To start a new conspiracy theory thread

[Sbowiegirl]

Loved the last one!

I've been watching hunting Hitler on Amazon prime. It focuses on the idea that Hitler didn't die in the bunker in Berlin but escaped to Argentina. There's parts of the show that are ridiculous and require a good bit of reaching but there's other bits that sound very convincing. Other high profile Nazis made it to South America - why not him?

@Onebabyandamadcat Why not Hitler?
A lot of reasons. Where he was at the end - which was occupied by the Russians. Who at the best would have imprisoned and tortured him, before executing him - and it would have been a show trial.
There are witnesses who were in the bunker who all give accounts that agree pretty much.
And unlike other Nazis Hitler was well known world wide.
None of the very top escaped - a lot commited suicide. They were too well known.
The ones who did escape, tended to be towards the West, have skills or connections and not be as well known by everyone.
If you remember after the Iraq war they had playing cards to help troops recognised the "most wanted".

Oh meh, I hate pulling this shit out of the bag (not least because I know how the comments will go) I had an amazing tutor of genetics and we had many conversations about the slightly different species, originating from potentially unknown homosapiens. He didn't seem to think it was a ridiculous idea.

So unless those who are thinking me an idiot are at least a professor, then I'm really not talking out of my arse.

Because the very idea of a different species (naturally occurring thousands of times) really isn't that far out. Enjoy your evening 🙂

@TakeTheCuntOutOfScunthorpe

Why on earth would anti gun people kill children to try to get the US to give up its privately owned guns especially the repeaters that most of us believe should not be in a family home and available to children and teens?

also think some mass shootings - not all, and I'm not even sure which ones - are probably staged or at least exaggerated to bring in tighter gun controls. But I'm willing to accept that this theory is more that I can't fathom the motives and justifications people fool themselves with to think carrying out such an act is acceptable.

So instead you accuse parents who have lost children of faking it.

If you're into Hitler conspiracies I thoroughly recommend Selling Hitler by Robert Harris. It explains why some think he would have tried to get away - he went nuts when a plane carrying all his horde of goodies crashed somewhere, which he wouldn't have done if he was suicidal - the post-war cult of interest into Hitler and of course - for this is the meat of the tale - how it came about that Stern magazine, Hugh Trevor-Roper and the Sunday Times fell for the Hitler Diaries hoax.

Project Cumulus (weather manipulation) I don't necessarily believe in it but interesting to consider the possibility that the weather is fake and being controlled!

@cordeliae
Re: Project Cumulus, do you know how to switch it from rain to sun, by any chance?

[quote TwoLeftSocksWithHoles]@cordeliae
Re: Project Cumulus, do you know how to switch it from rain to sun, by any chance?[/quote]
I wish Clear sunny skies 24/7!!

mass shootings are staged?

yeah ok

There was a documentary on this a few years ago, after the conviction was quashed, and the police officer interviewed maintained that he believed the individual to be guilty. If that is said on public television - on the bbc then I fail to see why a post about it would be removed.

I don't see why the post was deleted either, but on the subject of the documentary, there were two documentaries that aired around the same time. One was very clearly biased towards painting George as 100% guilty and which only interviewed people who believed he was guilty, and one which was neutral and covered all the evidence and all the different opinions and povs. If you only watched the "guilty" one it's easy to see how someone would form an opinion he was guilty, but watching both of them really exposed how incredibly biased and inaccurate and agenda-pushing the BBC one was, and how much evidence they'd left out or twisted. I remember there being a big fuss at the time over how obviously biased the BBC was compared to the other documentary.

That's known as the 'adversarial approach' - apt in legal contexts, as that is what prosecutors and defendants do; simply ignore any evidence that doesn't advance their case. The police are not meant to do that, but in recent years they will do - hence they went after Sir Cliff, Paul Gambaccuni and Lord Field Marshall Brammall etc by simply ignoring any evidence that might exonerate them and going on a fishing expedition in the hope something might turn up.

I'm afraid Barry George really did fit this approach because there was a heck of a lot of stuff linking him to Dando I think but as he was a hoarder, that was almost inevitable. But you also got this with the Colin Stagg/Rachel Nickell case - he wasn't quite the village idiot but there was a sense that once you're in the frame, they will just go for you until the picture fits come what may.

It explains why some think he would have tried to get away - he went nuts when a plane carrying all his horde of goodies crashed somewhere, which he wouldn't have done if he was suicidal -
I don't think Hitler did consider Suicide until the very end, after a long time in that bunker. And I wouldn't call him suicidal (although he was on a lot of drugs), just could see enough of the inevitability of the end AND the Soviets getting there first. That's also why he wanted his body burnt - they would have been quite medieval with it had it been intact.
Actually the inevitability of the Soviets getting there first makes the Goebbels killing of the children make more sense.

