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I can't buy you formula but il help you breastfeed ?

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zuptop · 14/01/2021 13:55

I have just seen this on one of the local Facebook groups . Can't help but feel this is adding pressure onto women who already have made decision to formula feed.

Something just doesn't sit right for me...
Although I am sure they believe they are being kind

"As well as donating items to a local food bank, I’d like to help parents who are struggling to afford infant formula. I can’t buy any for you but I can support you to maximise your breast milk production and therefore decrease how much formula you need to buy.
I’m a trained breastfeeding peer supporter and I’m part way through my breastfeeding counsellor studies"

So YABU- lady in question is just trying to help mums build milk supply or
YANBU- post is a little judge of formula and putting pressure on mums to breastfeed when they might not want to/ be able to.

OP posts:
Caneloalvarez · 20/01/2021 10:40

@Draineddraineddrained I still think the FB post didn't need to mention formula at all, I think we will have to agree to disagree on that, respectfully :) When I saw the OP I didn't feel the need to comment, until another poster said people getting hurt over it are melodramatic and pathetic etc etc.

I'm sure the FB poster had good intentions and I accept what you're saying in that any support is better than no support! My worry is that if someone was struggling mentally and physically with bf and also struggling to afford formula, it could leave them feeling even worse. When I was struggling, I felt that the breastfeeding advocates were the loudest, especially online, it actually felt like I was in the minority for wanting to switch to formula!! When this list of benefits is pushed and pushed, it feels like some sort of level of perfection that some will never reach and makes you feel like a failure and that you've failed your baby. And with some studies showing only marginal benefits I'm just not sure it's right to put this kind of pressure on women? Maybe it's not meant as pressure but it feels that way to some.

I really appreciate the breastfeeding advocates that offer balanced and helpful comments and that dont demonise formula. But breastfeeding grief shouldn't even be a thing! Nobody should have to feel grief or like a failure if it didn't work out. I don't think "fed is best" is a terrible phrase at all.

I don't think promoting breastfeeding can be compared to anything else such as promoting mental health, there are so many issues that could be discussed endlessly. I'm sure my own opinions will change over time too with these debates :)

Draineddraineddrained · 20/01/2021 11:58

@Caneloalvarez

I was with you all the way until you said this:

I really appreciate the breastfeeding advocates that offer balanced and helpful comments and that dont demonise formula. But breastfeeding grief shouldn't even be a thing! Nobody should have to feel grief or like a failure if it didn't work out.

Breastfeeding grief is absolutely a thing, it shouldn't 'be a thing' in the sense that women should be enabled wherever possible to breastfeed when they want to, but you seem to be implying it 'shouldn't be a thing' because women would naturally not be upset at not being able to, and it's only the perceived 'pressure' to breastfeed that means anyone is upset by having to use formula instead.

This is simply, absolutely, utterly untrue. For some women (lots of women!) it is a basic biological drive to want to feed your child from your body. It is an instinct. It forms part of the delicate balance of post-partum hormones because it is what the body expects to do. Not to be able to can make women upset/grieve for all manner of reasons, even if literally everyone in their life (midwife, partner, family, friends) are telling them to pack it in, it doesn't matter, fed is best. ESPECIALLY then.

I really struggled to breastfeed, it took me weeks to get to a place where it didn't hurt and months before it was easy. At which point of course everyone started pressuring me to stop because 'baby doesn't need it' Hmm.

All anyone told me (midwife, HV, GP, partner, mother, sister) when I asked for help or support was that if it was difficult, I should stop, use formula, it doesn't matter. Astonishingly, all this 'support' to use formula didn't make me feel better at all - I wanted to breastfeed, not be 'excused' from breastfeeding! I felt totally unheard until I found proper volunteer breastfeeding support groups and became friends with other breastfeeding mums.

So if I had stopped, the breastfeeding grief I would undoubtedly have felt would have had nothing to do with 'pressure' to breastfeed - I desperately wanted to do it, for her and for me, not because i thought I'd look bad or be judged if I didn't. I appreciate it may not be that way for you, or every woman - but to discount my experience and put the natural instinct many women have to breastfeed down to external pressure is incredibly dismissive.

Also this:

When I was struggling, I felt that the breastfeeding advocates were the loudest, especially online, it actually felt like I was in the minority for wanting to switch to formula!!

