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To not be ashamed of being a teen mother?

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Cash02 · 24/01/2021 23:19

I’m worked up tonight, I saw another thread on a woman annoyed at a teen couples pregnancy (I won’t go into detail as to not highjack that thread, but if you saw me, hello)

I’m a teenage mother, became pregnant at 17, gave birth at 18. I’m with the father.

Everyone in that thread saying things like ‘poor baby’ and basically calling them idiots really upset me.

I feel I’m just as capable of loving a baby just as any 30 year old woman, comments like that make teen parents feel like terrible parents, and that our babies are better of without us.

I love how everyone is against ‘mum shaming’ until that mother is under the age of 20, the double standard is absolutely shocking.

Am I being stupid and should I just accept that I’m an awful evil mother?

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LadyWhistledownthe1st · 25/01/2021 23:38

@SendHelp30 exactly

RootyT00t · 25/01/2021 23:47

The point is, I've used my friend as an example because she's genuinely one of the best people I know, but I'm at that funny age where I know parents who had babies at 16 right up to 40.

I'm that awkward age where if it doesn't happen soon, it probably won't. I know people who had babies young who look at my degree/job/doing as I like life, and envy it. Wish they'd done it. I look at their life, with their little units , and want that. I have friends who got married at 20 years ago and are still going strong, and friends who divorced at 40.

You would never, in a million years, judge a woman at 30/40 whos marriage has failed who is a single parent and working all the hours God sends. But we judge teens. Why? Money? Is that all we care about now? What they put in? Or because they didn't go to uni. Maybe they didn't want to. Maybe they should decide what they want to do. Maybe they will do it later, and maybe they won't. That's their decision.

I get really irate on this because in my line of work, I see vulnerable youngsters trotted out the same old bollocks. Get a condom. Go to uni. Lots of (not all ) young teen mums come from vulnerable backgrounds themselves where they are craving love, stability and a family. They've got this man who loves them and they believe it's them against the world. Or, genuinely, they've found the right one and that's how they want to do it.

And what do we do? Educate them? Give them options? respect their choices but try and guide them?

No. We sit here, judging them, making awful comments about them and children that are already here. Does anyone think that helps? Does anyone think any teen in the history of ever went oh here, this lady says that I'll be scrounging off the system and I should wait til I'm 30, I'd better do that? No. We need to get inside their heads and speak their language. Nobody responds well to being judged, especially not people who get into the mindset of thinking well I might as well do it anyway because I'm being judged - in fact what's one more, or two more, or three? Because people will judge me anyway.

There is a poster on here whos own parents have nothing to do with her because they didn't agree with her pregnancy. What is that teaching her? What can she do at this point but struggle on and potentially get into more vulnerable decisions?

Would I actively choose teen pregnancy for my child? No. But would I copy and paste uni for all? No. I saw many, many students in my various degrees there out of duty to their parents, miserable as sin and drinking to excess, vomiting their loan down the drain. Why, pray tell, is that better than a teen using the system to raise a child and then better themselves (given the vast majority of teen/young parents I know went into useful, valuable degrees, in many cases better than our non parent peers, who are sitting here with our alright jobs and our alright lives, wistful of their family unit). I also know a few young women who had abortions, mainly due to societal pressure, and have never recovered, and that's not right either. Give these young women a chance.

It's an emotive issue. But I can't bear the judgement. It's unnecessary, and it doesn't help anyone. And apart from anything else, we aren't judging the ones thinking about it, we are judging the ones with living breathing humans and writing ridiculous things like "dont have children you can't afford". I must have missed the 'send them back' option.

As said far more succintly by a PP, you can be a shite parent at any age. Asking for help and finance does not make you a bad parent and having tons of money does not make you a good one.

RootyT00t · 25/01/2021 23:58

And, I promise this is my last word on this, but I work amongst vulnerable young girls.

If I was to get someone in to speak to them, would I choose someone who was a teen mum and who has built a life for themselves but would tell the girls exactly how hard it is and the reality (because back in the real world nobody outside your stereotypes actually PROMOTES it, they just dont judge it, two different things) and allow them to make their own choices, or would I pick Susan who has absolutely no idea and preaches shit at them from her judgement chair because she is just SO MUCH BETTER than them, and knows that you dont have kids you cant afford and why should other people pay for them, and sits telling teens on the internet that if it wasn't for their parents they would indeed fit into their stereotypical box, that they shoudl be ashamed, that its not OK and makes them feel bad about themselves, and other hideous things I've read.

