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Friend went snooping

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Sunnyshades5 · 30/01/2021 02:04

I'm really close to a man who's changed his whole life around in the last year! He went through years of struggle that led to bad choices and he ended up in hospital. I won't go into huge details.

He's months and months sober.
Earning good money and working 5-6 solid days a week.
He's rescued a dog as part of his recovery. The dog gives him something positive and keeps him company.
He's skilled in what he does and is always getting offers for work. He's popular and seems to be supported alot. He also reaches out to anyone struggling and offers to tell them how he did it. He often gets contacted because he really has turned around.

We didn't plan to become close. But we met through a friend and developed an instant friendship. We are several months into a really close friendship. It's cups of tea and conversations. I can call him anytime. He can call me. We catch up everyday and once life resumes more we will probably go out and about places. Overall he's just lovely and I think the world of him. We help eachother with anything the other can't do.

I know his story. He's told me all the details. Why it happened. What happened. How it ended. He also told me part of his recovery is to be honest about his past. He told me he was terrified of meeting new people and opening up. But he felt safe talking to me and I know it was a massive thing telling me.

My best friend was curious about him as we've been close a while now. So I told her all his good points. Told her he's had some struggles and kept his story private mostly.

She went digging. I think her heart was in the right place. But her husband works in the same Industry and she sent him to work to dig out info. She then text me to ask if I was free for a walk.

I went to meet her. She asked to see his photo. Then she told me her husband had found out he's a p**s head. He's done this and that. She told me everything he had openly told me. I thanked her for caring. Told her he's not hiding anything. He's told me in detail everything she just said. I then said all I can say is he's like this now. He's turned his life around. He didn't want to be that person. He didn't enjoy being that person. He's trying to lead a normal life now and whilst I can't say he never will relapse he's currently living a normal life.

I'm just upset with it. People love gossip. People find it so easy to judge. To Tear someone to pieces. I fully expected one day my friend would meet him. But now she's made me feel like she's written him off. I just feel she had no right to snoop. Go fishing for information. Go discussing me with men who do not know me. What if it gets back to my friend. How is he supposed to feel?

How would you feel? I do understand people would have seen him when he was poorly and that will be their view on him. But I still feel my friend had no right.

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KatyClaire · 30/01/2021 05:22

I don’t think anyone in this scenario has really been unreasonable. Your make friend is doing well on his sober journey and is to be congratulated for the progress he has made. You sound like a kind and supportive person. Your female friend is just looking out for you because she cares. I don’t think there is anything to be concerned about.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 30/01/2021 05:24

I'm a bit torn on this - sounds like she was worried you were getting too involved with him and would end up getting hurt, so her snooping and snitching was done from a place of care for you - but on the other hand, she's set her DH on to find out as much as he can about your friend, which could cause ripples in his employment, which I feel is very unfair.

I do agree that you need to be cautious with this man - not make any long term plans around him - because he is obviously an alcoholic and, as has been said, "months" is not a long time to have not had a drink.
If it were "years and years", that would be a different story - but less than a year - nah.

Don't be too hard on your friend but don't tell her anything else much about your new friend either.

KatyClaire · 30/01/2021 05:26

*male not make

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/01/2021 05:30

@Becstar90

What's all this sober a year bullshit? YOU op are the good friend. Your bestfriend sounds like a typical gossip. Who sends their husband into work to find out about another employee. This poor man, hits a bump in the road and apparently his sobriety means f all unless it's for 12 months. I met a woman a few years ago who was a month sober at the time, we became close quickly, she had relapsed just before it and I spent hrs listening to her troubles and I was happy to do so because I knew she could do it, she had already done it for a month!! Amazing. Before that she drank everyday all day. Guess what she's now one of my best friends, married, has a beautiful little girl and couldn't be happier. People can turn their life around and a year sober is not a magic amount of time to celebrate or be fully devoted to them. People make mistakes, keep being that good friend that you are because you sound like such a great support for this man. I highly doubt if he was a she your friend would have done the same thing, ridiculous.
According to the recovery village.com, less than 20% of alcoholics get to one year without a relapse. This rises to 60% staying sober after 2 years. It sounds great that your friend has turned her life around but even she had a relapse within the first month and you aren’t recognising this. And here you are on the internet with your anecdote of someone, who didn’t defy the initial 12 month sober statistics stating the stats bollocks.

Okay Hmm

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/01/2021 05:35

I imagine that the relapse rate in the first year is because not drinking right now is the new obsession. I think I could also say the new addiction to fill the void. It isn’t until a person becomes sober for a long time that it becomes an embedded way of life.

Your friend is only looking out for you op. Step back a little otherwise you will get very hurt and embroiled if he doesn’t make it. Be very careful as well. Right now you sound like his emotional crutch. This may not be the best place to be as you run the risk of him no longer needing that crutch if he does succeed.

Boundaries.

Letsallscreamatthesistene · 30/01/2021 05:41

Tbh none of what shes dug up is a suprise, is it? He's already told you his past and all your friends done is confirm it. Thats not a big deal. I think shes trying to look out for you, albeit in a clumsy way.

Its great you have a friendship with this man. Dont expect it to be all plain sailing though. Recovery from addiction is often long and tricky.

ShastaBeast · 30/01/2021 05:51

If he’s only a friend it is unreasonable for her to do this. I’m surprised her husband agreed to do it.

If he’s a potential boyfriend then I’d understand her actions and see her as a protective friend looking out for you.

I tend to keep friends at arms length, so minimal damage would be possible vs a relationship. When a friend started seeing an ex addict I only advised against it based on his actions towards her, not based on former behaviour beforehand. We all deserve second chances, just go in with your eyes open.

