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Sbowiegirl · 28/01/2021 16:38

Loved the last one!

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Witchend · 30/01/2021 15:29

@Flippyferloppy

Wondering if any of you have heard about the Lancastria disaster during WW2? It is the United Kingdom's greatest maritime disaster, yet few have heard of it.

I am the descendent of a survivor and I am sure the government is covering something up. Basically they refused to reveal any information for years stating official secrets act, then when that had lapsed said that all available information had already been released.

I'd heard of it. It's fairly well documented and mentioned in many places; children's books, BBC that sort of place and there's a memorial at Golden Jubilee Hospital in Clydebank though I've never seen it. I think it's mentioned on the back of a certificate type thing that was given out by the government on the anniversary of Dday to all the children.

At the time news was suppressed, because it was thought to be bad for morale, as many other items were. Just as other things like Dunkirk were turned round from being what basically was a tremendous blow to the Allieds, to sound like an amazing victory.

It was a huge disaster, but at a time when the ordinary people were struggling with day to day personal issues, I suspect it had less impact than it would today.
On a similar vein, I remember reading about an air disaster that was claimed to be covered up so "almost no one knew about it". An American plane landed on a English village school in WWII, wiping out almost the entire infants and many other people as well.
Only thing was it wasn't covered up at all because I grew up in that village. It was reported in papers, it was very much known about-including there being a memorial playground maintained by the Americans that is still there today, we grew up knowing all about it-you couldn't help it.
Just at the time, from talking to survivors, people were expected to pick themselves up and keep "their peckers up". No cover up intended, simply so many people knew people who were killed that the disaster didn't have the impact that it would today unless it directly effected you.

WesternWastrel · 30/01/2021 15:41

@BelleHathor

Fpurplea Look into the Brady Bonds issued by Bush Senior that were due to be paid back on September 12th 2001.
Many of the financial shenanigans associates with 9/11 are examined in this well researched documentary.
BelleHathor · 30/01/2021 20:09

Thanks Western have saved to watch later, a lot of the sites that reported on the financial anomalies are offline now.

Saab9x · 30/01/2021 22:06

@WesternWastrel

I clicked on the profile of the guy who make that titanic video. His most recent upload is called 'the greatest lie ever told - the holocaust. There was probably a reason it was removed from YouTube.

This is how conspiracy theorists operate. They start by talking about how they just have a few doubts about official narrative and then end up linking to anti-semetic dross.

Saab9x · 30/01/2021 22:11

Gibberish written on typewriters by drunk monkeys is more well researched than a Corbett report "documentary".

TravellingTilbury · 30/01/2021 23:04

Did someone ask about the Joan Rivers/Michelle Obama conversation? I came across it today and thought of this thread! I've tried to type a transcription as best as possible so apologies for any errors. The clip is of a reporting asking Joan Rivers as she walks up some stairs into a building.

Miss Rivers how are ya? You made a tonne of news officiating the wedding in New York yesterday. Is this like, a cottage career move for you?
JR: I am so excited. And I shall do very well because I don’t .. ?? (couldn’t get that bit).
And do you think that the country, the United States will see the first gay president or the first woman president?
JR: Well, we already have it with Obama, so let’s just calm down
Got it.
JR: You know Michelle is a tranny.
I’m sorry, she’s a what?
JR: A transgender. We all know.
Oh my gosh.
JR: It’s okay.

This was a new one on me because I'd only heard this rumour a few months ago (on twatter) and had brushed it off ... actually someone had posted a daft 'proof' that her ring finger is longer than her forefinger which is apparently more 'manly' ... er, well, my ring finger is longer than my forefinger, thank you very much - and I am a definitely a woman ...

Anyway, Joan Rivers wasn't joking, so make up your own mind.

rosetylersbiggun · 30/01/2021 23:12

I believe she’s alive and William & Harry found out later that she hadn’t died. I find it odd they don’t really reference her much now.

Eh? They talk about her all the time. Harry much moreso than William but they don't mention her any less than is normal for adults speaking of a long-dead parent. The tabloids tried to create a controversy over Harry's recent comments about his mum, and there's been a lot of press coverage over the unveiling of the Diana statue in July and whether William and Harry will use it as an opportunity to bury the hatchet, whether Meghan will come with Harry, etc. etc.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 31/01/2021 03:36

I suspect Joan Rivers might have been simply aiming to shock edition.cnn.com/2014/07/04/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/joan-rivers-michelle-obama-gay-transgender/index.html

Pyewhacket · 31/01/2021 04:10

Read a book about how MI5 investigated the Soviet infiltrated of the Wilson government. If you look at some of the decisions he made regarding Defence and Foreign policy you can see why !.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 31/01/2021 05:20

@saab9x
A point worth noting perhaps, I believe that Gibberish is the natural communication method of Gibbons.
Wink

TartanTexan · 31/01/2021 05:32

Why was the Titanic conspiracy deleted upthread?

TartanTexan · 31/01/2021 05:33

Still there :)

Sphagnum · 31/01/2021 15:16

Why do so many conspiracy theories ultimately come from anti-semetic sources?

