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Friend went snooping

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Sunnyshades5 · 30/01/2021 02:04

I'm really close to a man who's changed his whole life around in the last year! He went through years of struggle that led to bad choices and he ended up in hospital. I won't go into huge details.

He's months and months sober.
Earning good money and working 5-6 solid days a week.
He's rescued a dog as part of his recovery. The dog gives him something positive and keeps him company.
He's skilled in what he does and is always getting offers for work. He's popular and seems to be supported alot. He also reaches out to anyone struggling and offers to tell them how he did it. He often gets contacted because he really has turned around.

We didn't plan to become close. But we met through a friend and developed an instant friendship. We are several months into a really close friendship. It's cups of tea and conversations. I can call him anytime. He can call me. We catch up everyday and once life resumes more we will probably go out and about places. Overall he's just lovely and I think the world of him. We help eachother with anything the other can't do.

I know his story. He's told me all the details. Why it happened. What happened. How it ended. He also told me part of his recovery is to be honest about his past. He told me he was terrified of meeting new people and opening up. But he felt safe talking to me and I know it was a massive thing telling me.

My best friend was curious about him as we've been close a while now. So I told her all his good points. Told her he's had some struggles and kept his story private mostly.

She went digging. I think her heart was in the right place. But her husband works in the same Industry and she sent him to work to dig out info. She then text me to ask if I was free for a walk.

I went to meet her. She asked to see his photo. Then she told me her husband had found out he's a p**s head. He's done this and that. She told me everything he had openly told me. I thanked her for caring. Told her he's not hiding anything. He's told me in detail everything she just said. I then said all I can say is he's like this now. He's turned his life around. He didn't want to be that person. He didn't enjoy being that person. He's trying to lead a normal life now and whilst I can't say he never will relapse he's currently living a normal life.

I'm just upset with it. People love gossip. People find it so easy to judge. To Tear someone to pieces. I fully expected one day my friend would meet him. But now she's made me feel like she's written him off. I just feel she had no right to snoop. Go fishing for information. Go discussing me with men who do not know me. What if it gets back to my friend. How is he supposed to feel?

How would you feel? I do understand people would have seen him when he was poorly and that will be their view on him. But I still feel my friend had no right.

OP posts:
MRex · 30/01/2021 07:21

She's a good friend who was worried about you. You're putting far too much trust into someone who may present a danger to you and minimising the issues by describing him as having been "poorly" instead of being an out of control dangerous addict. Being sober for a couple of months is easy, it's staying sober forever that's where most people fall down. Don't risk the relationship with your friend, you're quite likely to need her before this all plays out.

Oilyoilyoilgob · 30/01/2021 07:22

Have you posted this before? The story is the same including him getting a dog?

I’d say your friend did it out of worry for you, whether she was right or wrong isn’t for me to decide but I do think she was looking out for you in this.

Wandavision · 30/01/2021 07:24

You also need to take on board that the 'truth' that they're relating might not be the full picture. It's very easy to feel empathy towards an individual who may state; 'my partner cheated, we then became estranged, I was working long hours, my friends encouraged me to socialise, I felt lonely, I then started drinking more, at that point u couldn't stop, and now I can't see my child unsupervised, it's my ex's fault!'. Of course that reads black and white and you'd be wtf? You've made your own choices?!... But there's many a person with an addiction with some similar story to tell whilst absolving their own part in it and being creative with the details.

PurpleFlower1983 · 30/01/2021 07:29

Your friend is looking out for you and it sounds like you need it. He may well be a changed man but tread carefully.

Bellofbelfastcity · 30/01/2021 07:31

Your friend is just looking out for you.

Your new friend is very unlikely to stay sober in the long term. Only a small number of alcoholics manage to do this.

Bellofbelfastcity · 30/01/2021 07:32

The met and close friendship quickly is also exactly what addicts do. It’s how they manipulate people. They’re very skilled at it.

Imworthit · 30/01/2021 07:37

You have put him on a pedestal. That’s not a good sign.

Your friend was only doing what most would and telling you what they heard/found out cause your version didn’t add up. Take it under advisement & decide for yourself.

MRex · 30/01/2021 07:39

@Oilyoilyoilgob
Have you posted this before?

I thought it looked familiar, but if I recall correctly that one said the guy had been violent towards his ex.

LaVieEnDoze · 30/01/2021 07:40

Your friend was showing care and concern for you.

As you didn't mention his past, she was afraid you didn't know and it sounds like she wanted you to have all the information and have your eyes open.

It's great that he'd already told you the truth and hopefully your friend will see over time through this actions that he really has turned over a new leaf if that is the case as you say.

I would expect that he is used to people being sceptical and wary to begin with because, generally speaking, your best predictor of future behaviour is past actions and I expect part of his recovery is to be gracious about that and accept he has to show people he's changed rather than demand they take it on trust from the get-go.

Don't be cross with your friend - be glad you have people in your life who care for your well-being, even if you feel it's unnecessary concern in this case.

HappyFlamingo · 30/01/2021 07:43

It sounds like he did a really bad thing OP. You haven't said what he did, but just because he told you about it himself doesn't make it all fine and he'll never do it or anything like it again. Your friend found out what he did, assumed you didn't know and felt it was important that you knew. Yes OK, maybe she shouldn't have been snooping in the first place but once she found out I think she did the right thing to tell you. She's on your side OP.

