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Friend went snooping

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Sunnyshades5 · 30/01/2021 02:04

I'm really close to a man who's changed his whole life around in the last year! He went through years of struggle that led to bad choices and he ended up in hospital. I won't go into huge details.

He's months and months sober.
Earning good money and working 5-6 solid days a week.
He's rescued a dog as part of his recovery. The dog gives him something positive and keeps him company.
He's skilled in what he does and is always getting offers for work. He's popular and seems to be supported alot. He also reaches out to anyone struggling and offers to tell them how he did it. He often gets contacted because he really has turned around.

We didn't plan to become close. But we met through a friend and developed an instant friendship. We are several months into a really close friendship. It's cups of tea and conversations. I can call him anytime. He can call me. We catch up everyday and once life resumes more we will probably go out and about places. Overall he's just lovely and I think the world of him. We help eachother with anything the other can't do.

I know his story. He's told me all the details. Why it happened. What happened. How it ended. He also told me part of his recovery is to be honest about his past. He told me he was terrified of meeting new people and opening up. But he felt safe talking to me and I know it was a massive thing telling me.

My best friend was curious about him as we've been close a while now. So I told her all his good points. Told her he's had some struggles and kept his story private mostly.

She went digging. I think her heart was in the right place. But her husband works in the same Industry and she sent him to work to dig out info. She then text me to ask if I was free for a walk.

I went to meet her. She asked to see his photo. Then she told me her husband had found out he's a p**s head. He's done this and that. She told me everything he had openly told me. I thanked her for caring. Told her he's not hiding anything. He's told me in detail everything she just said. I then said all I can say is he's like this now. He's turned his life around. He didn't want to be that person. He didn't enjoy being that person. He's trying to lead a normal life now and whilst I can't say he never will relapse he's currently living a normal life.

I'm just upset with it. People love gossip. People find it so easy to judge. To Tear someone to pieces. I fully expected one day my friend would meet him. But now she's made me feel like she's written him off. I just feel she had no right to snoop. Go fishing for information. Go discussing me with men who do not know me. What if it gets back to my friend. How is he supposed to feel?

How would you feel? I do understand people would have seen him when he was poorly and that will be their view on him. But I still feel my friend had no right.

OP posts:
Rachel1874 · 31/01/2021 19:35

I think she is your friend and looking out for you. But if it was me and she came out and said he was a p**shead without approaching it tactfully I would have stopped her there and then.

EssexLioness · 31/01/2021 19:44

Your last couple of posts don’t ring true OP. You paint him out to be a saint which is not what your first post indicated. You do realise that if he relapses you are unlikely to even know that he has. He will lie and cover up as that’s what addicts do. And as for all the rubbish about him playing football, being good at gardening and having a tidy home... I don’t think you have a clue about alcoholics. You sounds really naive. Read about functioning alcoholics. Lots of them are bright, clever, talented people. They are not permanently passed out in a drunken coma.
My ex was a talented man with a great job, all through his worst years. He was violent, and nasty but it was all behind closed doors. He frequently hit me and strangled me until I became unconscious. I fled one night in fear for my life and never went back. His work colleagues all thought he was great, he was perfectly capable of doing a bit of gardening through that time and we had a clean and tidy home because I did all the housework and he would beat the crap out of me if anything was out of place. This thread is frustrating as you don’t seem to be listening to people on here who have been involved with alcoholics. I hope you’re right about him but you are playing a very dangerous game. Your comments about being kind are frankly insulting. We are not all bitchy vipers on this forum you know! A lot of the warnings you have received are because we are concerned from what you have written. I will continue to post on threads like this because if I can help one woman avoid the same mistakes I make and the sheer terror I experienced at the hands of my alcoholic husband then i will be happy

Lilymossflower · 31/01/2021 19:50

If the information was anything about him being violent to women, I would take heed and walk away.
Regardless of him having seemingly changed now.

Lilymossflower · 31/01/2021 19:51

The girl friend sounds like a good friend. Keep her

amispeakingenglish · 31/01/2021 20:20

Good friend.

