To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

There is a terrifying dearth of critical thinking going on. On both sides actually because Remainers were ignoring the actual reasons people voted Leave and had they been more curious and less critical, there might have been a meeting of the minds somewhere

I always hoped we'd seek an EFTA style deal, many leave voters i knew back in 2016 were happy with this too.

Why T.May said no to that must be because she put party before country?

If someone is worried about immigration for example, it might just be that they are worried about jobs, housing, healthcare and schools rather than a racist. But the racists speak to them and the liberals shout RACIST XENOPHOBE. Hardly the start of a constructive debate. This is the worst bit for me. Immigration affected me not a jot and I suspect a lot of the most devoted Remainers were the same. I had a lovely Hungarian au pair and Romanian cleaners.

@DGRossetti

Someone mentioned retraining.

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-construction-house-building-brexit-covid19-exodus-skilled-workers-112326980.html

Numbers of European Union-born professionals working in the UK’s skilled construction and building trade dropped off by 46% in 2019.

That’s according to new research released by the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford. In 2018, ONS data listed 208,000 EU-born construction professionals. This petered off to a total of 113,000 the following year.

Construction industry experts now warn that the exodus of skilled EU workers is the result of Brexit, as well as COVID-19, and requires immediate government attention to avoid staff shortages.

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so get back to Gove and the gang and I am sure they'll see you alright (Jack).

The reason they will be alright is that there is a huge number of both MPs especially Tories, who will benefit from the rising house prices. It’s a simple rule of supply and demand.

*I always hoped we'd seek an EFTA style deal, many leave voters i knew back in 2016 were happy with this too.

Why T.May said no to that must be because she put party before country?*

I agree, sadly. I can't think of another reason for her to have said no to that option.

Sorry, that was a bold fail.

And I actually hope the government DON'T compensate the fishing or farming industries. Why shouldn't they feel the consequences of their own stupid shit decisions, they were told and told and told, all dismissed and they've been insisting for nearly five years that they knew what they voted for. I voted remain, they have damaged mine and my children's future, why should I now have to pay to sure up theirs.

Why are farmers getting a bashing? The best stats I've found (Farmers Weekly surveys from 2016) show the agriculture industry voted about 50/50, exactly the same as the rest of the population. Just because morally superior remainers knew they were being lied to, doesn't mean that farmers deserve everything that's coming to them. What about those who voted to remain, or don't they deserve your sympathy?

What about those who voted to remain, or don't they deserve your sympathy?

I have the upmost sympathy for ALL remain voters. I live in the countryside, every farmer I know (apart from one) vocally voted Leave. Plenty of them also had massive Vote Leave or Vote Tory signs on their land. I didn't see a single Vote Remain sign on a farmers land.

We need these pointless 0.1% of GDP industries to die off like blacksmithy or stone wall building did and instead all get behind things like pharmaceuticals and cybercrime where we can excel.

@Mittens030869

*I always hoped we'd seek an EFTA style deal, many leave voters i knew back in 2016 were happy with this too.

Why T.May said no to that must be because she put party before country?*

I agree, sadly. I can't think of another reason for her to have said no to that option.

If she hadn't said no the ERG (Tory Militant as I think of them) would have had her out sharpish. It wasn't politically possible for a Tory government to implement a "soft" or "Norway style" Brexit, and the Labour Party was doing it's best to explain that it didn't know whether it wanted Brexit or not.

I know that. I'm sorry that I wasn't clear about that. The ERG wing were to blame not TM, who after all voted Remain in the referendum. It's the wing of the party that's destroyed the careers of previous Prime Ministers. John Major particularly springs to mind, remember the tirade against 'the bastards'.

In Mays early days as PM, she had full support of the tory party, having been elected unopposed.

She still said no to SM and CU, she might have voted remain but she was certainly not prominent in the remain campaign, so who really knows if she was a remainer? after Hancock was and he is now a hardcore brexitier.

She became weak and at the hands of the ERG once she lost the Cons majority.

@BubblyBarbara

We need these pointless 0.1% of GDP industries to die off like blacksmithy or stone wall building did and instead all get behind things like pharmaceuticals and cybercrime where we can excel.

Oh FFS

@Kendodd

What about those who voted to remain, or don't they deserve your sympathy?

I have the upmost sympathy for ALL remain voters. I live in the countryside, every farmer I know (apart from one) vocally voted Leave. Plenty of them also had massive Vote Leave or Vote Tory signs on their land. I didn't see a single Vote Remain sign on a farmers land.

@Kendodd But the statistics show they didn't ALL vote for brexit, and it would appear actually it was about 50/50. Given that farming is heavily skewed towards the older generation, it likely means that older people voted for it in lower rates than in the general population. There is a concept that all farmers voted for Brexit, which is bullshit, quite frankly. Some did, obviously, and some vocally supported it. But that's true of every occupation. So why the vitriol?

If she hadn't said no the ERG (Tory Militant as I think of them) would have had her out sharpish. It wasn't politically possible for a Tory government to implement a "soft" or "Norway style" Brexit, and the Labour Party was doing it's best to explain that it didn't know whether it wanted Brexit or not.

Succinct and spot on.

@Ladyflip

Why are farmers getting a bashing? The best stats I've found (Farmers Weekly surveys from 2016) show the agriculture industry voted about 50/50, exactly the same as the rest of the population. Just because morally superior remainers knew they were being lied to, doesn't mean that farmers deserve everything that's coming to them. What about those who voted to remain, or don't they deserve your sympathy?

But how many then voted Tory in 2017 and then in 2019 when it was clear that they would NOT get the carve out they hoped ?

@Ladyflip

Why are farmers getting a bashing? The best stats I've found (Farmers Weekly surveys from 2016) show the agriculture industry voted about 50/50, exactly the same as the rest of the population. Just because morally superior remainers knew they were being lied to, doesn't mean that farmers deserve everything that's coming to them. What about those who voted to remain, or don't they deserve your sympathy?

Quite.

Yep

No, you're right, I shouldn't be so hard on farmers if 50% voted remain.

Irrespective of what people voted, isn't it in ALL of our best interests for any British industry to do well? Why be so spiteful?

Just had a little Google myself. Everything I saw said a much higher percentage of farmers voted Leave. This would tie in the what I see and hear locally.

Irrespective of what people voted, isn't it in ALL of our best interests for any British industry to do well?
And why shouldn't the fishing industry face the consequences of their vote? Why should I be expected to pay to compensate them for their own shit decisions that have damaged all of us? They voted to hurt all of us. I'll save my sympathy for people suffering the consequences of Brexit through no fault of their own.

Ken it's called shooting yourself in the foot, or cutting your nose off to spite your face. Also it's not good for people's mental health to get so irate. I don't care what industry voted what, we have to get behind them to do we for us all.

I don't care what industry voted what, we have to get behind them

They didnt seem to be in a rush to support those that said their industry would be in trouble if we did leave the EU so fuck em I wont be in a rush to support them, their greed blinded them so meh

@Girlyracer

Ken it's called shooting yourself in the foot, or cutting your nose off to spite your face. Also it's not good for people's mental health to get so irate. I don't care what industry voted what, we have to get behind them to do we for us all.

The thing is we don’t need fishermen to do well for us all. They contribute a tiny amount to the economy.

I am too busy, in any case, getting behind my 80 year old mother to help her with paperwork so that she can hopefully stay in this country, having lived here for fifty years and already completed an immigration process well before the EU existed. No Brexit voters gave a second thought to removing the rights of people like her. In fact some have actually told me that it’s her own fault for not becoming a U.K. citizen and she should fuck off “home”.