Moving on.... it's Biden/Harris Administration time (#124)

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Previous thread...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4141906-For-there-is-always-light-Thread-123-is-belong-to-President-Biden?watched=1&msgid=103967923#103967923

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/donald-trump-impeachment-trial-what-you-need-to-know

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-vote-bill-cassidy-b1800171.html

As we approach the Chinese New Year it's worth thinking about the other consequences of Trumpian propaganda:

www.vice.com/en/article/pkdw4z/attacks-on-elders-asian-american-community-racism-covid

www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-impeachment-2650426785/

'CNN legal analyst Norm Eisen warned former President Donald Trump on Wednesday that should be prepared for more bruising days ahead even if the Senate ultimately acquits him on the charge of inciting an insurrection.'

Good grief. "A 27-year-old Chinese American immigrant, Vincent Chin was attacked and killed in Detroit in 1982 by two auto industry workers who were upset about layoffs linked to Japanese imports" and Thai, Filipino and Vietnamese people are attacked over the "China virus" garbage promulgated by Trump. These ignorant thugs can't even tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese, Chinese and Filipino.

DGRossetti
Requires 2/3rds majority, so 67 votes.
If all senators attend ....

The number of non-attending Republican senators which would be needed for a 2/3 majority in favour of impeachment would be 25, which is even more than the 17 needed for a Yes vote if the house is full. (50 Democrats is two thirds of 75.)

This assumes that Republican senators lie: Collins has more than once allowed it to be thought she would do the honest thing and then done the opposite, so I have no faith in her honesty at all, and no reason to think the other five are any more likely than her to stick to their guns. Each one of them who does vote Yes reduces the number needed to stay away, but their voting Yes can't be relied on.

(but if 56 do vote yes, then only 14 Republican senators need to get covid/a bad cold for the day.)

Straightforward typo: that ought to be 16, not 14. Sorry.

AskingQuestions To be fair, DH is Japanese and is frequently mistaken for Chinese by Chinese people, until they try to talk to him!

However, you’re right - the distinction between East Asian (Japanese/Chinese/Korean) and South East Asian (Vietnamese/Thai/Filipino etc) is much clearer, and the ignorance of attacking anyone of any Asian appearance for the actions of the Chinese government is as idiotic as it is dangerous.

Even the WHO thread yesterday was full of criticisms of the Chinese government, but not often enough framed as “the Chinese government are bad.” Instead “the Chinese” “China”. All it takes is for the less intelligent racist to see multiple messages of “the Chinese are bad”, and there’s their “justification” for the attacks.

That kind of “you can’t trust the Chinese/China virus” rhetoric led to ds1 being bullied pretty relentlessly about coronavirus when it became known last year. Such gems as “you’re a chink, bet you’ve got that chinky virus!” He had to carefully explain that he wasn’t actually from China, and Japan was a different country and they were a twat.

It will also come down to what Senators think will come out of the census and then the mid terms
AND
Trump's financial tribulations are just starting
AND
Ghislane Maxwell's 2016 deposition will include where she recruited some of the girls from

its all to play for

and at the same time Biden is just getting on with running the country

Attacking anyone in one country for the actions of the government of another country is disgusting racism all by itself, on the whole.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Attacking anyone in one country for the actions of the government of another country is disgusting racism all by itself, on the whole.

Attacking anyone in one country for the actions of the government of another country is disgusting racism all by itself, on the whole.

Personally - absent illegal actions - I think there is a bit more nuance to it than that. There's also a slight whiff of hypocrisy about people banging on about democracy, and then trying to hide behind the argument "it's the nasty governments fault" rather than accepting their role in things. And even if people want to tell me I'm wrong (happens a lot ) it's not so much what I think that matters. It's what the people we bomb, maim and kill abroad think that matters.

and then trying to hide behind the argument "it's the nasty governments fault" rather than accepting their role in things.

Yes, in a democracy people should bear some responsibility for the actions of their own government, but other people's governments?

Or maybe I am misunderstanding your post?

@merrymouse

and then trying to hide behind the argument "it's the nasty governments fault" rather than accepting their role in things.

Yes, in a democracy people should bear some responsibility for the actions of their own government, but other people's governments?

Or maybe I am misunderstanding your post?

No you're spot on.

