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Moving on.... it's Biden/Harris Administration time (#124)

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Roussette · 24/01/2021 14:17

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Roussette · 10/02/2021 18:27

So true

Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
2h
If Senate Republicans fail to convict Donald Trump, it won't be because the facts were with him or his lawyers mounted a competent defense. It will be because the jury includes his co-conspirators.

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DuncinToffee · 10/02/2021 18:29

Sorry for just copying and pasting tweets without mentioning the authors, there are so many tweeting basically the same thing at the same time, that I can't really keep up otherwise

NotaRealLawyer · 10/02/2021 18:29

Footage of Stop the Stealers shouting outside of a Governors house .
Effective building up this narrative of Trump's constant incitement in the months building up to the election.

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Roussette · 10/02/2021 18:30

It really is very apt that Trump's tweets come back to bite him on the arse.

There is no denying of them.

As Eric Swalwell says... Trump tweeted/reminded them (his supporters) over and over and over again to turn up on Jan. 6th

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FridayNightAtTheBronze · 10/02/2021 18:30

The issue is that no matter how strong a case the impeachment managers put forward, and how much evidence there is, the majority of Republicans are still not going to vote to impeach Trump anyway, for reasons that have nothing to do with the election or the insurrection.

I really don't understand why the vote can't be anonymous. You can guarantee that behind the scenes Trump is bullying, blackmailing and bribing. The trial is almost meaningless, as they are going to acquit him anyway.

NotaRealLawyer · 10/02/2021 18:31

Keep going Duncin, you are painting a good picture for the rest of us.

prettybird · 10/02/2021 18:32

LQ - that's what I was remembering. But he'd be even more apoplectic this time around Grin

His last impeachment (ShockHmm) was more esoteric and based on a technicality - even though what he did was wrong. This one is attacking him rightly personally

I do so hope that a whole load of Republican senators suddenly decide that they are indisposed and can't attend - but unfortunately I think that too many of them are too feart/corrupt/sycophants/right wing loonies/power hungry (perm any combination of those choices) and will vote against the impeachment in the face of overwhelming evidence.

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Roussette · 10/02/2021 18:33

I cannot get over how incriminating this all is.

He'll probably get away with it, but it is so obvious what he was doing.

Inciting insurrection.

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 10/02/2021 18:34

@FridayNightAtTheBronze

The issue is that no matter how strong a case the impeachment managers put forward, and how much evidence there is, the majority of Republicans are still not going to vote to impeach Trump anyway, for reasons that have nothing to do with the election or the insurrection.

I really don't understand why the vote can't be anonymous. You can guarantee that behind the scenes Trump is bullying, blackmailing and bribing. The trial is almost meaningless, as they are going to acquit him anyway.

You'd think that Trump had reversed so many norms in his term at the White House, that Congress could be prevailed upon to reverse their own voting norms, wouldn't you? But then, you'd think they'd be starting to amend the Constitution properly to stop a Trump happening again, and that's not going to happen, either.
DuncinToffee · 10/02/2021 18:35

Re Republicans

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto

Keep in mind: most Republican senators in the chamber today refused to reject the big lie about a stolen election for weeks after Nov 3 - and eight of them voted the night of Jan 6 to overturn results.

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Roussette · 10/02/2021 18:38

Hearing clips of Trump with his voice droning on... ye gods I don't miss him. It's so refreshing not to have to listen to him anymore.
Thank God he's gone whatever happens.

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NotaRealLawyer · 10/02/2021 18:38

@FridayNightAtTheBronze

The issue is that no matter how strong a case the impeachment managers put forward, and how much evidence there is, the majority of Republicans are still not going to vote to impeach Trump anyway, for reasons that have nothing to do with the election or the insurrection.

I really don't understand why the vote can't be anonymous. You can guarantee that behind the scenes Trump is bullying, blackmailing and bribing. The trial is almost meaningless, as they are going to acquit him anyway.

It should be anonymous, I agree, I think the vote would be very different.

