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AIBU?

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Not to tell siblings about mothers death?

233 replies

SunsetSenora · 23/01/2021 19:34

I am one of 4 children, a lot younger than my siblings. My parents were 18 when they married, each desperate to escape a hated mother, and it did not make for a happy family - all of the kids have been estranged from the family at some point. As an adult I worked through a lot of stuff and reconciled with my mother, spending the last 10 years living near her, and helping nurse her for the last few. My brother lives in the same town but cut off contact with my mum about 10 years ago, which was devastating to her. He could have made contact at any time, as my sister and mother have lived in the same houses since before he cut himself off. He has always been the type of person who takes no responsibility for his actions, uses what ever he can get his hands on, and sponges off (or steals) from the people around him. I have spent hours listening to her when she wanted to talk about this, and when it became obvious she was dying, offered to go and find him. She said she didn't want the hassle, but I think it would have been heart-breaking if she know he knew how ill she was and didn't respond. I have another sister who lives overseas, who is very similar to my brother but even more so. We have not talked to for about 4 years, since she told me she was going to 'go out for a slap up meal and celebrate that woman's death' when talking about my mother. I pointed out that, not only was that a horrible sentiment about anyone, but she was also talking about my mother and she hung up. So, the question is -now mum has died should I try to track them down to tell them? I don't want to, but part of me feels really bad about the whole situation.

OP posts:
nanbread · 24/01/2021 14:22

OP you are kind thinking of them and going out of your way to inform them. You don't owe them anything and you certainly don't deserve grief over it.

As you say you've spoken to your siblings and to the best of your knowledge your mother wasn't abusive. But even if she was, you would be doing nothing wrong by informing them, or indeed by not informing them, some posters just love to stick the boot in.

Fufumuji · 24/01/2021 14:48

they don't deserve it

You don't know that. You know nothing about the situation.

OP's sister could have come on and said "My mother died and my sister didn't tell us. I have been no contact for years due to years of childhood abuse and dysfunctional family relationships, but I still wanted to know that she had died. AIBU?"

Would you have said "fuck you bitch, you don't deserve it?" which is the tone of some of these posts? I doubt it.

None of you know the story here. OP doesn't even know.

SunsetSenora · 24/01/2021 14:55

@Fufumuji

being the youngest I was left out of a lot of the dysfunction when I was growing up)

Yes, and you really have no way of knowing what happened to your siblings.
IF they have all cut themselves off from their mother, they had good reasons. You did it yourself, so you know. BEing older, they probably had a much worse time of it than you did.

Does that explain them stealing? Credit card fraud? My sister coming to stay with her small child, 'going out for a drive' and showing back up months later saying she 'just needed space'? Did you comfort the child, put her in school? That is what my mum did. And if she was so bad, why would my sister have dumped her child on her. You have no way of knowing what you are really talking about and yet it is not stopping you from commenting. The good reason they cut contact were they got caught too many times and couldnt get any more out of her.
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Happynow001 · 24/01/2021 15:16

@SunsetSenora

In your situation I think I'd do the bare minimum so that, if necessary, you feel you are doing your duty to your mother, if nobody else. Whether that means sending them a letter, without any of your contact details on and/or an announcement in the paper.

If you feel they are likely to turn up at the funeral and cause problems I'd even leave it until everything has concluded before any announcements.

What you are going through is tough. Don't do anything which will bring pain into your life in the future. 🌹

littlepattilou · 24/01/2021 15:28

@Pechanga

They removed contact and have not stayed in touch - we're in the middle of a pandemic with many people dying....neither has reached out to see if she is still alive or to provide a contact. No they don't need to be told because they clearly don't care if she's dead or alive.

After everything you've been through you do not meet to go about if your way to find these people, they don't deserve it.

This 100%. ^ They clearly give zero shits about their mother, so they don't deserve to be told she has died. (IMO.)

And why do they need to know anyway? So they can turn up at her funeral and act like they cared about her?

