To think DH is being ridiculous to not eat this?

[Shushpuppy]

Mushroom pie with instructions on packet to cook from chilled and to defrost in the refrigerator. I'm running out of time so defrosted on counter. He found packet and is now moaning and refusing to eat it because it might give him food poisoning. AIBU to think he is being absurd?

What part of a mushroom pie would give you food poisoning?

Any perishable part can. So the mushrooms, any cream, but especially any eggs in it. Read the post upthread where I put a microbiologists explanation of bacteria and the freezing and then thawing process.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Myndefrost settings on microwave basically cook that meat. Godforsaken thing

Mine too. I tried defrosting mince in it once, and once only.

The edges were all brown and cooked and the middle still frozen. And when I did get to cook it, it cooked into lumps.

Sometimes I also defrost in a bowl of water. That is also fairly quick.

UGH my DP does this and it drives me mental. Obsessed with germs when he wants to be but funnily not when it comes to keeping anything in the house actually clean

I am not fan of water defrosting tbh outside of seafood. But it is one of the allowed ways for many items.

@bobbojobbo

So what qualification do you have which shows you understand the science of microbiology better than a Dr of microbiology regarding the dangers of defrosting at room temperature?

Oh dear. Where did I say I did? I told you that the Dr of microbiology is writing guidelines for the lowest common denominator, thats how guidelines work. For the people who don't know anything much at all. They don't write guidelines that encourage you to use your own sense, because of those that don't have any.

Some people, like you, need to be told exactly what to do and can't understand anything outside of that. That is who the guidelines are written for. That Dr of microbiology knows full well that most people can safely adapt the guidelines. I expect they do not defrost everything in the fridge either.

This is so odd to me. That you are arguing that you know better than microbiologists and multiple government safety departments, because you have “common sense” and anyone who follows government guidelines is “the lowest common denominator” , “don’t know much of anything at all” and “don’t have any [sense]”

Tell me, do you have the same view on epidemiologists and the government rules on Covid? That say, mask wearing is just a guideline written to the lowest common denominator and only for those who don’t know much of anything at all, etc etc?

OP & her husband have already eaten the pie. Where it was defrosted is now an entirely moot point.

This is so odd to me. That you are arguing that you know better

Again, NO. Please read again and try to understand. Posts are very clearly written.

@PlanDeRaccordement maybe give it up, you aren't winning any converts and you're not making any friends either. Pick your battles (and get on with the day job, assuming you have one).

@Shushpuppy, are you ok? Bit worried that you might have food poisoning.

I don't understand why ok that's fine don't eat it. He is a grown man let him cook his own tea. Women moan constantly about men being babies but so many treat them like that. If my husband said I'm not eating that I'd say ok. Make ur own tea.

@maybemu - this was yesterday. The pie has already been eaten.

[quote WrinklesShminkles]@PlanDeRaccordement maybe give it up, you aren't winning any converts and you're not making any friends either. Pick your battles (and get on with the day job, assuming you have one).[/quote]
Not much going on today work wise as my primary customers are in US and it’s a holiday there today. I’m a little bit bored and after this thread I think I may invest some money in Immodium stocks.

You could probably eat that without cooking it and still be fine - it's not like it's shellfish.
Tell him to make his own lunch

[quote iklboo]@maybemu - this was yesterday. The pie has already been eaten. [/quote]
Yea not really the point but ok ....

It IS the point because people keep putting 'tell him to make his own lunch' 'you have it and he can get something else'.

Best bit of this thread is that it’s confirmed the use of the term “on the side” is completely normal, as my DH always thinks I am talking a foreign language when I use that term.

The thing that’s always confused me is that it instructions are normally to “defrost in the fridge and eat within 24 hours”. Given it normally takes way more than 24 hours for anything to throughly defrost in my fridge, the thawed outside will end up sat for maybe 48 or 72 hours at fridge temp until the inside has finally thawed.

@PlanDeRaccordement, acknowledging that defrosting on the worktop goes against advice, and taking your word for it that it's more common in Britain than (which?) other countries, is there any evidence that Britain has a higher rate of food poisoning that anywhere else?

I always defrost things on the side or on the kitchen radiator and I've never had food poisoning in my life. Surely it would take days to defrost in the fridge?

[quote ChristmasJumpers]@kirstenblest does it sound like they cook their pies from scratch? What a ridiculous question...[/quote]
I assumed she was joking, or she'd look like a massive twat!

You can cook pies from frozen, just cook them for longer and check they're piping hot throughout.

Don't you cook your pies from scratch?
Op might do but she's talking about this pie.

I assumed she was joking, or she'd look like a massive twat!

Given the general content of this thread, the latter is a potential!

If it was just the mushroom part then absolutely but if it's something he usually eats and it's perfectly safe then he is being unreasonable!

@PlanDeRaccordement

No, sorry he is right. It is basic food hygiene to never defrost anything on the counter. He is especially right if it is a chicken and mushroom pie and most mushroom pies have chicken on them.

I know many British think it’s alright to defrost on the counter, it’s culturally engrained with a dose of “never did me any harm” , but no. Basic food hygiene to never defrost on counter.

You really are the gift that keeps giving...

[quote SecondRow]@PlanDeRaccordement, acknowledging that defrosting on the worktop goes against advice, and taking your word for it that it's more common in Britain than (which?) other countries, is there any evidence that Britain has a higher rate of food poisoning that anywhere else?[/quote]
This is a good question, but the answer is, nobody knows

“A report published by the FSA has found it is not possible to compare foodborne disease rates effectively between countries. This is due to the hugely different methodologies and recording systems employed.”

Full report at:

www.food.gov.uk/news-alerts/news/report-into-international-foodborne-disease-rates-published