What a hard choice. My iration and eye rolling aside, I wonder who the girls would listen to and take something from.

I take my hat off to each and every young woman on here tonight who has shared their experiences bravely knowing what was coming. It can't be easy, and I commend you. I really do.

Ideasplease322 · 26/01/2021 00:03

Rotytooy poorer outcomes are defined in most studios as educational attainment, also in terms of health, they are also more likely to be teem parents themselve.

This is of course averages. And will be influenced by that fact that teen mothers tend to already come from a more disadvantaged background.

I very one will quote examples of people who don’t fit the averages. And that is great. But it doesn’t change the facts.

What I am trying to say is people tend to ignore the reality, either beciase they are biased by their own personal experiences, or the Experiences of s9meone they have seen.

I wish it was the reality that a 16 year old Mother had all the life chances of 25 year old mother. It’s not true though. And your one experiences of your friend doesn’t change the experiences of the majority.

I am not at all anti teen mum. But I would not want it for any child of mine, and I fully agree that we should do all we can to reduce the rate of teen pregnancy.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 00:06

@Ideasplease322

Rotytooy poorer outcomes are defined in most studios as educational attainment, also in terms of health, they are also more likely to be teem parents themselve.

This is of course averages. And will be influenced by that fact that teen mothers tend to already come from a more disadvantaged background.

I very one will quote examples of people who don’t fit the averages. And that is great. But it doesn’t change the facts.

What I am trying to say is people tend to ignore the reality, either beciase they are biased by their own personal experiences, or the Experiences of s9meone they have seen.

I wish it was the reality that a 16 year old Mother had all the life chances of 25 year old mother. It’s not true though. And your one experiences of your friend doesn’t change the experiences of the majority.

I am not at all anti teen mum. But I would not want it for any child of mine, and I fully agree that we should do all we can to reduce the rate of teen pregnancy.

I know as many older mums as I do my pal. She is just relevant here.

Fine. But we need solutions over judgement

I'm not a teen mum but my back is up reading this thread so I can only imagine how they feel.

sozzledsantax · 26/01/2021 00:06

Well said @RootyT00t

NotTodayJesus · 26/01/2021 00:06

I was a teen mum, I had my first at 17 and my second at 19. Both different dads. I was judged on that more than being young. My situation was, what i see now, as a messed up one. I was a system child, put in care at 13, didn't know family life etc, didnt know about contraception etc. So when it happened it happened. I just wanted love. Eventually at the age if 22 i realised and got out of that life. I moved to london,went to uni (without any qualifications just just my portfolio).. yes benefits helped, I lived in london for 5years before falling in love and having my daughter (9years after my second). I'm now a single mum and have been for 6years to a 19yr old, 17yr old and a 8yr old. I completed a masters degree last year and I'm prominate in my field. If i look back on my life, i wouldn't change anything at all. Yes it was hard and my oldest two are hard work but I've tried my hardest considering I've never known how a mother should be. At the end of the day, you're your own worde judge. Fuck everyone else

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 00:07

[quote SendHelp30]@Port1aCastis you do though. Because you couldn’t support your child yourself.[/quote]
You do realise you've just admitted you put people in a stereotypical little box?
What in the world gives you the right to speak to anyone like that?

So you've decided she couldn't have afforded her child herself. Now what? These are real people.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 00:07

@sozzledsantax

Well said *@RootyT00t*
Oh don't. I appreciate I'm on one, but my blood is boiling. These are human beings , adult and child.
RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 00:08

@NotTodayJesus

I was a teen mum, I had my first at 17 and my second at 19. Both different dads. I was judged on that more than being young. My situation was, what i see now, as a messed up one. I was a system child, put in care at 13, didn't know family life etc, didnt know about contraception etc. So when it happened it happened. I just wanted love. Eventually at the age if 22 i realised and got out of that life. I moved to london,went to uni (without any qualifications just just my portfolio).. yes benefits helped, I lived in london for 5years before falling in love and having my daughter (9years after my second). I'm now a single mum and have been for 6years to a 19yr old, 17yr old and a 8yr old. I completed a masters degree last year and I'm prominate in my field. If i look back on my life, i wouldn't change anything at all. Yes it was hard and my oldest two are hard work but I've tried my hardest considering I've never known how a mother should be. At the end of the day, you're your own worde judge. Fuck everyone else
Well done. Flowers
NotTodayJesus · 26/01/2021 00:08

Typos***

Ideasplease322 · 26/01/2021 00:16

Footy

I have never said we don’t need solutions. I have never said teen mums should be vilified, I have said hey should be supported.

