the opportunity.

Oh God. Thank you all. Fuck, now I can't stop crying, but yes it was cathartic. 13 years worth of weight off my shoulders.

I'm really sorry @ZednotZee and @iklboo that ye have been there too. Fucking awful, isn't it, how you think you're over it and then it just gets into your head again and again, out of nowhere.

@InsideOfEmptiness

I'm standing with you, along with the other women who have offered their support. Offering a shoulder and an ear should you ever need it.

I'm so sorry it happened to you. It's so hard to describe the way it makes you feel. I still struggle today to put it into words.

I'm so sorry, @InsideOfEmptiness. You didn't deserve it. Nobody could deserve it. I'm so sorry it happened to you. What is wrong with these men? You still have your soul, he doesn't.

InsideOfEmptiness

Oh love cry your fucking heart out if you need to.
Get that weight off your shoulders.

Too many of us went through this shit. I was sixteen with a twenty eight year old and I married the fucker, jesus christ!

I dunno, there's strength in numbers I suppose, message me anytime, I mean I don't know if I'll be helpful but I'm here

Thank you, @PlinkPlink. Right back at you. And I'm so very sorry it happened to you too.

I know, putting it into words is so fucking difficult. I don't know if I'll ever be able to explain how it made me feel. Worthless, I guess. And empty.

Interesting that 10 women can accuse one man of assault, and they aren't believed, one man accuses 10 women of lying and its enough to cast instant doubt on the women though.

So fucking true. Pretty much anything women try to do to counterbalance the structural inequalities against us will cause some to argue that it’s not reasonable to change because a man might be treated unfairly as a result. Underlying it is the unspoken belief that ongoing structural unfairness to women is preferable to potential unfairness to the odd man.

The statistics on ringing rapists to trial and then for a successful are grim, so I don't blame anyone for not reporting it. Victims are not treated well in court either, although I hope that is improving with better education.

Apparently 98% of rapists go free with no subsequent trial or prison sentence. Are 98% of women lying? It's utterly disgraceful that women are allowed to suffer like this. A family member experienced marital rape and nothing was done about it.