People showing 'sorrow' and 'sadness' at a funeral of someone they haven't said a single fucking word to in a decade or more, really boils my piss.

I don't know or care what the reason is. If you had no contact with them for some years when they were alive, don't pretend you're sad when they die.

It's nothing more than trying to yourself feel better and make peace with your guilt and remorse.

BrumBoo · 24/01/2021 15:36

I don't know or care what the reason is. If you had no contact with them for some years when they were alive, don't pretend you're sad when they die.

It always amazes me how some people have zero insight or ability to think outside how their own lives are. When I was told my parent had died, I cried, for many reasons. Sadness that there would be no closure, so many questions left unanswered, grieving the good relationships we could never have due to their behaviour, the fact they never once accepted they had been a bad parent. Amongst that was also relief, that despite everything they were no longer suffering with one of the worst longterm diseases you can have, and felt we were both now free of the toxicity we brought each other.

I dont particularly care what people like you think of those of us that fo NC with a parent, even when we know they're dying. You have no right to decide that the person who went NC shouldn't be given the time to digest the news as much as anyone else in the family, or choose to attend the funeral.

TwelvePaws · 24/01/2021 15:38

Based on your updates, why would you even think of inconveniencing yourself to track them down in order to tell them? I just really don’t understand why you would bother.

Latetodate · 24/01/2021 15:42

Oh OP I feel for you. You have his lost your mum after a long traumatic time caring for her, you must be feeling very raw, your siblings are not sharing the bereavement and now you have strangers on the internet throwing their opinions at you.

You have just lost your mum, you are exhausted and grief-stricken, you owe nobody anything.

Please put your own needs first. If this thread is causing you stress, maybe step away, protect yourself from more hurt. X

Latetodate · 24/01/2021 15:42

*just

SnoozyLou · 24/01/2021 15:46

@SunsetSenora There's obviously a lot more to the story than you could cram into the opening post. If they are as you say, I wouldn't be falling over myself to find them either.

A friend of mine cut contact with his mother. I couldn't understand it. Then she let rip at him on social media (very obviously pissed) saying they most horrendous things and I finally got it.

Family relationships aren't always salvageable. And children are equally capable of being complete arseholes to their parents, sometimes with no good reason.

Lepetitpiggy · 24/01/2021 15:56

I regret so much that I told my sister about our mothers illness and death a few months later. She barged in after 7 years of silence and hatred towards my mother and tried to take over. Obviously she refused to talk or have anything to do with me, but insisted on bossing nurses and other staff around and in the end caused me huge amounts of stress, on top of the 7 years of stress I'd had looking after mum alone before that. She didnt come to the funeral either - but made sure her inheritance go to her.
It made a really hard time a million times more difficult.

2bazookas · 24/01/2021 16:04

You should inform them, but when you do it is up to you.

The least hassle way would be to have the funeral and dispose of her things before you contact them.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 24/01/2021 16:11

If they wanted to be informed they would at least have given you an address.

Really, there is no requirement on you to make this effort. You have done enough. Take care of the funeral in your own way and forget about them. If they ever surface again and make accusations just remind them that you had no way of contacting them.

Daisypaisy2 · 24/01/2021 16:19

I feel it’s your duty to try and reach out OP. Are your siblings not on social media? I would try at least.

I’m one of 4 children too and if your the youngest and you have a large age gap theres no way possible you had or can remember the same experience as your elder siblings.

Maybe your definition of abuse differs from others OP. It sounds odd and the fact your justifying your mother’s actions isn’t really good enough.

For your sister to say she’s going to celebrate her... she’s very unwell or probably is very annoyed with your mother.

Daisypaisy2 · 24/01/2021 16:21

@TaraRhu

Yes you should tell them. You chose to work at your relationship and reconcile. Your siblings made a different choice. Whilst you may not agree with it they are perfectly entitled to do what they want, it sounds like you all had a difficult childhood.

Be the bigger person and tell them. Why build more animosity?

