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Friend went snooping

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Sunnyshades5 · 30/01/2021 02:04

I'm really close to a man who's changed his whole life around in the last year! He went through years of struggle that led to bad choices and he ended up in hospital. I won't go into huge details.

He's months and months sober.
Earning good money and working 5-6 solid days a week.
He's rescued a dog as part of his recovery. The dog gives him something positive and keeps him company.
He's skilled in what he does and is always getting offers for work. He's popular and seems to be supported alot. He also reaches out to anyone struggling and offers to tell them how he did it. He often gets contacted because he really has turned around.

We didn't plan to become close. But we met through a friend and developed an instant friendship. We are several months into a really close friendship. It's cups of tea and conversations. I can call him anytime. He can call me. We catch up everyday and once life resumes more we will probably go out and about places. Overall he's just lovely and I think the world of him. We help eachother with anything the other can't do.

I know his story. He's told me all the details. Why it happened. What happened. How it ended. He also told me part of his recovery is to be honest about his past. He told me he was terrified of meeting new people and opening up. But he felt safe talking to me and I know it was a massive thing telling me.

My best friend was curious about him as we've been close a while now. So I told her all his good points. Told her he's had some struggles and kept his story private mostly.

She went digging. I think her heart was in the right place. But her husband works in the same Industry and she sent him to work to dig out info. She then text me to ask if I was free for a walk.

I went to meet her. She asked to see his photo. Then she told me her husband had found out he's a p**s head. He's done this and that. She told me everything he had openly told me. I thanked her for caring. Told her he's not hiding anything. He's told me in detail everything she just said. I then said all I can say is he's like this now. He's turned his life around. He didn't want to be that person. He didn't enjoy being that person. He's trying to lead a normal life now and whilst I can't say he never will relapse he's currently living a normal life.

I'm just upset with it. People love gossip. People find it so easy to judge. To Tear someone to pieces. I fully expected one day my friend would meet him. But now she's made me feel like she's written him off. I just feel she had no right to snoop. Go fishing for information. Go discussing me with men who do not know me. What if it gets back to my friend. How is he supposed to feel?

How would you feel? I do understand people would have seen him when he was poorly and that will be their view on him. But I still feel my friend had no right.

OP posts:
SingSweetNightingale · 31/01/2021 18:13

OP - my DP was not whiter than white when we first got together. He wasn’t an addict or in any kind of recovery but did things that I didn’t agree with.
He grew up, changed and we’ve now been together a number of years with a beautiful child.
My best friend did not like him at all at the beginning and tbh I don’t think she likes him now. It’s been very hurtful and her views are now completely irrelevant as he is a different person and we’ve been together so long. I think some friends start out “concerned” and just don’t ever change their opinions based on first impressions.
It’s a shame but see how things progress. Take things slowly and if he continues on this path of recovery and change then more power to him!
If your friend can’t be open minded and learn to like him as time goes on then that’s her problem. Good luck x

DaphneduWarrior · 31/01/2021 18:19

Apologies, haven’t RTFT. Watched ‘Dirty John’ on Netflix last night. It’s about the lengths addicts will go to lie, and how meeting online can create intense relationships which are all fantasy.

OP, I hope this man is everything you believe. Your friend is just trying to warn you he may not be.

Crystalgirl90 · 31/01/2021 18:21

If you’re planning to start a relationship with this man — read this book first:
Codependent no more by Melanie Beattie
It’s honestly changed my life, you have no idea!

Glitterbug76 · 31/01/2021 18:22

It’s a difficult one but your an adult you know what he’s done. Agree with above comment it would depend what he had done , some things are unforgivable regardless. Think he needs time other wise you could both get hurt.

GreenlandTheMovie · 31/01/2021 18:23

I had a similar warning about someone, and it was incredibly useful (they weren't an alcoholic, but slept around, cheated and treated women badly, got one pregnant and wasn't interested, etc) because I successfully swerved them, and in retrospect, that was a really good decision.

