Moving on.... it's Biden/Harris Administration time (#124)

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That's not the present situation at all Crankley.
There are legal checks and balances and rights already in existence.
Title IX for example, refers to sex ( not gender)
www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inclusion/title-ix-frequently-asked-questions
Title X
www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/health-care-equity/title-x

My understanding is that the new administration intends to widen accessibility to health care for those currently excluded. Not at the expense of women's rights.

We'll have to see. There are genuine concerns. I'm aware of them. I would hope that USA women campaign to make sure that their concerns are heard.

Family reunification task force: YES!
eliminating privatised prisons: YES!
Removing anti-abortion strictures on family planning: YES

Thank you, TaxTheRatFarms, that's lots of good news.

I know the Mexico City policy as "the gag rule". It seriously impacts the provision of family planning services, and has been shown to increase the number of unwanted pregnancies. I'll be delighted to see it go... again.

“The themes next week will be "Buy American,"

Yes, Boris. About that trade deal ...

My interest in these threads stems from the fact that the fiction of a US friendly to the UK Brexiteer lunatics is badly affecting my country.

I hope that, as part of this, there will be urgent action on immigration detention centres where, it's alleged, multiple women have been subjected to hysterectomies, sometimes without foreknowledge never mind free consent.

The allegations may turn out to be untrue, of course. But at the very least there needs to be an investigation – an honest one, not a whitewash.

My interest in these threads stems from the fact that the fiction of a US friendly to the UK Brexiteer lunatics is badly affecting my country.

Well indeed.

@PerkingFaintly

I hope that, as part of this, there will be urgent action on immigration detention centres where, it's alleged, multiple women have been subjected to hysterectomies, sometimes without foreknowledge never mind free consent.

The allegations may turn out to be untrue, of course. But at the very least there needs to be an investigation – an honest one, not a whitewash.

Yip, DGR.

Ice detainees faced medical neglect and hysterectomies, whistleblower alleges
Nurse Dawn Wooten says she was demoted and reprimanded when she spoke out about practices at Georgia detention center
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/14/ice-detainees-hysterectomies-medical-neglect-irwin-georgia

Wooten reported an alarmingly high rate of hysterectomies – a surgery in which part or all of the uterus is removed – being performed on Spanish-speaking immigrants, many of whom did not appear to understand why they had undergone the procedure.

She said an off-site doctor supposedly performed the surgeries on women who complained of heavy menstrual cycles, but that many women seemed to not understand what had happened. In many cases nurses obtained consent from patients by “simply Googling Spanish”, the complaint alleges.

Eugenics comes to mind.
There is a lot that will come out later, rather than sooner, about the previous administration.

Perking I’m with you there - I really hope the immigration detention centres will be very thoroughly investigated as a result of Friday’s EO. (And when I say investigated, I mean completely shut down and replaced with something humane. Not that we’re much better here in the U.K., as the immigration detentions centres here are horrific too.)

That story, was from Sep 2020. I was hoping there might be positive developments, and in a sense there is, because this follow-up article says:
But there hasn’t been evidence to support an initial claim that he performed a large number of hysterectomies.

However it also says:

The Trump administration is trying to deport several women who allege they were mistreated by a Georgia gynecologist at an immigration detention center, according to their lawyers.
[...]
“Ice is destroying the evidence needed for this investigation,” said Elora Mukherjee, a Columbia University law professor who is working with several of the women.

Mbeti Ndonga, 37, was taken to Amin last year after seeking treatment for abdominal pain and excessive vaginal bleeding. She said she wanted a new prescription to continue treatment ordered by a previous doctor.

Instead, she said, Amin insisted she have a procedure known as dilation and curettage, in which tissue is removed from the uterus as a treatment for excessive bleeding.

Her medical records show she was also given a laparoscopy, in which incisions are made in the abdomen.

“He was adamant and said I must have surgery,” Ndonga told AP.

When she awoke, she said Amin told her she would never be able to have children. It’s unclear whether that’s the case. She still suffers from bleeding and pain, and other women also reported non-consensual treatment that left them harmed.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/11/us-deportations-women-allege-detention-center-gynecologist-abuse

Programme on BBC2 now. Trump election downfall.

More women coming forward as recently as December:

More immigrant women say they were abused by Ice gynecologist
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/22/ice-gynecologist-hysterectomies-georgia

Thanks, Coquohvan. Watching now!

Watching Trump Downfall now. Good that it’s recorded for posterity all those who pandered to the 2 yo in support of the big lie.

