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Friend went snooping

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Sunnyshades5 · 30/01/2021 02:04

I'm really close to a man who's changed his whole life around in the last year! He went through years of struggle that led to bad choices and he ended up in hospital. I won't go into huge details.

He's months and months sober.
Earning good money and working 5-6 solid days a week.
He's rescued a dog as part of his recovery. The dog gives him something positive and keeps him company.
He's skilled in what he does and is always getting offers for work. He's popular and seems to be supported alot. He also reaches out to anyone struggling and offers to tell them how he did it. He often gets contacted because he really has turned around.

We didn't plan to become close. But we met through a friend and developed an instant friendship. We are several months into a really close friendship. It's cups of tea and conversations. I can call him anytime. He can call me. We catch up everyday and once life resumes more we will probably go out and about places. Overall he's just lovely and I think the world of him. We help eachother with anything the other can't do.

I know his story. He's told me all the details. Why it happened. What happened. How it ended. He also told me part of his recovery is to be honest about his past. He told me he was terrified of meeting new people and opening up. But he felt safe talking to me and I know it was a massive thing telling me.

My best friend was curious about him as we've been close a while now. So I told her all his good points. Told her he's had some struggles and kept his story private mostly.

She went digging. I think her heart was in the right place. But her husband works in the same Industry and she sent him to work to dig out info. She then text me to ask if I was free for a walk.

I went to meet her. She asked to see his photo. Then she told me her husband had found out he's a p**s head. He's done this and that. She told me everything he had openly told me. I thanked her for caring. Told her he's not hiding anything. He's told me in detail everything she just said. I then said all I can say is he's like this now. He's turned his life around. He didn't want to be that person. He didn't enjoy being that person. He's trying to lead a normal life now and whilst I can't say he never will relapse he's currently living a normal life.

I'm just upset with it. People love gossip. People find it so easy to judge. To Tear someone to pieces. I fully expected one day my friend would meet him. But now she's made me feel like she's written him off. I just feel she had no right to snoop. Go fishing for information. Go discussing me with men who do not know me. What if it gets back to my friend. How is he supposed to feel?

How would you feel? I do understand people would have seen him when he was poorly and that will be their view on him. But I still feel my friend had no right.

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Raffington55 · 31/01/2021 17:25

Unfriend your ‘friend’. This is unacceptable behaviour and I would be very angry.

Laura3245 · 31/01/2021 17:29

I guess your friend just had your interests at heart, I hope that once you told her that you already knew all of that, that she stepped back. I hope that she welcomes him as she would anyone else, we all have a past, it doesn’t instantly make us ‘good’ or ‘bad’.

Good for the guy for being so open and getting his life back on a track where he is happier and more productive. I hope it all works out for both of you.

RealisticSketch · 31/01/2021 17:30

I don't think op is coming back.

FreddieMercurysCat · 31/01/2021 17:34

I’m sorry. In your position I’d be absolutely furious with your friend. He’s in recovery from addiction. Seems like one you’re labelled with some people, you can’t ever be anything but with them.

FreddieMercurysCat · 31/01/2021 17:34

Once, not one

Notusuallydown · 31/01/2021 17:35

I'm just writing a paper about this very subject.
When people are in recovery it is vital that they should be able to make friends and acquaintances outside their previous circle. If they only had friends who drank it would be all too easy to start drinking again. Your friend in recovery is doing so well! He's kind, helpful and obviously trying hard. He's been completely honest, difficult to do. I'm sure if you knew he had been violent you would be careful.
Your friend might be concerned, I'm sure she's look out for you, but does seem a little... nosy.
Keep going! He is good friend, and you are helping him hugely. There will be times when he will be very tempted, but make some allowances. If you turned your back on him it would be much more difficult to stay sober. Each day is a win, and he's on a winning streak.

Sarahrellyboo1987 · 31/01/2021 17:36

How is it gossiping? She’s come to you about her concerns. She’s not told everyone else.

