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Moving on.... it's Biden/Harris Administration time (#124)

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Roussette · 24/01/2021 14:17

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SenecaFallsRedux · 25/01/2021 14:21

My parents gave me a white one with my name embossed on it for my 10th birthday and I was the coolest of the cool at Sunday School.

Same here, including the 10th birthday part. I still have mine. White with gold lettering. And Holy Bible clearly visible on the spine as it is in several pictures of the inauguration.

Mittens030869 · 25/01/2021 14:30

Murdoch has had this kind of influence over politicians for at least 30 years, though, it isn't in the least a new thing. Remember how in the 1992 General Election, the Sun conducted a vicious campaign against Kinnock. It was said of it, 'It was the Sun what won it.' Blair made a point of making a deal with Murdoch before the 1997 election to prevent that happening again and he ended up with a massive majority.

The depressing thing is that Murdoch still has the same amount of influence today.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/01/2021 14:50

If Nixon swore an oath on a Bible at his inauguration he wasn't being a particularly observant Quaker! He should have affirmed instead.

merrymouse · 25/01/2021 14:55

Apparently, Trump rang Murdoch to try to get him to retract.

Jonathan Swan described this in the Axios podcast “how it happened”.

PerkingFaintly · 25/01/2021 15:00

Thanks, merrymouse.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/01/2021 16:03

@SenecaFallsRedux

My parents gave me a white one with my name embossed on it for my 10th birthday and I was the coolest of the cool at Sunday School.

Same here, including the 10th birthday part. I still have mine. White with gold lettering. And Holy Bible clearly visible on the spine as it is in several pictures of the inauguration.

I still have mine, too. A bit worse for wear. And yes to the gold lettering!
DGRossetti · 25/01/2021 16:10

I liked the symbolism (for so many reasons) of Biden choosing to use his family bible for the inauguration.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/01/2021 16:11

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

If Nixon swore an oath on a Bible at his inauguration he wasn't being a particularly observant Quaker! He should have affirmed instead.
Nixon 'swore', as did Hoover (another Quaker).

Bit of presidential trivia: the only POTUS definitely known to have 'affirmed' was Franklin Pierce, who was an Episcopalian.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/01/2021 16:13

My bold...

www.politico.com/news/2021/01/25/donald-trump-post-presidency-462018

Four days into his post-presidency life, Donald Trump has insulated himself from the outside world.

Unseen by the public and unusually quiet as key parts of his policy legacy are dismantled by the new administration, the once ubiquitous Trump has been plotting out his political future. But without a social media loudspeaker through which to tease his plans, few know what to expect next, including his own former aides.

“We’ll do something, but not just yet,” Trump told a reporter at his Mar-a-Lago compound on Friday.
So far, the former president has floated the creation of a third-party movement that would enable him to support MAGA-friendly candidates in the 2022 midterms and beyond. He is also interested in becoming “the nation’s leader on ballot and voting integrity,” his senior adviser Jason Miller said on a podcast last Thursday.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2021 16:16

Four days into his post-presidency life, Donald Trump has insulated himself from the outside world.

Close aides say that he has frequently asserted that if he can't see "them" then "they" can't see him, with reference to the forces of evil.

DuncinToffee · 25/01/2021 16:23

He has something to 'celebrate'

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday brought an end to lawsuits over whether Donald Trump illegally profited off his presidency.
The justices threw out Trump’s challenge to lower court rulings that had allowed lawsuits to go forward alleging that he violated the Constitution’s emoluments clause by accepting payments from foreign and domestic officials who stay at the Trump International Hotel and patronize other businesses owned by the former president and his family.
The high court also ordered the lower court rulings thrown out as well and directed appeals courts in New York and Richmond, Virginia, to dismiss the suits as moot now that Trump is no longer in office.

apnews.com/article/donald-trump-us-supreme-court-lawsuits-archive-courts-df42ef0eec5fa57edf3e294234051d88?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

DGRossetti · 25/01/2021 16:28

Count me confused.

The high court also ordered the lower court rulings thrown out as well and directed appeals courts in New York and Richmond, Virginia, to dismiss the suits as moot now that Trump is no longer in office.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/01/2021 16:30

If that happens there's going to be a very big shopping list in Mitch's back pocket. (And possibly some sightings of flying pigs)

Former top aide signals McConnell may vote to convict Trump in Capitol insurrection.
www.rawstory.com/trump-impeachment-2650128179/

DuncinToffee · 25/01/2021 16:36

From that raw story

As of now, no Senate Republican has publicly committed to convict the former president. Some have hinted they are considering it, but others have signaled they will use the excuse that he is no longer in office to seek to dismiss the charge against him.