Yogalola · 31/01/2021 20:21

Your friend was just looking out for you, especially as you haven’t known this guy long yet sound totally smitten. Yes he probably means what he says at the moment but no doubt as a recovering addict he still has a long way to go. Don’t be surprised if he has a relapse, I was involved once with someone who was preaching the ten steps totally positive he was cured. Unfortunately in most cases just something trivial can trip someone over the edge. Just be wary and good luck

Birthday552 · 31/01/2021 20:29

Your friend was doing what many friends do, I think it was done with good intention. Any new friendship comes with baggage. The lack of understanding of addiction in this thread is unbelievable. Addiction is an illness. A serious one. That destroys lives, relationships, families etc. Some addicts also recovery and lead happy fulfilling lives. Are addicts never to have friends or relationships again? Of course not. We all have a history and everyone deserves a chance at changing their future. It is brilliant that he is on the road to recovery. Of course, he may relapse but then again, he may also pick himself back up and build a good life. I wish you both luck.

godmum56 · 31/01/2021 20:29

she'd be an ex friend if it was me!

Nomoreporridge · 31/01/2021 20:32

@Lilymossflower

If the information was anything about him being violent to women, I would take heed and walk away. Regardless of him having seemingly changed now.
^This x100.

Of course everyone deserves a second chance, but your female friend isn’t writing him off either. She is simply telling you the facts about this man. She wants to make sure you know what he is like.

I think you need to thank your friend. She sounds like a great friend.

The fact that you are defensive about her querying him is something you should reflect on.

Strangeways19 · 31/01/2021 20:39

I don't think that it's really good to judge whether this man will relapse, so as long as he's doing well, getting support & you have your eyes open I don't see the problem.
Also I don't know what motivated your friend to snoop but I know what you mean by sending her bf to work to find out informative. That's really weird I think to be that invested in finding out information but to give her the benefit of the doubt she might just have been worried.
If you're worried that she's just being nosey for the sake of it then maybe you have some thinking to do. You are able though to make your own decisions & I'd be tempted to draw some boundaries with her & let her know whilst you appreciate her looking out for you, thank you but no thanks!
Also to all those nay sayers, there are lots of people who go into recovery & stay there too.

Stopthrowingsnowballs · 31/01/2021 20:42

I’ve not read all the replies so unsure if this has been mentioned. I can see he told you there was no violence in his previous relationship. However if you are in any doubt i.e. your friend has told you otherwise, especially if you have a child, please consider going through the Clare’s law process (domestic violence disclosure scheme). All it takes is a call to 101 or email to your local force to start the process. If there is anything that is deemed relevant to disclose to you then this may help you decide how you proceed with the relationship.
I agree that people deserve a chance and it’s great you’re being supportive to him, just don’t let that be at the expense of your safety x

SallyB392 · 31/01/2021 21:26

I have severe mental illness, have had as long as I can remember. I have spent time under sections, and had a really messy adulthood. My husband accepted that but there were those who said it couldn't work.

My husband served a prison sentence (back in 1968), I was told to avoid him, once a criminal always a criminal he would pull me apart.

That was 25 years ago or is it 27. He has cared for me when I was ill, and we have trusted each other. The last year has been a year of him and me we have barely seen another human being, but we are as close as ever.

I'm sure those who raise concerns mean well, and you should listen, but ultimately, trust your instincts. Living with a recovering alcoholic (I know you're not there at the moment), brings its own challenges, for starters, really for his benefit you will need to banish booze from your life too. That need will always be there and just the smell on your breath could be the trigger for him. You also need to talk to him about other potential problems (drugs, gambling etc).

But your friendship is great and as long as you know what you are facing there's no reason why a relationship can't work. Communication is the key. You have all my best wishes for the future!

peachdribble · 31/01/2021 21:29

Addiction is a really harsh disease - it’s very difficult for anyone, however well-meaning or aware, to really help an addict from the outside. It’s really got to come from within them, and getting completely clean/ sober is an ongoing process that will take years. Addicts also make very good liars, especially to themselves, so do be careful OP. I’m not saying there’s ‘no hope’ at all in this friendship- but you should take one day at a time (as he is) and for heavens sake don’t lend him any money.

Thewarrenerswife · 31/01/2021 21:38

This is like the plot from one of those terrible Chanel 5 aafternoon movies.

Yes of course it’s your friend who is looking out for you that’s the issue. Not your clear gushing over a man you hardly know. Because listening to what a man tells you about himself, means you absolutely know him well...

