To think DH is being ridiculous to not eat this?

[Shushpuppy]

Mushroom pie with instructions on packet to cook from chilled and to defrost in the refrigerator. I'm running out of time so defrosted on counter. He found packet and is now moaning and refusing to eat it because it might give him food poisoning. AIBU to think he is being absurd?

It’s very hard to “remove yourself from the gene pool” from food poisoning- healthy under-40’s really don’t die from food poisoning unless they REALLY try hard.

Tell him he is not being a fun guy? 🍄

I'm another one with a nuclear winter type fridge. I definitely defrost everything in the side. However, I then assume that anything going into the oven/being cooked on the hob is potentially hooching with bacteria regardless of provenance, so, y'know, I cook things thoroughly.

The only exception I can think of is rare steak, but I wouldn't be freezing steak in the first place - it's an occasional treat here, so would be going directly from the butcher's to the pan.

Years ago my ndn was a butcher. His dw was always thawing stuff out last minute in a bowl of tepid water. Why she didn’t just ask him to bring some meat home i don’t know.

The only fridge which defrosted stuff was in one rental I was in. Not cheap as well. It also managed to basically make milk into yogurt🙄 Godforsaken thing.
My fridge is now on 4 degrees and I VERY rarely have something go off. Having appropriately cold fridge saves a lot on food wastage

Why would you defrost a pie? Pies bake really well from frozen, better than defrosted even. Something about filling staying cool while the crust puffs up, which means no soggy bottom.

Next time just bung in the oven from frozen and leave for 15-25 minutes longer than instructions say. If the top starts to brown, cover it with foil.

—Completely misses point of thread—

Of course you are being unreasonable. How could you expect him to eat it? The very idea of “mushroom pie” (is it even a thing?) makes me feel unwell.

@KirstenBlest

Don't you cook your pies from scratch?

Virtue signalling at it's absolute finest!!!

[quote WaltzingBetty]@Shushpuppy your pie will be fine - does he not understand that cooking kills any bugs anyway so 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
Is this actually serious?!? You cannot genuinely believe this, surely?!?!

Wow.

@Terminallysleepdeprived

See up until last summer I would have said your dh was being a twit, however having had campylobactor food poisoning and being very ill for 5 weeks I am now of the opinion he is right where meat etc is concerned...mushrooms however...I would assume fairly safe

I've had this. I'd still defrost on the side..people shouldn't be putting half defrosted stuff back into the fridge though. Out on the side until pretty much defrosted/cool then cook it. Not in and out of the fridge.

@Yellownotblue

Why would you defrost a pie? Pies bake really well from frozen, better than defrosted even. Something about filling staying cool while the crust puffs up, which means no soggy bottom.

Next time just bung in the oven from frozen and leave for 15-25 minutes longer than instructions say. If the top starts to brown, cover it with foil.

—Completely misses point of thread—

Mushroom/cream sauce can break and seperate different melting points etc you could end up with it separating inside.

Ewwww shop made frozen Mushroom Pie - sounds revolting. Maybe he thinks so too.

@CostaDelCovid obviously not reading the whole thread and seeing that @KirstenBlest was joking 🙄.

Rod up own arse at its best.

Shocking how many can't judge the tone of a post and then need to comment.

Sounds yuck

Sorry, but it is not safe to defrost food on a counter at room temperature. I know you’ve been socialised to think it is safe, but that is peculiar to the British

Eh? I am not in the UK, actually in a hot country and I defrost things on the counter top. I go even further (sit down now while you read this..) sometimes I even put it outside on the windowsill.... I used to put it on the trampoline, but having a Labrador I don't think I need to explain why I don't do that anymore.

But in the case of a pie, I'd just chuck that in the oven frozen.

As someone who needs a map to find my kitchen, and who has only ever eaten a Linda McCartney pie cooked by somebody else - can I ask why you wouldn't use the Defrost setting on the microwave to defrost a mushroom pie?

@GADDay

Ewwww shop made frozen Mushroom Pie - sounds revolting. Maybe he thinks so too.