There seems to be some kind theme developing here...

PerkingFaintly · 25/01/2021 17:05

Ah bum. I'm also really disappointed the Supreme Court has stopped the emoluments cases being heard.

Also, confused.

I completely understand the case about Trump blocking critics from his Twitter account is moot, because there is no longer any remedy. He's no longer president so his ramblings are no longer part of the record, so it doesn't matter whether the public can see them.

But how are the emoluments now moot? What would the remedy usually be?

Merely that the person breaking the clause would be told to stop doing it? In that case I can see why it's moot.

But if there's some punitive action, then that surely wouldn't be moot?

It does seem extraordinary that there might be no punitive action; surely that makes the clause entirely toothless. The corrupt incumbent could just say, "Shan't," when told to stop taking money or benefits from foreign powers, and that would be that. If it depends upon Congress to decide whether or not to punish someone who breaks the rules... well we can see how that went.

Yet another area to be tightened up, now that someone has actually pushed the envelope. As if the new administration didn't have enough to do...

I do feel this is quite important, though. The fact that Saudis are among the elements alleged to have paid Trump through his businesses, and that a change in US policy towards Saudi Arabia has been top of Biden's To Do list, makes obvious just how important.

Lweji · 25/01/2021 17:25

"Former Office of Government Ethics chief Walter Shaub blasted the court's decision as "insane" in a tweet, arguing the emolument cases were not moot, as the court said."
""(Trump) still has the money. When any other federal employee violates the emoluments clause they have to forfeit the money," Shaub wrote."

edition.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/emoluments-supreme-court-donald-trump-case/index.html

I can't find anywhere how the vote went.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2021 17:32

@Lweji

"Former Office of Government Ethics chief Walter Shaub blasted the court's decision as "insane" in a tweet, arguing the emolument cases were not moot, as the court said." ""(Trump) still has the money. When any other federal employee violates the emoluments clause they have to forfeit the money," Shaub wrote."

edition.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/emoluments-supreme-court-donald-trump-case/index.html

I can't find anywhere how the vote went.

Well it is moot now. No higher court than SCOTUS.
sadpapercourtesan · 25/01/2021 17:35

He's going to get away with everything, isn't he Angry

Lweji · 25/01/2021 17:43

Yes. As they usually do.
But the emoluments clause dragged on for the 4 years. I wasn't expecting much from there.

I'm just happy he's out and not of his own will. Sometimes we need to let go. I've had enough practice with exH.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2021 17:48

@sadpapercourtesan

He's going to get away with everything, isn't he Angry
He might.

Maybe the next will too.

But eventually there will come a point where someone less restrained than ourselves will intervene. And that's how revolutions start. You'd think of all the countries in the world, the US would know that ....

merrymouse · 25/01/2021 17:54

He's going to get away with everything, isn't he

Maybe, but it depends what he does next, as a private citizen.

I can't believe that Mitch McConnell and Liz Cheney would surrender the Republican Party without a fight, and Trump's obvious character flaws make him both a liability and vulnerable.

merrymouse · 25/01/2021 18:02

But eventually there will come a point where someone less restrained than ourselves will intervene. And that's how revolutions start. You'd think of all the countries in the world, the US would know that ....

I don't think there would be a revolution - just a gradual move towards greater independence for individual states and loosening of ties until the structure of the US is no longer sustainable and bits start to break off - similar to the path Scotland might be travelling within the UK.

merrymouse · 25/01/2021 18:05

Although maybe that is just how British people behave -traditionally Americans are more outspoken!

DGRossetti · 25/01/2021 18:54

@merrymouse

But eventually there will come a point where someone less restrained than ourselves will intervene. And that's how revolutions start. You'd think of all the countries in the world, the US would know that ....

I don't think there would be a revolution - just a gradual move towards greater independence for individual states and loosening of ties until the structure of the US is no longer sustainable and bits start to break off - similar to the path Scotland might be travelling within the UK.

No disrespect but:

greater independence for individual states

can't happen without a(nother) civil war.

merrymouse · 25/01/2021 19:08

greater independence for individual states

can't happen without a(nother) civil war.

Depends. At one point Scotland and Ireland would only have been able to break away from the union through war. Now, with the support of enough citizens both could have or could break away through a democratic process.

Unions that govern by consent can allow members to leave. Political situations can change. It’s not as though all the states joined the US through war or invasion.