I don’t think anyone is saying you shouldn’t pursue anything with this guy. But seriously, read your posts back to yourself, and imagine it’s your daughter speaking. What would you tell her - and be honest.

altiara · 31/01/2021 21:40

If your friend can’t look out for you, then who can?!

Sounds like your friend/her DH recognised the name and that’s why her DH asked around. This is on you for not giving a proper picture, just telling her what you wanted her to think. Not saying you had to give all of his private information, but you could’ve given her a more rounded view so if her DH said he’d heard of him, she’d know you were fully aware of his past.

MrsLighthouse · 31/01/2021 21:46

You’re an adult and entitled to make up your own mind up about this man. I’m 13 years sober and l can absolutely testify that people change. However, l do understand your friend’s fear as many people also relapse and drag their and partners down with them . Only time will tell. I wouldn’t lose a friendship over it ...you may have done the same if it was the other way round . Hope it all works out 😍

HeidiHaughton · 31/01/2021 21:47

I would trust a long term good friend over a recovering addict.
I have close experience of addiction. Often one addiction is replaced with another. Be it addiction to going to AA meetings or being the perfect person they want to represent themselves to the world as. Relapse is so common and there is a good chance you will be dragged into it as an unpaid therapist.

Carpedimum · 31/01/2021 23:07

Fwiw @Sunnyshades5 I met a man just like you describe. He was incredibly adept at presenting himself in a certain way. Oh he’d made some grave mistakes and appeared genuinely remorseful. He was charming, polite, softly spoken and seemingly brutally honest about his faults. Except those days were not behind him. Those unfortunate events that led to regrettable outcomes were behaviour choices. Smoke and mirrors. He completely sucked me in with it. It was an extremely toxic and abusive relationship. Leopards do not change their spots. Beware OP, your friend has your best interests at heart and believe me, I wish my friends had meddles, it would have saved me years of mental and physical pain.

woodsorrel1 · 31/01/2021 23:49

I was interested in this post as I have a little bit of personal experience of this. I myself started going down the slippery path. Luckily, because I have some wonderfully supportive and honest friends, I've got my drinking back to be an enjoyable glass or two when the mood takes me. I've been very lucky. But my ex boyfriend had a much more serious problem.

He's adorable, talented and incredibly intelligent. He's suffered childhood abuse which doesn't help him either. It's not aggression, more self harm and a threat to himself with suicidal battles. He's not even a nasty drunk most of the time. But when he gets on a vodka binge he changes personality as if a switch has gone off on his head. Obviously this doesn't help with the mental health issues either.

Unfortunately it was during one of these binges that he lashed out at me. As a result I ended up with a severely broken back. Again I've been incredibly lucky. It's a horrible, painful and debilitating injury, but I have a fantastic team and they assure me that in time ( a long time) my back can be rebuilt :-) It was an accident, if I thought for a minute he had done it on purpose I wouldn't be about to tell you this. It would be a very different tale.

It took several months for him to have the courage to face me. He hadn't had any contact with me since the incident. But we bumped into each-other and as it's a very small village, so we agreed to talk.

I've forgiven him for the incident, which is easier given that I should eventually make a full recovery. But! And it's a very big but, I won't ever put up with even a hint of him binging on vodka in my presence or house.

He now has his own place and he can do what he likes there. He is open about it now which is a big improvement. He can also see how destructive it is. He's genuinely horrified at his momentary violence towards me, and believe you me I don't dance around the subject. He's not quite there, and maybe never will be. But I believe he deserves a chance.

I've been in a very close relationship with him for 9 years, so I know him as well as you ever know anybody. he'd be a massive loss to me as we get each-other so well. However, I don't need him. My life ticks along very pleasantly when he's at his own place. The pressure of not being in a formal living together situation has certainly improved my mental health.

He has had one major slip with me. Nothing violent just being a drunken pillock in public and mortifying me! But I was very clear that he had no more chances. I also pointed out that I've been a very loyal and understanding friend. Not many people would understand his mental health issues and tolerate the inevitable lies and subterfuges of his addiction. But I was drawing the line as I was sick of living like that.