alltoomuchrightnow · 31/01/2021 18:23

Not saying don't be a friend to him, ,OP, but maybe fairer on you both to keep it totally platonic. It's very VERY early days for him and if he focusses on you he could swap one dependency for another (my ex became obsessed with me and proposed within a few months of meeting..this obsession later turned into terrible control over me...).
And my ex did all the things you list above..eg in his first marriage, he had an amazing job (despite drinking out of brown paper bags in his lunch hour); he was a functioning alcoholic in that he could actually work and work very well. But the booze eventually lost him his marriage and so he had a breakdown and lost everything and cleaned up in hospital. I met him a couple of years later as the reformed healthy man. He was a good dad and able to do up the messy gardens and so on. It meant nothing in the long run . It's an awful, hideous disease and a constant battle for the sober person who always has to try and find a gap to fill without their daily fix. If you can just be friends and no mutual dependency then great. But if you ever get the late night calls when something has triggered him eg a bad day, and he calls and says 'Sunny , I want to drink, but I know i can't, please come over right now' and you say you can't and he makes threats like he's going to do something stupid (or he for eg goes for a long walk and 'disappears'..the whole classic manipulation and emotional blackmail scenarios) please, run run and keep running.
Oh I was the one who thought the drinking was behind him and I'd never judge as that would be so wrong of me and it wasn't who he was now (of course it was, it was part of his very dna, running through his veins and cells and blood...). And even if he lapsed I felt I could help, and love was enough(Hahahhahaa, he broke every promise he ever made, to me, his mum and his young son..the three people he claimed to love the most). It's now 5 years since his death and 8 since I left him and I'm still not back on my feet. I wish i could say my story is the extreme but I went to Al Anon 3 or 4 times a week for 2 years and I am actually one of the 'luckier', even if others didn't all have the violence I did, many had much longer periods of living with the disease because of a family member or partner

Clymene · 31/01/2021 18:28

Always ask yourself: 'Who benefits from this information/version of events?'

What did your friend have to gain from 'snooping'?
What does your nee friend have to gain from telling his version of events?

I wonder what your history is that you choose to side with your new friend rather than your old one? Is there some reason you don't trust your best friend and think she may not have your best interests at heart?

You need to do a bit of soul searching I think.

LizFlowers · 31/01/2021 18:30

Your friend probably meant well. However there is nothing wrong with you being 'close' with this man, just don't set up house and build a future with him; it's fine as it is. Keep your options open.

Krampusnolongerbabysits · 31/01/2021 18:30

Months and months is hardly a long time. Your friend owes nothing to this man and was looking out for you. Perhaps you have a history for being too trusting. I would really be thankful to have such an honest friend that told me what I may needed to know rather than wanted to hear. I also would be a bit cautious that you have developped such an intense friendship. Quite a lot of addicts have 'addictive' personalities and switch from one thing to another, perhaps courting drama. If my best friend had described getting so close, so quickly to someone, alarm bells would go off.

ERFFER · 31/01/2021 18:30

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Catflapkitkat · 31/01/2021 18:33

I don't know why you posted on here OP. What did you want - a medal? Emoji flowers? It took you 10 pages to reply because posters thought your friend was being a friend.

You are paying no heed to the posts on here - the ones telling you to be careful, that addicts are manipulative, that it's too soon for him to be in a relationship. Children of addicts, partners and relatives of addicts and former addicts are all judgemental and don't care about mental health.

I hope it works out for you and for him - I hope he is everything your rose tinted glasses allow you to see. If not - that will be so sad

Bluntness100 · 31/01/2021 18:36

@Catflapkitkat

I don't know why you posted on here OP. What did you want - a medal? Emoji flowers? It took you 10 pages to reply because posters thought your friend was being a friend.

You are paying no heed to the posts on here - the ones telling you to be careful, that addicts are manipulative, that it's too soon for him to be in a relationship. Children of addicts, partners and relatives of addicts and former addicts are all judgemental and don't care about mental health.

I hope it works out for you and for him - I hope he is everything your rose tinted glasses allow you to see. If not - that will be so sad

Agree, and when the op did come back she painted a saint like figure who bears no resemblance to what she was basically outlining in her op.

So if you’re so so hung up on someone you can’t even be honest on an anonymous forum because you’re so ashamed, then you’ve bigger issues at play than the friend finding out.

mistletoeandsigh · 31/01/2021 18:38

It sounds like more than a friendship? Nobody would be overly concerned about a simple friendship.

I can't understand why you're upset but feel that your friend was looking out for you. She probably could've been more subtle.

marshmallowfluffy · 31/01/2021 18:39

You know your friend best but it sounds like she was looking out for you. You sound obsessed with the man. Do you have a history of being taken in by men by any chance? Not because you're stupid or gullible- maybe because you like you see yourself as someone who can rescue people ?

Warning you doesn't mean she's written him off. Addicts are some of the most convincing liars out there and she might be concerned about you being conned considering how infatuated you sound.

People overcome addictions but ime intense feelings for someone can cause people to overlook red flags that others can see.