This shop bought mushroom pie was gorgeous:

www.ocado.com/products/m-s-plant-kitchen-mushroom-pie-520698011

But then it’s not ‘just a shop bought mushroom pie’ it is an M&S bought mushroom pie...,

I guess you could call it enjoyment. I’m just shaking my head and thinking, eh well it’s Darwin’s natural selection at work. All these people playing food poisoning roulette with their dodgy kitchen habits will just remove themselves from the gene pool eventually

This from someone who doesn't know what food is and whose fridge is so warm you can easily defrost in it. And who thinks everyone is British!
I don't think its our genes you need to worry about disapperearing.....

@Saz12

It’s very hard to “remove yourself from the gene pool” from food poisoning- healthy under-40’s really don’t die from food poisoning unless they REALLY try hard.

Agreed, but such a bad habit continued into retirement could well mean an earlier death at say 72 instead of 92.

@bobbojobbo

I guess you could call it enjoyment. I’m just shaking my head and thinking, eh well it’s Darwin’s natural selection at work. All these people playing food poisoning roulette with their dodgy kitchen habits will just remove themselves from the gene pool eventually

This from someone who doesn't know what food is and whose fridge is so warm you can easily defrost in it. And who thinks everyone is British!
I don't think its our genes you need to worry about disapperearing.....

My fridge is not warm. It is at 3C. Because it isn’t at 0C, yes you can easily defrost items in it. I just plan ahead when it comes to defrosting. I don’t think everyone is British, but this is a UK site so the majority of posters are British and as this was a habit I observed all British people I knew having when I lived in U.K., I stand by my assertion that it is a widespread practice amongst the British.

I almost always defrost on the counter, no one has died yet

Honestly, please for your safety and that of your children do not defrost things on a counter or bench or windowsill at room temperature. It is not safe.
www.foodsafety.com.au/blog/four-methods-for-defrosting-food-safely
Defrosting food at room temperature can cause bacteria growth and may lead to food poisoning.
There are four ways in which to defrost food safely - in the refrigerator, in the microwave, as part of the cooking process or under cold running water.
Defrosting must never be done at room temperature. This means no defrosting of food on kitchen workbenches or other surfaces.

www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/safe-food-handling/the-big-thaw-safe-defrosting-methods-for-consumers/bigthaw2

As soon as raw or cooked meat, poultry or egg products begin to thaw and become warmer than 40 °F, bacteria that may have been present before freezing can begin to multiply. Perishable foods should never be thawed on the counter or in hot water and must not be left at room temperature for more than two hours. There are safe ways to thaw food: in the refrigerator, in cold water, and in the microwave.
Remember: Even though the center of the package may still be frozen as it thaws on the counter, the outer layer of the food could be in the "Danger Zone," between 40 and 140 °F — temperatures where bacteria multiply rapidly.

Agreed, but such a bad habit continued into retirement could well mean an earlier death at say 72 instead of 92.

DH is 66. I'd better tell him he might not be around for much longer if he carries on like this. I've no idea how MIL made it to 100 when she used to defrost the chicken and then air it on the side!

www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/safe-food-handling
Never thaw food at room temperature, such as on the counter top. There are three safe ways to defrost food: in the refrigerator, in cold water, and in the microwave. Food thawed in cold water or in the microwave should be cooked immediately.

As a rule of thumb/best 'practice' type approach, all food should be defrosted in the fridge, although especially meat, which I know isn't relevant here.

Saying "I've never get ill"/ "no-one's died" isn't really relevant; you increase the risk by defrosting in room temperature, not guaranteeing you'll get ill, so good for you if you haven't, but that's not proof of anything.

Anyway, unless you're cooking for paying customers it's your choice what you do - I've, through various jobs, completed numerous food hygiene training, but absolutely don't follow it for myself.

However, and getting to the point of this thread, your DH isn't being ridiculous because he doesn't want to eat it. You may feel he's being a little irrational, but good grief, everyone has things they'll appear irrational to others about, and if we all got ridiculed, called absurd or demeaned for them it wouldn't be a particularly pleasant world. So, you're BU