It's why I was so passionate about "Stop the War" (for all the fucking good that did). If the UK government - which as we are reminded to the point of boredom (especially by the UK government) - is a democratically elected government chooses to bomb innocent people in far away lands them morally and politically, that's on me.

Or any UK citizen.

And you could say pretty much the same about the US.

When the hearing re-starts today....

Yamiche Alcindor
@Yamiche
NEWS: The new evidence being shown by Democratic House Impeachment Managers today is previously unseen security camera footage shot from inside the Capitol. A Dem source says that the video will show "just how close Trump's mob came to senators, members of Congress and staff."

'He had to carefully explain that he wasn’t actually from China, and Japan was a different country and they were a twat.'

Good for your DS TaxtheRatFarms.

"Attacking anyone in one country for the actions of the government of another country is disgusting racism all by itself, on the whole."

Personally - absent illegal actions - I think there is a bit more nuance to it than that. There's also a slight whiff of hypocrisy about people banging on about democracy, and then trying to hide behind the argument "it's the nasty governments fault" rather than accepting their role in things. And even if people want to tell me I'm wrong (happens a lot grin) it's not so much what I think that matters. It's what the people we bomb, maim and kill abroad think that matters.

There is no nuance to it whatever.

Here is a direct parallel. Some of my family come from Germany. If Boris Johnson said that Covid had been designed and let loose by "the Germans", would that justify racist thugs attacking me? Born in England as I was? I think not.

Attacking a person of Chinese ancestry living in America for what may or may not have been done by the government of a country to which that Chinese-American has never been is not justified.

It is not reasonable to attack a person living in one country, for the actions of the government of another country. For the actions of their own government, perhaps; but for those of a government not their own? They might as well, with equal justification, attack me because the government in Myanmar has been attempting genocide against the Rohingya people.

Here is a direct parallel. Some of my family come from Germany. If Boris Johnson said that Covid had been designed and let loose by "the Germans", would that justify racist thugs attacking me? Born in England as I was? I think not.

That's a parallel to the situation you were explaining, which wasn't the situation I was describing ...

I'm not - and have never claimed to be - an expert, and occasionally I may not get my point across with the accuracy demanded on these forums.

So, following on from discussion about FB, Twitter etc policing content, here's what they can do.

Popped up in my feed a minute ago.

So they can find and cover a feeble joke post, but they can't find and locate posts inciting violence ?

(ATTN House committee. If you want me to testify for you, I have a lovely speaking voice, and a fetching selection of this seasons features).

Talking about twitter

Kyle Griffin @KyleGriffin1

Twitter CFO Ned Segal tells CNBC that Trump's ban is permanent, even if he runs for office again: "When you're removed from the platform, you're removed from the platform."

Is RICO the modern equivalent of the law which led to Al Capone's downfall? For my sanity, I just need Trump (and hopefully other members of his corrupt extended family and close friends) to be brought to justice and jailed and for this hell to be over with. The spectre of him or one of his returning as leader of the Republicans in 2024 is too awful to contemplate. After Jamie Raskin's presentation yesterday, I cannot conceive how any right-minded person who is loyal to their country can accept Trump as a viable leader and think killing people whilst invading the seat of government of their country can ever be the corret think to do, constitutionally. To my mind, it is clearly domestic terrorism and anyone who supports Trump and the alt-Right after that display should themselves be stripped of their office and jailed.
(Don't mind me, I'm in a really bad mood about things in my own life.)

@DuncinToffee

Talking about twitter

Kyle Griffin @KyleGriffin1

Twitter CFO Ned Segal tells CNBC that Trump's ban is permanent, even if he runs for office again: "When you're removed from the platform, you're removed from the platform."

So what happens if a person is removed, but then wins office which comes with a Twitter account ? Are they removing the person or the account ?

Far be it from me to suggest to such geniuses as the people who run Twitter, but I am suggesting they really haven't thought this through.

If you are in charge of a platform that runs at internet speed, you probably need people in charge whose brains run at internet speed. Seems Twitter are still on dial up. To a bulletin board.

Yes that statement raises a whole new set of questions. I can't find more information on this, no idea about the context in which this question was asked.

I read somewhere that Trump was back on social media, he posted his lawyers document, but I can't remember where I read it.

Day 2 Starting.
Apparently, House Managers to show new Capitol management footage today.
Bruce Castor ( Mr. Waffle) is replaced by Schoen ( Mr. Angry) as Trump lead lawyer.