Angelofdeath · 30/01/2021 05:55

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PinkyParrot · 30/01/2021 06:01

Does it matter - he has the past he has. Is he wanting it kept secret? That is unlikely to happen.
Just carry on your friendship, accept he will be gossiped about.

speakout · 30/01/2021 06:05

I am guessing this guy has cmomitted a crime maybe?

Sounds like you have a friend who cares about you OP.

Eeeemac · 30/01/2021 06:09

I not a number!

This is a human being not a statistic. We have so much information today but it seems we know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

This is your life, you make the decisions and ignore the ever growing contagion of people who think they know better.

NerrSnerr · 30/01/2021 06:11

I think your friend is looking out for you. It is clearly more than just drinking, he has done things when drunk. Please be careful if they involve violence. He may be the greatest guy when sober but if you're thinking of embarking on a relationship there is a real chance you may need to deal with the drunk side of him.

I have grown up in a family of alcoholics and it's tough to be around them. I would welcome someone warning me of someone's alcoholic past so I can make informed choices about my future (she wasn't to know he'd already told you).

VegemiteIsToasty · 30/01/2021 06:28

@Eeeemac

I not a number!

This is a human being not a statistic. We have so much information today but it seems we know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

This is your life, you make the decisions and ignore the ever growing contagion of people who think they know better.

Huh?

Although growing contagion yep so true 😂😷🤭

mathanxiety · 30/01/2021 06:41

Be careful with this man, OP.

You seem to be very flattered that he has opened up so much, that he has felt safe with you. He has explicitly told you that opening up is hard for him.

You seem to have spent a year without talking much to your friend about him. Did you have misgivings about introducing him to your circle of friends, even remotely or in conversation, that have made you keep him all to yourself?

I suspect your friend thinks you're in love with this man and in danger of missing red flags.

Don't lose this friend. I think she has your back.

SmeleanorSmellstrop · 30/01/2021 06:44

I can see both sides. Your friend was looking out for you. I wouldn't mention it to her again as addicts can and do relapse and it could end really badly and you might end up really needing your best friend. On the other hand I do think recovering addicts need support and non-judgement and I think its lovely that you're giving that to him. Neither you nor you best friend are in the wrong - she is right to have concerns where an addict is involved and you are also right to support him if your gut tells you he is trustworthy.

Thingsdogetbetter · 30/01/2021 06:50

His addict is still the centre of his life. He's focused on it, taking about it in detail, reaching out to others to help. He's in recovery, but it's still his obsession. He's buzzing from not drinking, instead of drinking. He feeds that buzz by talking about it - to you like an unofficial AA sponsor, to others like himself as a guru of recovery. That means he still needs a buzz to feel good. The danger is if the recovery buzz goes, what will he replace it with? Or will he continue focusing on his recovery forever to get the buzz?

You feel special because he says he can open up to you. You're honoured, and feel like you're needed. But you're not the only one - what do you think he's talking to the people who contact him for help about? He's not trained to help others, to be focused on him rather than himself. I guarantee he's telling them everything detail of his drinking life and how he's recovering. He's being a guru not a sponsor to them.

What happens if he's still obsessed about his recovery in a year's time, or three. Are you still willing to have this one sided friendship where you listen, praise and support, and he treats you like his own personal AA meeting? What happens if you take your focus away from him and his need to keep his recovery buzz alive? If you want to discuss your life for half an hour? Will he be able to cope? Will you still be useful to him?

Thingsdogetbetter · 30/01/2021 06:52

...to be focus on THEM rather than himself. Doh

makingmammaries · 30/01/2021 06:54

What rescue centre gives a dog to someone who works “5-6 solid days a week”?

AuntieMarys · 30/01/2021 06:57

Do you have children?

Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 06:58

She was not aware you knew the full extent of his problems and tried to help you. He is an alcoholic so there is always a risk. You’re putting a huge amount of faith in him and wish to prioritise him when in reality you should keep your friends too and be cautious.

I get the Impression you’re embarrassed she now knows becayse you’d bigged him up and talked about his good points, when in reality he’s only months sober.

Trying to hide who he is from even your best friend doesn’t bode well op.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 30/01/2021 06:58

You're lucky to have a friend that cares about you so much.

Your new 'friend'. It sounds like he's doing well & is on the right path, but it's very early days. He shouldn't be relying on you the way he is, you shouldn't be letting him. If he ends up drinking again it'll all be your fault. You're too emotionally invested in his life already. You're his latest crutch.

RobinWoodPrinceofLeaves · 30/01/2021 07:01

This is what a good friend is for and what they should do. You are obviously in the fog of a new relationship and think the sun shines out of his bottom (not meaning this derogatory - it’s a normal phase - he is on his best behaviour with you) - so she has decided to take a clear headed approach to investigate his past - which she thought maybe he hasn’t told you.

She’s not telling you what to do - just arming you with information to do what you think is best.

It’s positive he has been honest, and hopefully everything will turn out well. I’d be a bit worried that the relationship is moving really fast and that he is replacing one addiction with another. No harm in slowing things down a little is there?

AnnaFiveTowns · 30/01/2021 07:08

Off topic but I hope he takes the rescue dog with him or wfh when he's doing his 5 - 6 days a week.

Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 07:09

Also your words are minimising “seen him when he was poorly”. Is a very benign way of describing this. Or saying she was tearing him to pieces when she was factually saying what he was /had done. And how and why would it “get back to him” ,,and what’s the issue if it does. It’s not a secret he’s an alcoholic.

And the fact you went so long without telling your best friend about him shows you yourself had concerns

I really hope his recovery sticks. But sadly it’s likely not thr first time and he is not long term sober. But being pissed at your friend because you only wanted her to know the good stuff about him and not the truth is not healthy. For her husband to know and be able to easily find out it must have been very serious indeed.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 30/01/2021 07:16

You say yourself her heart was in the right place.

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