To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

Christ GCAcademic. That's appalling. Your poor mum. She'll be able to stay, surely?

That actually makes me feel sick. I really, really hope she isn't worrying herself to pieces over it.

Oh, she is completely blasé about the whole thing, ReallySpicyCurry. It’s me that’s worried sick. Particularly as she can’t even complete the paperwork now that COVID means that she can’t travel to London to renew the passport that she needs to start the process.

There is a whole group of elderly people (I personally know another two) who are going to be in this situation. Some of them are not even aware that they need to apply for settled status as they think they have already been through an immigration process (and they have!). Like a Brexit Windrush.

And why shouldn't the fishing industry face the consequences of their vote? Why should I be expected to pay to compensate them for their own shit decisions that have damaged all of us?

Govt is giving compensation of up to £100k to those whose fish product couldn't get to Europe.

Astounding really.

GCAcademic well I'm glad she's not getting herself into a pickle over it, and that she has you to help out.

I hope to goodness we're not going to see a situation where elderly people are forced away from family and friends and back to countries they haven't lived in for decades. That is just unutterably cruel.

Frankly? I think we are going to see a Brexit-Windrush and we will hear all the usual suspects saying "well, they should have applied for citizenship before" despite the fact that nobody needed to and, as in Windrush, nobody kept documentation on the offchance they'd need it 30/40/50 years later.

In Mays early days as PM, she had full support of the tory party, having been elected unopposed.
She was elected as a patsy.

@GCAcademic sympathies, we had to do similar with my parents last summer (both EU nationals, lived in UK since 60s). For my mum it was straightforward, for my dad (Alzheimers) not so much. It does all hinge around having a biometric passport though, not sure how you could proceed without one.

We vote in secret and therefore the 92% figure is likely to be nonsense anyway. But I would never wish misfortune on any person or sector of the economy, no matter how they chose to vote in our democracy. Nobody benefits from a struggling economy / sector and it is spiteful to want it.

Heard so fishing bloke on the radio this morning. Apparently each fishing business is getting 100k each to compensate for Brexit loses (not sure of the details about the money, might be 'up to' or something). The interviewer referred the fishing bloke to comments her made in 2016 about Brexit and ridding the fishing industry of the EU and how now he is free of the EU he's asking for tax payers money to survive. Fishing bloke just got angry, raising his voice saying he didn't want to talk about the past and calling the interviewer a poor journalist. Fishing bloke wouldn't admit Brexit was a bad decision and the reason for his problems now. Fucker. I don't think he deserves a single penny, look at the damage his vote has done in Ireland, he didn't give a single shit about that, why should I care about him? The mess he's in is entirely his own making, he was told, and told and told it would cause him problems, he's not a child, hes a fully grown adult and should be responsible for his own decisions. And besides, what's this 100k going to do? If his industry is now no longer viable it's just money down the drain to postpone the inevitable.

I agree they don’t deserve any government money, and it makes me angry that money that is desperately needed elsewhere right now is going to idiots who voted for their own demise.

I genuinely wouldn’t be sorry to see the whole disgusting fishing industry die a death never to be recovered from. Maybe then our seas would get a chance to be what they should be instead of being decimated by the greed of the fishing industry.

How come the EU is making a better of job of a Brexit they didn't vote for and didn't want than the UK which claimed it voted for it, and claimed it wanted it ????

Right now, the effort (if we can call it that) the UK has put into Brexit is about the same level of "effort" that a teenage boy puts into cleaning their bedroom. And both activities never quite eliminate that smell.

@Aprilx

We vote in secret and therefore the 92% figure is likely to be nonsense anyway. But I would never wish misfortune on any person or sector of the economy, no matter how they chose to vote in our democracy. Nobody benefits from a struggling economy / sector and it is spiteful to want it.

I wouldn't wish misfortune - but I have little sympathy for people who voted like a turkey for Christmas and then complains that they end up getting stuffed and roasted. Despite people telling them that that's what happens to turkeys at Christmas, showing them the recipes etc

Be careful what you wish for 🤷‍♀️

In fact if there was a petition asking that we DON'T give any money to the fishing industry I would gladly sign it. I might write to my mp about it and point out that Patrick Mitford (economics for Brexit) said some industries would fail because of Brexit and that this should be allowed to happen. How come the government have money for these people would only have themselves to blame for the situation they're in but had to be forced by a footballer to feed our poorest children?

I apologise for not having read the thread .
However, my own greedy take on the situation, based on skimming the headlines in papers - meaning, opinion based on zilch research and understanding of the situation due to sheer laziness on my part - is as follows: why can't the fish and seafood (langoustines.... yummm... heaven...) that can't be sold to Europe at the moment be sold at local supermarkets at bit more reasonable prices than usual. Seafood is ludicrously priced in UK and people need a treat!!! Gavel!
(I think I was a seal or similar in previous life as could live off fish et al )

I wouldn't wish misfortune - but I have little sympathy for people who voted like a turkey for Christmas and then complains that they end up getting stuffed and roasted. Despite people telling them that that's what happens to turkeys at Christmas, showing them the recipes etc

I agree. And I didn't wish misfortune on anyone, they wished it on themselves.

Bloody good point @Kendodd, I’d sign your petition.

I don’t understand why fishermen who voted for their own destruction are being given so much money when other people whose livelihoods have been destroyed by the governments lockdown choices are being told to join the universal credit queue.

Seafood is ludicrously priced in UK and people need a treat!!!
I wonder if the prices that get in the UK aren't viable? On the radio this morning they talked about fish going to landfill.

Maybe from an ecological point of view the collapse of the UK fishing industry will be a good thing and ultimately, ironically, at least one Brexit benefit (for fish).

I suppose Rees Mogg was right for the first time in his life.
The fish are going to be happy. And safe.

Xpost, Kendodd 🙂

@Kendodd

Maybe from an ecological point of view the collapse of the UK fishing industry will be a good thing and ultimately, ironically, at least one Brexit benefit (for fish).

Yup. If they cannot afford to sell to Brits having voted and campaigned for both Brexit and the Tories leave the fish in the sea

It will cost the taxpayer less to let their industry fail
than it did to let the mines fail
or steel to fail
or British car making to fail

@praepondero

I apologise for not having read the thread . However, my own greedy take on the situation, based on skimming the headlines in papers - meaning, opinion based on zilch research and understanding of the situation due to sheer laziness on my part - is as follows: why can't the fish and seafood (langoustines.... yummm... heaven...) that can't be sold to Europe at the moment be sold at local supermarkets at bit more reasonable prices than usual. Seafood is ludicrously priced in UK and people need a treat!!! Gavel! (I think I was a seal or similar in previous life as could live off fish et al )

Where did you get your economics degree ? Shouldn't you be back in the Cabinet Office sorting this out, not wasting time on MN ?

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@DGRossetti
Dearie, can you read?
Thought not.
To summarise my post you so kindly have decided to deride, I have not done any research into the situation, hence my suggestion was purely based on my own greedy desire to be able to buy more seafood/fish at better prices here in the UK and was not presented as an economic solution, however, given that the catch is going to the landfill, why couldn't it be sold to locals instead. Waste not and all that.... .
Not so difficult or grasp, is it?

@praepondero there has been a quite interesting BBC programme on Cornish fisherman where some are doing just that in response to covid crisis.

They were small boats and found that with no middleman they were making money selling direct via Facebook and the like.