BuenoN0ches · 31/01/2021 18:41

Once an addict, always an addict.

sue69m · 31/01/2021 18:42

Hi, I just had to reply to this after being with a drinker for a year!!
I too trusted the man I met when he told me he didn't drink much. He worked hard so just wanted a few beers when he got in from work.
Those few beers turned in to 8 pints a night, every night and presciption drugs along with illicet drugs.. But he still maintained he did not have a problem!
He confided in me about his life and how everyone had used him blah blah blah and I fell for the lot..
He had young children who I had every other weekend that I looked after and became attached to. He told me he had nothing to give me but his kids!!
Fast forward 8 months in to the relationship and the verbal abuse started, it probably started earlier but I was too blind to see it. I bought the children their xmas presents in October so they would have a lovely christmas with us. In November I was talking to him about wrapping the presents when he kindly informed me that they were not my fucking kids or family... That was it for me, I knew I could not come back from this and told him 2 weeks later that he had to go..
Christmas was awful, I could not eat or sleep and missed the children terribly. Fair play to one of the mums, she said I could go and visit them anytime I wanted but I have decided to make a clean break as it hurt me so much.
I wish I had a friend who would have looked out for me so I wouldn't have gone through so much heartache.
I am still getting back on my feet as I did not realise how far he had knocked me down over the year. I lost my confidence and withdrew in to a shell of my former self. This man lied about everything and everyone and manipulated me.
Please don't let tjis happen to you

Tzimi · 31/01/2021 18:48

I think it's great that you're good friends with this man, and I wouldn't listen to your "friend", who's probably just jealous. Why do people with problematic pasts sometimes revert to their old selves? Precisely because people gossip, and are unwilling to give them a chance to turn their lives around, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I would trust your instinct, it's rarely wrong.

rushmess · 31/01/2021 18:49

Sounds like you have found someone wonderful who has had struggles but worked hard and turned their life around. The best part is that they have been very open and honest in sharing that with you.
Would you be comfortable reciprocating that and sharing openly with him about your conversations with your dear friend who was under the impression that you had no knowledge of this persons past and was trying to protect you. I think this man values honesty.

Clear communication helps build strong foundations and develops trust.

As for your friend, she sounds like a good friend who loves you.....had no idea that you already knew about this mans past.....and was trying to protect you.😊

pollymere · 31/01/2021 18:51

Your friend cares. It's nothing you didn't already know and you're there with your eyes wide open. See how things pan out. You might have to have stern words with this friend if she brings it up or starts gossiping, but leave it be for now. A reformed sinner is better than someone who thinks they're a saint so trust your instincts on this guy.

Charlotteskye · 31/01/2021 18:51

Your friends husband is massively in the wrong. He should not have been digging and because he did and told his wife he could lose his job if they find out. Your friend is being nosey. The man sounds like a nice person who is very strong trying to get over his problems but don't rely on him too much as you could find yourself caught up in his problems if he turns to drink again.

NerrSnerr · 31/01/2021 18:53

@Charlotteskye I don't think the husband went digging as in looked up records, I reads like he just asked around. He can't get in trouble for asking a colleague if he knows Jim.

Arobase · 31/01/2021 18:54

@Charlotteskye

Your friends husband is massively in the wrong. He should not have been digging and because he did and told his wife he could lose his job if they find out. Your friend is being nosey. The man sounds like a nice person who is very strong trying to get over his problems but don't rely on him too much as you could find yourself caught up in his problems if he turns to drink again.
This is absolute nonsense. Friend's husband just asked around amongst people in his industry. If the man in question has been an alcoholic, none of it will be a secret. There was no duty of confidentiality, so the question of the husband losing his job doesn't arise.
sammylady37 · 31/01/2021 18:55

@Tzimi

I think it's great that you're good friends with this man, and I wouldn't listen to your "friend", who's probably just jealous. Why do people with problematic pasts sometimes revert to their old selves? Precisely because people gossip, and are unwilling to give them a chance to turn their lives around, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I would trust your instinct, it's rarely wrong.
Hahaha. There’s nothing about op’s friendship with this man to be jealous of.
Bluntness100 · 31/01/2021 18:56

Your friends husband is massively in the wrong. He should not have been digging and because he did and told his wife he could lose his job if they find out

Wow what a leap 😂😂😂

sammylady37 · 31/01/2021 18:56

@Charlotteskye

Your friends husband is massively in the wrong. He should not have been digging and because he did and told his wife he could lose his job if they find out. Your friend is being nosey. The man sounds like a nice person who is very strong trying to get over his problems but don't rely on him too much as you could find yourself caught up in his problems if he turns to drink again.
Yet again with the assumption that the friend’s DH has done something wrong. Nothing the op posted had indicated that.