Omg - didn’t realise how bad Giuliani’s dripping hair dye was!

Well. That was fascinating.

Watching the behaviour of the enablers, with the benefit of just a few weeks' hindsight, was illuminating.

Stooges like Pompeo, standing on his hind legs saying, "smooth transition to a second Trump presidency"...

They looked like kids having fun seeing how much they could get away with before Brad's mum would come in and ground them all.

So much fun.

Also very interesting seeing so much of the messaging that was being hosed at the poor daft Elizabeths of Knoxville.

I sometimes dip into Fox to see what they're up to, but haven't dedicated the time to it recently. So although I kinda guessed, it was educational to see Fox puffing up the lies with all their best faux outrage and baying for the FBI to take action to rescue "Trump's win".

I do feel very sorry for the viewers on the receiving end of this stuff. If that's what someone was shouting at me dawn to dusk, and appearing to believe it themselves, then I might find myself believing some of it too.

I don't doubt some of the people who turned up at the Capitol did so in good faith, sincerely believing they were doing a good thing.

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Those Fox presenters must really believe the shit they spout or how else can they look themselves in the eye?!

Is there any shame or misgiving when they look back at their role?

Sorry, but no amount of money....

I think I'm still trying to process the fact that Biden really IS the POTUS. After the last 4 years, it's hard to believe the sun is shining once again.

As far as his EOs so far, I'm not too worried. There will be changes and amendments, some won't be put into effect for some time, if at all.

As far as his EO on gender discrimination, it's not a law and it doesn't willy nilly open all doors to 'women only' spaces. It merely says that such requests and/or 'bans' must be looked at without prejudice. It states: "This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person".

Joe's got a long, slow slog in front of him. And he will make missteps. One difference (among millions of differences) between him and Doofus is that Joe will not be afraid to admit he's made a mistake, nor will he be too egotistical to change a policy that didn't do what it was supposed to do or that 'missed the target'.

Appreciating pointythings' and NotaRealLawyer's analysis of what the EO on trans rights actually means. Thank you for that - look forward to reading more.

Thanks AcrossthePond55 too - I crossposted with your post.

Sobering article by Sarah Baxter in today's Sun Times. On a visit to Pennsylvania, where she'd lived for some time ten years ago, she went back to talk to someone she'd spoken to during the campaign. Lauren, 61, a Rep election monitor. 'She seems a kind woman. a practising Catholic who works as a behavioural therapist and substitute teacher.' Baxter wanted to know if she would give Biden a chance.

The answer was No. She hadn't watched the Inauguration. She sees him as 'the corrupt head of a crime family, borderline senile and in need of a 'food taster' to protect him from Harris. She believes Trump's farewell message ....contained a hidden meaning about his return.'

Baxter says her views are commonplace, can be heard non-stop on conservative news stations. Her conclusion is that each half of the nation inhabits an alternative universe and what we have now is an uncomfortable truce.

Is there any regulation of news outlets in the USA? We do have a regulatory body, and news must be 'balanced'. Russia Today got fined £250,000 for its coverage of the Skripal poisoning. But then RT is foreign, not an ally. Tricky in the American context.

We've discussed the Murdoch family's media control before, but I'm not sure I'm properly up-to-date. I know Rupert used to be very hands on with his news and "news" outlets, and set editorial tone.

I seem to remember he's relaxed his grip slightly of recent years, but I could be wrong. Son James has, of course, very publicly walked away from the whole shebang because he couldn't stomach the editorial tone (so manifestly he wasn't in control of that).

I wonder how much the tone and content of what's being spewed at Lauren from Pennsylvania is – however remotely – being determined by Rupert Murdoch? Murdoch does like being in the shadows and using the rear entrance to 10 Downing Street, as we learned during the phone hacking scandal.

The Mercers, too, like to stay out of the headlines. They of course, founded Breitbart.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mercer

Sinclair is more corporate, but has certainly been directing editorial tone from the top and ordering its local channels to be more conservative.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

However I don't know if Sinclair is, like Fox, highly emotive and inaccurate, or just supports Republican-ish themes.

I'm just wittering about this to help me remember who is behind the messaging deluging Lauren in Pennsylvania. Easy to focus on the presenter and forget the execs.

Plus I was reminded of all this by: "Trump: the Downfall", when slimy Farage trotted out his perennial chestnut that Trump was "taking on the elite". As though Trump were not one of "the elite"! And the frontman for the pet project of some very elite elite.