I'd be shocked if they don't aquit.
But for now, the world can see exactly what's happened. It's an historical record too.
And the GOP is finished, if representatives can't live up to the Oaths they took.
Trump, long term, is finished.

ListeningQuietly · 10/02/2021 18:39

The CNN live feed
edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-trial-02-10-2021/index.html
works in the background
I have it running at the moment while also playing scrabble

ListeningQuietly · 10/02/2021 18:42

Fridaynight
I really don't understand why the vote can't be anonymous.
No legislature in the world has anonymous voting
EVER
THey are elected to represent us
we have a right to know how they vote on every issue

DuncinToffee · 10/02/2021 18:50

CNN roundtable says some Senators were reading books with their feet up on their desks while the impeachment trial was happening. (There are no reaction camera shots, per an agreement.)

New on @MSNBC: Republican Josh Hawley wasn't paying attention for parts of the trial. He was sitting with his legs up on the seat in front of him, reading unrelated materials, according to @GarrettHaake.

FridayNightAtTheBronze · 10/02/2021 18:51

ListeningQuietly

No legislature in the world has anonymous voting
EVER
THey are elected to represent us
we have a right to know how they vote on every issue

The vote to remove Liz Cheney was anonymous. I'm sure if it hadn't been, the vote would have been very different.

I completely get your point about the public needing to know how their representatives vote, but it leaves the Senators open to so much more corruption and coercion.

Donald Trump has been very clear about making it his goal to destroy anyone who votes to impeach him. That must be making a difference in how Senators are planning to vote.

FridayNightAtTheBronze · 10/02/2021 18:54

DuncinToffee

New on @MSNBC: Republican Josh Hawley wasn't paying attention for parts of the trial. He was sitting with his legs up on the seat in front of him, reading unrelated materials, according to @GarrettHaake.

What a despicable and disrespectful person. God help America if he wins the 2024 election. There are rumours of him wanting to run.

minou123 · 10/02/2021 18:56

@DuncinToffee

CNN roundtable says some Senators were reading books with their feet up on their desks while the impeachment trial was happening. (There are no reaction camera shots, per an agreement.)

New on @MSNBC: Republican Josh Hawley wasn't paying attention for parts of the trial. He was sitting with his legs up on the seat in front of him, reading unrelated materials, according to @GarrettHaake.

It doesn't surprise me, at all.

Which is quite sad really.

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Roussette · 10/02/2021 18:58

And I read Rand Paul was doing a very detailed doodle of the Capitol. Not looking up, not listening.

What bastards they are. They have a duty to listen.

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DGRossetti · 10/02/2021 18:58

@ListeningQuietly

Fridaynight I really don't understand why the vote can't be anonymous. No legislature in the world has anonymous voting EVER THey are elected to represent us we have a right to know how they vote on every issue
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
DGRossetti · 10/02/2021 18:59

@Roussette

And I read Rand Paul was doing a very detailed doodle of the Capitol. Not looking up, not listening.

What bastards they are. They have a duty to listen.

We get the representatives we deserve.
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Roussette · 10/02/2021 19:00

It reminds me of when Jacob Rees Mogg lay out on one of the HoC benches and pretended to go to sleep when someone was speaking.

Rude, disrespectful and says everything about these people who should be honoured and awed to be in this position.

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ListeningQuietly · 10/02/2021 19:06

Fridaynight
The vote to remove Liz Cheney was anonymous
That was an internal party vote
NOT
a vote by elected representatives

NotaRealLawyer · 10/02/2021 19:06

Madeleine Dean, next Impeachment Manager.
Presenting "The Actions of a Desperate President"

minou123 · 10/02/2021 19:07

@Roussette

It reminds me of when Jacob Rees Mogg lay out on one of the HoC benches and pretended to go to sleep when someone was speaking.

Rude, disrespectful and says everything about these people who should be honoured and awed to be in this position.

Yes!

And the crazy thing is, they are the first to cry, stamp thier feet, blither on about "cancel culture" and having thier voices surpressed!