VAL71 · 31/01/2021 17:37

Hi, whilst it sounds like your friend has your best interests are heart, it does feel like she'd made a number of incorrect assumptions about the situation. What she appears to have missed is considering what you wanted her to do - at the end of the day she needed to be a friend and on this occasion it wasn't finding out all the dirt about your new friend. I believe that (most) people deserve a second chance and it sounds like this guy is being open with you about his past. If you're cross with your girlfriend can you tell her that you understand her motives but you'd prefer she didn't dig for your other friends past "mistakes"?

Carriecakes80 · 31/01/2021 17:42

Someone else has already said this but obviously there is more to this than just dependancy recovery. Take it from someone who watched her mum fall for 'A wonderful kind man who has been three years sober and now wants to take care of us!' who ended up abusing me, her and stealing everything we had, because like all addicts, he was a very very clever liar that can pull anyone in...its part and parcel.
And yes, this guy might well be a paragon of virtue now, you really must take a step back before he becomes depandant on you too.
The slower and more cautious the better, and wow, you have a really lovely friend who obviously cares a lot about you, I think you were looking at all of that the complete wrong way. xx Be careful

Celestine70 · 31/01/2021 17:43

She's just looking out for you. Don't be hard on her. Be friends with this guy but have your eyes open.

TheBigFatMermaid · 31/01/2021 17:44

I have only found out today that the boyfriend of a close friend has been controlling, abusive and more recently, logged into various accounts of hers and cost her money, logged into her FB to spy on her. She also told me that when they met, he was on probation for similar behaviour with his previous ex.
I wish I had known where to dig to find out about his past, to warn her, maybe. Or maybe just to have knowledge of his past behaviours, so we could be open and discuss possibilities, let her know I'd be hee for her...
I call your friend a concerned and caring friend. Value that. Tell her that you see a changed man but should he revert, you would like to be able to talk openly without judgement.

Yohugsy · 31/01/2021 17:45

It's interesting that you ask about your friends snooping behaviour and you have a lot of responses about your friend who is trying very hard to recover from an illness.
People will always judge addicts. Period.
Addicts are addicts because they feel they do not fit into the world. It takes a supreme amount of hard work to recover. And relapses do occur. But the profound learning experience is worth it and an immensely better person comes out the other side.
Your judgemental friend sounds like she relished telling you about your piss head new mate. It is disrespectful of your own judgement. It is disrespectful of you.
With some research about recovery, you'll be fine x

LovelyIssues · 31/01/2021 17:47

That wasn't nice of your friend. I'm sure her heart is in the right place but snooping like that is way OTT. He sounds like he's making you very happy and a true friend will support that Flowers

Bluntness100 · 31/01/2021 17:54

@RealisticSketch

I don't think op is coming back.
No, I don’t think so either.
Daphnise · 31/01/2021 17:55

Run for the hills- this is a potential disaster and your friend has done the right thing trying to warn you.....

So be warned- alcoholics lie, cheat and steal. And are always sober.....And have always "turned their lives round".

GingerBeverage · 31/01/2021 17:58

I'd like to have a friend who cared about me enough to do this.

RealisticSketch · 31/01/2021 17:59

@Notusuallydown

I'm just writing a paper about this very subject. When people are in recovery it is vital that they should be able to make friends and acquaintances outside their previous circle. If they only had friends who drank it would be all too easy to start drinking again. Your friend in recovery is doing so well! He's kind, helpful and obviously trying hard. He's been completely honest, difficult to do. I'm sure if you knew he had been violent you would be careful. Your friend might be concerned, I'm sure she's look out for you, but does seem a little... nosy. Keep going! He is good friend, and you are helping him hugely. There will be times when he will be very tempted, but make some allowances. If you turned your back on him it would be much more difficult to stay sober. Each day is a win, and he's on a winning streak.
Completely agree with this. But equally a calm knowledge that he might not make it could prevent leaving yourself open to the fall out if that happens, even while you support him and carry every hope that he keeps going in the right direction. I don't believe in writing people off, but that doesn't mean you can't have a bit of awareness of just what a tough road ahead he has and protect yourself.
Prinzy · 31/01/2021 17:59

it's a sad state of affairs that 56% of voters think you are being unreasonable. ignoring the moral aide of your friends intrusion, she may have even slipped into the remit of breaching gdpr regulatuons or say his right to privacy. yanbu and i think your friendship with this man seems like it has done him a world of good.