MollyButton · 31/01/2021 21:25

I really don't get why it's so laughable that there is more than one human species. Primates are all sodding primates but they have different species. There could absolutely be different types of homosapiens that haven't been discovered yet and from which some originated from.

There were different types of Homo Sapien: Nethanderthal, Devonian and Hobbitus (possible sp). Europeans seem to have remnants of Nethanderthal in our DNA - some Asian groups have remnants of Devonian. And species are now shown not to be quite like we used to think as closely related species can interbreed and produce fertile offspring sometimes.

@MistressoftheDarkSide re tech inovation. Actually a lot of it isn't that revolutionary. Washing machines existed for a long while - but just took a long time to get into normal peoples homes. There have been massive advances in making things smaller which has led to a lot of the technical innovations we have nowadays. But somethings existed as ideas that people were trying to get off the ground for decades before the right technology came along; for instance Netflix - I visited ITV studios in the late 70s early 80s and they were working towards being able to deliver films along telephone wires. They just needed Broadband to make it really work.

I think from the development of vaccines over the last year just shows how much we can progress when the world really puts its mind to it. Which is why the lack of progress on climate change is so depressing.

HeidiHaughton · 31/01/2021 21:31

The 2000 presidential election in the US was swung for Bush by a few people in Florida who knew he really lost. The Brooks Brothers riot was a planned distraction.

MollyButton · 31/01/2021 21:34

So JR is racist?

And 9/11 - ex H was in NYC very very close at the time, and it totally sounds believable. And given the smoke cloud he had to walk through to get to mid-town (probably full of asbestos and other nasties) I can't see why anyone would deliberately inflict that on some of the richest/most influential New Yorkers.

Absy · 01/02/2021 11:16

On thé tech development it’s also worth remembering that the population is bigger than it used to be, and education levels have improved meaning that there are simply more people who know how to innovate and develop. Also, as we have seen with the development of the vaccines against the coronavirus how the internet hs helped. Academics are able to share information much more easily, which means things are developed faster.

Sphagnum · 01/02/2021 11:26

Even a member of the US government believes that wildfires are started by a Jewish space laser.

Sometimes I worry for humanity.

TravellingTilbury · 01/02/2021 18:48

Has anyone read the book 'Beyond a Pale Horse' by William Cooper (I think)? I have seen it referenced and it sounds interesting but it is hard to find a copy. The 1991 copies are even harder to find (and more expensive).

TravellingTilbury · 01/02/2021 18:58

In fact, does anyone have any book recommendations I can add to a reading list? Either 'fiction' or theories I don't mind.

I read Margaret Humphreys 'Empty Cradles' a few years ago and it had a big impact. It covered the children that were shipped to Australia and Canada from the UK. I think it was made into a film, Oranges and (something I can't remember).

I liked the film Spotlight (think it won an Oscar). About Boston journalists investigating the Catholic Church.

Prefer to read the book first ... let me know of any suggestions that are worth reading.

NewspaperTaxis · 01/02/2021 19:18

An Inconvenient Death: How the Establishment Covered Up the David Kelly Affair by Miles Goslett was well-reviewed by the so-called mainstream media.

It's very well written and painstakingly researched, I found. Goslett seems to have no agenda but as with the build-up in an Agatha Christie novel, sets down what happened. Sometimes you think, okay, why is that point relevant, and then later you understand. Goslett puts the case for an indecent inquiry. The book has the usual ingredients for any conspiracy: redacted documents, enforced secrecy for roughly 100 years, documents that go missing mysteriously and then reappear without explanation, allegations of paedophilia (not against Dr Kelly) and so on.

Only one thing. After feeling all outraged about it, I came to understand that the only plausible explanation for what happened - going by the evidence in the book - is that Kelly went into hiding and lived out his life under the witness protection programme to forestall an assassination attempt that the authorities had learned of in advance. I'm not entirely sure that was the conclusion the author intended.

NewspaperTaxis · 01/02/2021 19:19

'Indecent inquiry' - sorry not sure what that autocorrected! Inquiry anyway.

TomPinch · 01/02/2021 19:38

LovePoppy,

Being in the line of succession means being legitimately descended from someone in the line of succession.

So, if Diana had children by anyone other than Charles, they would not be in the line of succession. That's because a) Diana wasn't in the line of succession herself (or leastways nowhere near the top of it) and b) they'd be illegitimate (born out of wedlock).

I remember years ago, a friend of mine claiming that Diana was done away with because she was pregnant with Dodi's child, meaning there would be potentially a Muslim royal. That theory doesn't work because for the reasons above the child wouldn't have been royal.

TomPinch · 01/02/2021 19:44

I read a book about Kelly's life and career. He spent a decade in UNSCOM as part of a long career in the MoD specialising in chemical weapons. I remember the book saying that his involvement in UNSCOM (which was a bit of a disaster) made him persona non grata. I used to wonder if there was foul play, but now I think it genuinely was just a suicide.

TravellingTilbury · 02/02/2021 00:48

@NewspaperTaxis

Have ordered. Thank you for the suggestion.