Anyone else heard the Eva Cassidy conspiracy theory? Apparently she isn't dead, and the photographs we're all familiar with aren't even the person singing on her CDs. Some clever person at the record company came up with the tragic back-story and got a session singer to record the albums. Sort of explains why a not that interesting but competent singer with no particular personal style managed to sell loads of records for a while - and how they managed to find so much unreleased material after she got famous. Not quite sure how they explain video footage of her singing but the rest of it seems quite plausible.

We are said to have lower body temperatures (mine is 35) often left handed (we don't know why that happens either, theories but no proof yet) pale skinned.

Well that's odd. I consistently measure cold, temperature-wise, was trained out of being left handed by my mother (she couldn't explain why), and have very pale skin. I think I'm O+, though.

I lost a twin in the womb. The midwife said that twins are much more common than people realise as most of the time the second twin dies and is reabsorbed before the 12 week scan. Apparently, if you are left handed, you were probably one of twins (the other being right handed).

@cordeliae

Project Cumulus (weather manipulation) I don't necessarily believe in it but interesting to consider the possibility that the weather is fake and being controlled!

Mate, if this was an option, it would have been fucking fantastic to have had it operational over Australia from October 2019 to Feb 2020! Instead we had drought and fucking bushfires worse than had happened for ages, ever possibly.

This year has been SO MUCH BETTER in terms of rain. Think someone found the rainstick again, thank goodness!

Whilst reading through these threads it occurred that a lot of these theories are like the storytelling of old, all those fantastical Greek stories told to explain events. It was never 'the wind blew our ship off course' but the gods did it.

In a way, their belief in gods controlling human events is quite similar to conspiracy theories. There is always someone behind the curtain. Things are never just what they seem.

@StrangeLookingParasite I also have low body temperature, very pale, and ambidextrous - but i'm A rh+

@Eeeemac

Whilst reading through these threads it occurred that a lot of these theories are like the storytelling of old, all those fantastical Greek stories told to explain events. It was never 'the wind blew our ship off course' but the gods did it.

In a way, their belief in gods controlling human events is quite similar to conspiracy theories. There is always someone behind the curtain. Things are never just what they seem.

Yeah, that's it. For instance, you'd hear of people being abudcted by alien spaceships and then returned to Earth, but you only got these in the last century, say from 1950 onwards when it was all about flying saucers. You don't hear of these accounts taking place in medieval or Victorian times. In late Victorian times you'd hear about fairies at the bottom of the garden - this really was made quite plausible because of photographic trickery. Ditto with ghosts - we hear less of them these days. I'm not suggesting that people are even always deliberately lying but it's like there's a collective mania or consciousness that some tap into.

@FlorisFigure

I lost a twin in the womb. The midwife said that twins are much more common than people realise as most of the time the second twin dies and is reabsorbed before the 12 week scan. Apparently, if you are left handed, you were probably one of twins (the other being right handed).

Surely if that were true there would still be a plethora of RH/LH twins who survived? Is it particularly common for twins to have opposite-handedness? I don't think I've ever come across it (although I do know a set of "mirror twins" who are identical but opposite (eg one has hair that parts to the left, the other to the right).

The Queen died about 20 years ago and was replaced by a robot
Which means robot Queen will never die and Charles will never become King

Works for me

The one which has always stayed with me is the embalming of Diana in the Paris hospital, supposedly without any official go-ahead and supposedly "because it was a hot day" (In a major european hospital with advanced facilities? Come off it ...)

Think about this for a moment - if you're facing a very profile case, you cover your back by doing everything by the book, and while I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, the whole thing does seem damned odd

FlorisFigure
I lost a twin in the womb. The midwife said that twins are much more common than people realise as most of the time the second twin dies and is reabsorbed before the 12 week scan. Apparently, if you are left handed, you were probably one of twins (the other being right handed).

My uncle is left handed and when my granny was pregnant with him the dr thought she was having twins and she had to for a special scan. This was in the 1950’s so I think that was a big thing. There was only him, but who knows maybe there had been a twin.

Then again my grandad was one of 6 children, all his brothers and sisters were left handed except for him. So who knows.

@FlorisFigure I'm a twin and we are both right handed

@Puzzledandpissedoff

The Queen died about 20 years ago and was replaced by a robot Which means robot Queen will never die and Charles will never become King

Works for me

The one which has always stayed with me is the embalming of Diana in the Paris hospital, supposedly without any official go-ahead and supposedly "because it was a hot day" (In a major european hospital with advanced facilities? Come off it ...)

Think about this for a moment - if you're facing a very profile case, you cover your back by doing everything by the book, and while I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, the whole thing does seem damned odd

The Diana part does seem odd, but my DM died in France and my DD was told she had to be buried/cremated within a week. Absolutely no exceptions allowed. So I presume that in France they generally don't have much cold storage available for bodies due to that rule? A heatwave would mean more elderly deaths too?

Embalming a Princess from another country without permission does look like some kind of cover up though. ☹️