What I have said is it is a tough old road, it’s not an ideal situation for mother or child. And pretending it is doesn’t help.

I think you are attacking me and making me into a sterotype - and in doing so being hypocritical.

I am not stereotyping Young’s mums, but I am looking. At the evidence and arguing. Against your point that there is no difference between a 16 year old and a 25 year old.

Yes we support kids when they make a mistake, yes we push against any doors that close for them. But it is dangerous to pretend life is rosy for teen mums. We can’t stop the interventions designed to reduce teen pregnancies.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 00:19

@Ideasplease322

Footy

I have never said we don’t need solutions. I have never said teen mums should be vilified, I have said hey should be supported.

What I have said is it is a tough old road, it’s not an ideal situation for mother or child. And pretending it is doesn’t help.

I think you are attacking me and making me into a sterotype - and in doing so being hypocritical.

I am not stereotyping Young’s mums, but I am looking. At the evidence and arguing. Against your point that there is no difference between a 16 year old and a 25 year old.

Yes we support kids when they make a mistake, yes we push against any doors that close for them. But it is dangerous to pretend life is rosy for teen mums. We can’t stop the interventions designed to reduce teen pregnancies.

I assume you mean me.

I'm not attacking you one bit.

I said we need solutions not judgements, and that my back is up reading the thread. I'm not sure how on earth you can connect either of those statements to attacking you. I'm not sure what stereotype I'm making you either. I'm also not pretending life is rosy, or anything other than a tough old road I haven't said that anywhere in my posts, and I've agreed with you when you've said that it isn't the road i would choose.

My long winded posts are not directed at you.

CayrolBaaaskin · 26/01/2021 00:24

@RootyT00t we all judge people for making bad decisions. That’s life.

It’s a bad decision to have a child as a teenager because you don’t have the emotional maturity needed or the finances or the stability. That’s not at all to say teenage mums are bad mums and some don’t succeed despite the odds. But as many have noted, overall they have much poorer outcomes.

It’s not a good choice but that doesn’t mean some women can’t make the most of it.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 00:26

[quote CayrolBaaaskin]@RootyT00t we all judge people for making bad decisions. That’s life.

It’s a bad decision to have a child as a teenager because you don’t have the emotional maturity needed or the finances or the stability. That’s not at all to say teenage mums are bad mums and some don’t succeed despite the odds. But as many have noted, overall they have much poorer outcomes.

It’s not a good choice but that doesn’t mean some women can’t make the most of it.[/quote]
Fair enough. I can see that point. I'm not defending or encouraging teen pregnancy.

What I'm losing the plot as is the awful comments on this thread directly aimed at teen mums.

diversity101 · 26/01/2021 01:36

@RootyT00t I don’t remember seeing awful comments about teen mums on this thread. A lot of people have been talking about the negatives, which are statistically what most teen mums and their kids will face. Unfortunately there are no real positives to teen parents. The antidotal stories of how amazing a teen mum was are just that - antidotal. These great mums would have been great at any age but would have made their and their children’s lives harder by having babies so young.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 01:38

[quote diversity101]@RootyT00t I don’t remember seeing awful comments about teen mums on this thread. A lot of people have been talking about the negatives, which are statistically what most teen mums and their kids will face. Unfortunately there are no real positives to teen parents. The antidotal stories of how amazing a teen mum was are just that - antidotal. These great mums would have been great at any age but would have made their and their children’s lives harder by having babies so young.[/quote]
I don't think that's necessarily true, diversty. The bit about being great at any age.

There was some unecessarily personal comments to teen mums who shared their experiences and were berated for their parents funding them.

LadyWhistledownthe1st · 26/01/2021 07:03

They weren’t unnecessary comments though. These posters who are saying they defy the odds because they are supported by family; it’s not defying the odds, is it, it’s proving the point!

Because the point being made is that teen mums do not have the finances, careers, emotional maturity or stability to support children. They need support, whether that be financial & physical or otherwise; the fact remains they cannot do it alone.
That is the point that is being made.