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Mittens030869 · 24/01/2021 16:26

It sounds like it won’t be easy to contact them, so maybe just put a notice in your local paper or Facebook page announcing your DM’s death? Then I think you should leave it at that, as you have enough to cope with right now.

But I think you should consider looking into making contact with them when you’re in a better place to deal with the emotions that seeing them will inevitably bring to the surface. Please listen to what some posters are saying, that their childhood experiences may have been different to yours; you weren’t born for a lot of it. You yourself have said that your family life was ‘dysfunctional’ and you were estranged from your DM for a time. They might have been damaged in a way that you weren’t. It doesn’t justify the things they’ve done as adults, as we all have to take responsibility for our actions, but it might help explain how damaged their relationship with your DM was.

I’m really sorry for your loss. Flowers

Chicchicchicchiclana · 24/01/2021 16:34

I honestly don't understand why posters on this thread think op has a duty towards her siblings? They are NC. NC means NC, not just when it suits the siblings.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 24/01/2021 16:35

Again, why is it op's duty or responsibility to facilitate any sort of truth and reconciliation? I just don't get it.

JamieFrasersSassenach · 24/01/2021 16:49

Sorry for your loss @SunsetSenora Thanks

My opinion (garnered from being in a similar position to you) is that if someone goes NC then they must have very good reason for their decision and that they have chosen to sever a relationship. To me, that means that they have relinquished the right to know anything more about the person they have gone NC with.

That may seem harsh, but if they wouldn't want to know anything about your DM while she was alive then it stands to reason that they certainly won't want to know of her passing - and the best thing that you can do is to respect their wishes.

That's my take on it - and I am in a very similar situation to you OP. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

2021hastobebetter · 24/01/2021 16:54

It can take an hour to track them down on Facebook or social media eg I would set up a burner profile and join local groups etc and then send them a message.

BatleyTownswomensGuild · 24/01/2021 17:02

This sounds a horrid situation OP. Thanks

I think they have a right to know, but do you have to be the one to tell them? Do you have a partner who would be willing to phone them and break the news on your behalf. My DH had to reach out to family members for me after my DM died because I couldn't bring myself to do it.

BrumBoo · 24/01/2021 17:31

@Chicchicchicchiclana

I honestly don't understand why posters on this thread think op has a duty towards her siblings? They are NC. NC means NC, not just when it suits the siblings.
Because the sibling has a right to know their mother has died, they're not psychic and it's rather cruel to expect anyone to hear such news 'through the grapevine'. The op doesn't have to be the one to do it, they could get a lawyer or ask another family member to do it. Regardless of how the op feels about the fact her siblings were NC, doesn't change the fact that she's not the only one who's parent has died - a huge event in anyone's life regardless of circumstances.
Chicchicchicchiclana · 24/01/2021 17:43

Brumboo - why do these siblings expect op or anyone else to go running around after them after their parent who they chose not to have anything to do with has died? If they wanted to know then they should have given someone the means to contact them.

BrumBoo · 24/01/2021 17:51

@Chicchicchicchiclana

Brumboo - why do these siblings expect op or anyone else to go running around after them after their parent who they chose not to have anything to do with has died? If they wanted to know then they should have given someone the means to contact them.
Because it's not as simple as that, is it? We don't actually know the reason they went NC, if they say it's because of reasons relating to a bad childhood then who are we as strangers to argue that, or judge them? It's not 'running around them', it's one simple message to say 'your mother has died, on this day, of this cause. Funeral to be arranged, let X know if you would be planning to attend'.

You, and many here are underestimating the emotional impact of losing a parent when NC, because your perception is that 'NC means you stop caring and having emotions towards that person'. A very narrow way of looking at it, and could lead to further issues/lack of family relationship for the OP down the road if she choses not to inform her siblings as soon as possible.

tootysweety · 24/01/2021 18:55

Don’t go out of your way. Tell somebody who might know them to pass on the message. You’ve got enough on your plate right now