As for this man, please tread carefully. I really hope he has turned it all around. But if I was your friend I would feel worried about you.

Did he commit DV or another serious crime? That would be a red line for me.

JemimaRacktool · 30/01/2021 07:45

I think it boils down to if you think your friend did this digging for the gossip factor or out of genuine concern.

Either way I would reserve judgement on both these people in your life. Take a slight step back from both of them, paint on a sunny smile and go about your life on a wait and see basis. Everything will look different with the passage of time.

I have learned to take with a pinch of salt most things people say to me and I include friends in this. Be your own best friend, protect yourself and let it all slide. You will know what is at the heart of both of them with a period of watchful waiting.

Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 07:48

I think you also have a child op? If so you need to be extra cautious. Have you introduced this man to your child?

You’re clearly hoping for more and excited about the prospect of it, and sometimes if we are lonely we can focus too much on trying to get that happy ever after and ignore the red flags

Your friend is not to blame here. This man is who he is. It would be very different if this was someone who was long term sober. But it’s not. We all hope he gets there, but the truth are the odds are against him and this is very early.

With alcoholism comes other issues often, low level crime, poverty, homelessness in some instances and even significant mental health issues. All of which take time to resolve.

He was not just “poorly” and it’s silly to say so. So exercising huge caution is important at this stage and your friend was right to try to help, specifically because you were not honest snd tried to make him look good.

AnnaSW1 · 30/01/2021 07:51

She's done nothing wrong.

Dee1975 · 30/01/2021 07:59

You are not being unreasonable by being upset, but your friend was just looking out for you with good intentions.

changingmine · 30/01/2021 08:00

It is a miracle anyone can move on with their life given the number of people invested in kicking them down.

Your friend is a typical, gossip-driven self important (and I will also bet that she is white privilege plus) who actively prevents other people from living with dignity. Awful self righteous behaviour.

You sound like a lovely person.

BombyliusMajor · 30/01/2021 08:06

Your friend is worried about you, OP. Read your post back. You talk like he’s the Messiah. That is not the basis of a solid friendship / relationship on equal and realistic terms.

AlwaysCheddar · 30/01/2021 08:10

Yabu as he is only months sober, made easier possibly due to lockdowns. There going to be a big temptation when pubs open and has more normality. You are jumping in too quick. You don’t know this guy.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 30/01/2021 08:12

[quote MRex]@Oilyoilyoilgob
Have you posted this before?

I thought it looked familiar, but if I recall correctly that one said the guy had been violent towards his ex.[/quote]
Possibly why that information has been left out this time.

Moondust001 · 30/01/2021 08:16

She sounds like a good friend and you are being silly. You admit that you told her only the good stuff about him and none of the rest. If you gushed half as much to her as you did here, then of course she might be curious, and a little protective. And perhaps he has changed, but he can also change back.

It took courage to tell you her concerns. She was right that you were entitled to know about these issues and you hadn't told her that you knew. It isn't about judging him - it is about sticking up for her friend.

SummerBlondey · 30/01/2021 08:17

I would run as fast as possible form this guy. FAR too much drama, so early on. Disaster!

Porridgeoat · 30/01/2021 08:17

You’re making it into a bigger thing then it is. You label it as gossip but it’s just your friend looking out for you and people naturally sharing their experience of this man out of concern for you. There were no secrets shared, just acknowledgment of historic issues. He can change his reputation but it takes time and commitment. He will get there if he sticks at it.

Hottielottie · 30/01/2021 08:21

Why are you so overly invested in this man? He is an adult & doesn't need all the fuss you are making over him. If you have no intention of anything romantically happening you need to cool it as you are giving him mixed signals. If I was your friend I would be concerned also regarding his past. You've been way too trusting here op.

Mrgrinch · 30/01/2021 08:22

She sounds like a real, genuine and caring friend. Not many of those around so don't let go of her over some bloke. She showed she cared about you and did everything in a nice way.

whiteroseredrose · 30/01/2021 08:24

Your friend is being a good friend and looking out for you.

Your faith in your new friend is lovely and you are being supportive. I really hope it works out for you both.

However, be prepared that people rarely change and there is a danger he could end up slipping back into his old ways and take you with him.

My DSis fell for a manipulative charmer. He had a 'difficult' past but had turned his life around. She was furious when anyone expressed doubts about him and became very defensive. She believed him not his exes and it ended up costing her a fortune. He drained her financially just as he had his exes. In the end it took months (and her two large brothers) to get him out of her house. With hindsight she is devastated that she fell for his fake charm and that he has swallowed up the money that she had but aside for her young daughter's future.

She was very vulnerable at the time and he took advantage of that ( as he had previously with other women). He told her his side of each story with enough detail about his wrongdoings that she believed him.

I'd just say, be careful and grateful that your friend cares. She may be the one to help you pick up the pieces when it all goes wrong.

2Rebecca · 30/01/2021 08:26

I agree the friend is just concerned about you. I also agree that this man is still centring alcohol in his life and if he is to stay sober needs to find other things to be enthusiastic and motivated about other than no longer being an alcoholic.

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