Yes, the poster above did fit “into a box”; she admitted she couldn’t support a child on her own which is exactly what this thread has been about!

Ileflottante · 26/01/2021 08:50

What awful comments have been aimed at teen mums?

As far as I can see, it’s just people saying “being a teen mum shouldn’t be encouraged, statistically it leads to poorer outcomes for the children and young mums may be able to give love but care rarely provide financially for the child.

And then a lot of other people spitting feathers and giving anecdotal evidence about how they/their friends were teen mums and yes, they relied on parents/benefits when they were younger but now they have five kids and nine degrees and are prominent in their fields.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 10:57

@LadyWhistledownthe1st

They weren’t unnecessary comments though. These posters who are saying they defy the odds because they are supported by family; it’s not defying the odds, is it, it’s proving the point!

Because the point being made is that teen mums do not have the finances, careers, emotional maturity or stability to support children. They need support, whether that be financial & physical or otherwise; the fact remains they cannot do it alone.
That is the point that is being made.

Yes, the poster above did fit “into a box”; she admitted she couldn’t support a child on her own which is exactly what this thread has been about!

That doesn't put her into a box.

God these girls can't win.

If she relied on benefits she's wrong if she had parental support she's wrong....

I do feel strongly about this but I will never agree that actively giving opinions like that to a teen mum is cricket. I just don't.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 10:59

@Ileflottante

What awful comments have been aimed at teen mums?

As far as I can see, it’s just people saying “being a teen mum shouldn’t be encouraged, statistically it leads to poorer outcomes for the children and young mums may be able to give love but care rarely provide financially for the child.

And then a lot of other people spitting feathers and giving anecdotal evidence about how they/their friends were teen mums and yes, they relied on parents/benefits when they were younger but now they have five kids and nine degrees and are prominent in their fields.

No need to be snarky.

If people can come in here and make stereotypical judgements, why can't these women give their own life experience?

Statistics is all well and good but this is their lives.

Fufumuji · 26/01/2021 11:11

There was some unecessarily personal comments to teen mums who shared their experiences and were berated for their parents funding them

That's not true. The only thing that was said was to refute peoples claims of being a great mother doing it all by themselves as a teen, it was pointed out that great mothers doing it solo aren't living with parents, funded by parents, and supported by parents.

Can people not seperate the concept from the individual? Teen motherhood is, in and of itself, a Bad Thing. That's a fact. That doesn't mean people are saying that teen mothers are bad people, or even bad parents, per se.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 11:13

@Fufumuji

There was some unecessarily personal comments to teen mums who shared their experiences and were berated for their parents funding them

That's not true. The only thing that was said was to refute peoples claims of being a great mother doing it all by themselves as a teen, it was pointed out that great mothers doing it solo aren't living with parents, funded by parents, and supported by parents.

Can people not seperate the concept from the individual? Teen motherhood is, in and of itself, a Bad Thing. That's a fact. That doesn't mean people are saying that teen mothers are bad people, or even bad parents, per se.

In general, yes I can.

But there are teen mums on this thread, human beings.

Who don't need to be reading 'people should know you don't have kids you can't afford ' or the snarky replies to the girl who pointed out she used benefits but has now gone on to be successful.

I'm not advocating it. But I don't think it's a statistic topic - it's a real life human topic and all the judgement in the world doesn't change that.

Fufumuji · 26/01/2021 11:43

But it is a statistic topic. People here can come up with all the stories they like of successful teen mothers (and its MN, so there is a huge bias towards a certain kind of poster, you're not going to be here if you are an unsuccessful teen mother!) but they are anecdotes, and they are exceptions to the rule.
You can pretend all you like that its a valid choice and no-one should judge, but it isn't and everyone does. That's how society works. All the judgement in the world DOES change things, that is also how society works...people modify their behaviour to be acceptable to society.
We need the judgement, we need teen girls to know that its not an acceptable choice for them.
People who were teen mothers might not like it, but since they tend not to want it for their teen girls either, they are doing exactly the same thing.

Cam2020 · 26/01/2021 12:19

*Would you say that about 35 year old Jenny who's husband left and who is on the bones of her arse? Or jobless Suzy with her three Mickey mouse degrees who can't get a job?

No. You wouldn't.*

Err, they would and they do. There are numerous posts monthly, if not weekly, about how unwise being a SAHM is and what a precarious financial position that leaves women in!

That still does not justify sneering or cruel treatment of younger mothers though.