I can't tell you how this is going to pan out in the long run. But I meant what I said and I never go back once I've made a carefully considered decision. He knows this and that it ist the end of us if he slipped like that again.

Like I say, I would miss him immensely, and I really hope it works. So far so good and no hidden vodka bottles in the last 6 months. He still binges at times, but away and out of sight of me. I add that I haven't banned him from alcohol, just no Vodka or under the influence of it in my home.

As to your friend I'm sure she meant well, but perhaps if she'd asked first it might have helped. I would have felt a bit miffed myself. Not least because I'd find it a bit of an insult to my intelligence. I've been in a similar situation in the past and my friend didn't like the cut of his gib!

But we were such close friends she talked through her doubts about him. I hadn't spotted a few things, but when she pointed them out I did take a step back and paid more attention. I saw what she meant, but I wasn't sure. I then gave her permission to have a dig around. Nothing illegal, just checking out his FB page, which I wouldn't have dreamt of doing. Sounds very niave, but I was new to social media back then.

Blimey, what a can of worms she uncovered! I challenged him and he tried to lie his way out of it, but I had a lucky escape there thanks to my friend. Phew :-)

I hope this helps in some way. I would always give my friends a hearing. But in the end do trust your own instincts, proceeding with caution. Addiction is a horrible disease but it's not an excuse for bad behaviour. People do makefull recovery, but it's so easy to slip. I know! But thankfully I'm a very determined lady and my life is so much more enjoyable without the fog of alcohol. But I still love a nice glass of white when I've done all my chores and can be bothered to haul ass to the shop. Not an easy decision these days with my back still being so painful. :-)

My sincere good wishes for you and your friends. x

Mamanyt · 31/01/2021 23:54

This one gave me some grief. Look, you know what this man was, and how quickly he can become that person again. One wrong trigger at the wrong time. Be cautious, be watchful, and be prepared to back away entirely if you see signs that he is slipping. DO NOT TRY TO FIX THIS. It's way above your pay grade! I understand your friend's impulse to "help."

That said, it was intrusive in the extreme. It would feel to me, if I were you, that your friend didn't trust you to make good choices in friends, generally. And it will get back to your gentleman friend that someone was prying into his past. Which won't help him at all. I really wish she had simply said, "I hope he continues to do well, but be careful."

For the sake of your long-standing friendship, try to take this in the spirit it was done/given. She is worried about you. Reassure her that you are being cautious, but until there are red flags, you will remain his friend. AND THEN DO THAT!

Quaagars · 31/01/2021 23:58

@ilovesooty
Do you mean her husband works in addiction services and "went digging" then passed on information to your friend? If so that's very disturbing

That's what stood out to me too - surely that's a breach of confidentiality at least?
Maybe her "heart is in the right place" but no way is that acceptable of either of them.
Unless it's been clarified but it's a very long thread

msgreen · 01/02/2021 00:30

These are such difficult times for all ....
Sounds as if your friends care ,maybe OTT but if both she and her husband have taken time out, for you over this guy you have to ask yourself why .
Put yourself and your wellbeing before anything or anyone !!!!
You can't help or support anyone else until you have taken care of you
It maybe that in time this relationship will be ok but for now be
mindful of the journey he is on , and know it may well be a long and complicated one .

SuperMutha · 01/02/2021 00:32

I imagine my ex tells his new girlfriend that he only drank to numb his pain and it was only for a short period and he lives to help other addicts in recovery now whilst massively glossing over the fact he hasn't seen our DC in over a year, can't hold on to a job and was a complete bully whilst drunk.
Words are cheap OP. Actions count.

Arobase · 01/02/2021 01:14

[quote Quaagars]**@ilovesooty
Do you mean her husband works in addiction services and "went digging" then passed on information to your friend? If so that's very disturbing

That's what stood out to me too - surely that's a breach of confidentiality at least?
Maybe her "heart is in the right place" but no way is that acceptable of either of them.
Unless it's been clarified but it's a very long thread[/quote]
OP's friend's husband does NOT work in addiction services. That was a mistake by @ilovesooty. You could have checked the facts by looking at OP's posts.

mathanxiety · 01/02/2021 01:45

@ilovesooty
Her husband works in the same industry - it wasn't a case of breach of patient privacy or client privacy.

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