alltoomuchrightnow · 31/01/2021 18:02

Daphnise, well said.. and the sober 'recovered' ones also lie , cheat and steal...all the behaviours (ISM's I think they call them at Al Anon) are still in place...the chaos, the dramas, nothing is ever simple with them...my ex WAS years sober (there was no sneaking around and cheating with drink) before drinking again but his behaviour was still that of a drinker , ie the addictions (he switched to Red Bull from booze) the debts, inability to work and focus, obsessive behaviours, everything he did , said and touched was pure chaos (it had already cost him his marriage), always searching searching searching for something else to replace the booze..he never did...he returned to drinking after years of being the 'poster boy' for the reformed man... and it killed him...

LolaSmiles · 31/01/2021 18:03

Prinzy
Asking people about someone who works in the same line of work doesn't break GDPR.

And maybe the OP's friendship has done this man the world of good, however he is an addict in the early stages of recovery and would do well to focus on that instead of developing quite an intense friendship with someone who probably has a desire to be a saviour.

Wanting to advise caution is fairly understandable, especially if you're concerned that your friend seems infatuated with man so much she minimises and downplays his past emphasis emphasising how he is so different around her

Sunnyshades5 · 31/01/2021 18:03

Hi sorry for slow reply. Saw myself getting torn abit so went away but can see there are people willing to see both sides plans not just jump and judge.

He was never violent. His ex girlfriend is an attractive career women who still Calls around for a drink every couple of months. They lived in a decent tidy home and both worked. But due to being in pain he drank to sleep. He ended up drinking anytime. It led him to deep depression and eventually he ended up on hospital. They sorted his pain out and helped him get of the booze. He then rested for three months and then a long term friend gave him a full time job and has supported him throughout him being sober and recovering.

I understand how it reads. He reads like some horrible man. But he's a father. A son. A friend. He's skilled. He has a variety of things. He played football. He can turn a messy garden into a beautiful outdoor space. He is a human being who just wants to be happy and loved. You will probably say Im nieve. But I have my eyes open. I know when he's struggling. He's entitled to rubbish days. He continues to be nice to me but perhaps will be quieter. But he's allowed to feel things.

I will always appreciate my friend caring. But he's also my friend and i was there the night he sat down with me and opened up. He was ashamed and upset. He has chronic depression. But I can see the man underneath who needs to live a life on the other side of that hell. Imagine if nobody had time for him. It's not like he's leaning on me to depress me. He also cares for me and has sat and listened to me talking about my life and any bad days ok having. He's a friend. Until he does something bad I have no reason to suspect him of hiding his real self.

We share all this stuff about being kind and supporting mental health. Yet look how quick people are to write them off.

It's sad.

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MommaFox94 · 31/01/2021 18:04

I’ll be honest with you, it sounds like you’ve developed a friendship with my ex. He is literally exactly the same person as you’ve described, although he doesn’t work and bought the dog when we’d got a 4 week old baby and 1 and a half year old 3 months prior to his relapse. Made my heart skip a beat when I read the post.
Anyway, my only advice is to be very, very, VERY careful developing any kind of relationship with an addict. If you’re a big enough person to cope with helping them, because it takes a LOT to help an addict through recovery, then you’re a better person than I was!
I had the same friend at the the start of the relationship and everything they warned me about came true. So maybe listen to what they have to say and consider it, rather than berating them for ‘snooping’.

Sunnyshades5 · 31/01/2021 18:07

Sorry for my typos

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NerrSnerr · 31/01/2021 18:10

@Sunnyshades5 there has to be more to his history though. There must have been incidents that occurred or your friend wouldn't have had anything to tell you.

No one is saying you shouldn't be with him but as someone who has lived their whole lives around alcoholics is to please be careful. It's a distinct possibility that he will fall off the wagon and you'll have to deal with the drunk side of him. That doesn't make him a bad person but it makes for a really difficult life.

Bluntness100 · 31/01/2021 18:13

Ok so this no longer makes sense, when your friend said he did this and that, what was she referring to? What do you mean he didn’t want to be that person, didn’t enjoy being that person

Because this has went from him being torn to pieces and having done stuff to an angel of a man.,,,

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