You may well have felt like that, and I'm sorry you felt like that. But the fact of the matter is, the vast vast majority formula feed. You don't need 'advocates' for formula feeding because it is the norm. They are not 'loud' because they don't have to be - the messages in support of formula are at the societal level, where one of the universal symbols for 'baby' is 'bottle', where you almost never see a breastfed baby on TV, in children's books, where formula companies advertise their products on television (and more and more co-opt breastfeeding to do so by claiming their bottle is 'just like the breast' or that their formula is 'based on decades of research into breastmilk', and undermine extended breastfeeding by advertising their 6months+ stuff as being for 'when it's time to move on' as if there is an agreed cut off point for breastfeeding). It's where my little girl is considered funny at nursery for pretending to feed the dollies from her chest instead of using the bottles (and packets of formula) provided for the children's [pretend play. Where breastfeeding women have had to fight to have their right to breastfeed in public protected by law because of the rampant discrimination they faced before it was, and this legal right is still frequently abrogated and questioned and debated.

That is the reality; however breastfeeding advocacy online makes you feel, you always have the option to avoid it. Breastfeeding women are the minority, and live in a world where their minority status makes their life difficult in many ways - absolutely top of the list being that due to so few women breastfeeding for any length of time, the HCPs who are supposed to help them often no virtually nothing about normal breastfeeding behaviour. Advocacy is needed because to establish and maintain breastfeeding women need support that is by and large completely lacking in the mainstream because it is such a minority practice. The push nowadays to silence that advocacy and support and paint it as 'bullying' and 'judgment', because it causes the overwhelming majority some discomfort really, really troubles me.

Caneloalvarez · 20/01/2021 15:22

I more meant that I wish no one had to experience grief if breastfeeding hasn't worked out for one reason or another. I appreciate that maybe hormones play a part in the feeling of grief, it must be horrible if someone wants to do it more than anything but for some reason they can't. But you cannot have it both ways. You want everyone to be able to advocate freely, that's fine and overall it's a good thing. But you don't want anyone to say "fed is best", or "it makes no difference". Some women NEED to hear those things, for example if their mental health is hanging by a thread and they are extremely sleep deprived, or for many and various other reasons.

Yes the vast majority may formula feed but in my experience, no one discussed formula leading up to the birth, nobody at hospital recommended formula after I had my baby (because they're not allowed to?) even though it took a full 5 days for my milk to come in, formula isn't allowed in food banks... Add to that the fact that advocacy sometimes seems to be the loudest voice in the room (even if you personally think it isn't)... I can see why many formula feeding women feel a level of shame and failure, even if they know it's the right choice for them. Maybe I'm more wishing the sense of failure and shame did not exist, rather than grief.

We both obviously carry scars from our experience and perhaps see the world skewed in a certain light either being biased towards FF or BF. I hope to combi feed from the start next time, I think it will work for me. But there was virtually no information about this given as no one is allowed to mention formula and it's all negative "top up trap" etc. Advocates of BF need to have a balanced view.

Draineddraineddrained · 20/01/2021 16:42

I really don't think you are as aware of what breastfeeding advocacy is like as you think you are. All the groups I am in (from when I was struggling, and subsequently as an ABM peer supporter) are incredibly supportive, offer good advice on combi-feeding, pumping, alternative methods of feeding - bottles, SNS, finger and cup feeding, how to properly use nipple shields, and weaning baby OFF the breast, be that at a few weeks or a 5 year old.... No-one was ever shamed or judged, and the prevailing view was that any amount of breastmilk you could get into your baby for as long as you wanted to was valuable - the absolute main principle was helping women achieve their own breastfeeding goals, whatever those were.

The fact there are some mouthy ranters on Facebook is not representative of the cohort of women who devote their own time to developing expertise and supporting mothers both to safely feed, adapt and stop feeding, according to their informed needs and wishes.

As you say, our experiences and our bubbles will be informing our views. But there is absolutely no denying that breastfeeders are the minority, not formula feeders. That's just a fact. I can't think of any other situation where a stigmatized and tiny minority are accused of having the power to negatively impact the well-being of the overwhelming majority simply by existing and talking about their experiences/offering support to others who want to do what they've done. That just makes no sense.

Draineddraineddrained · 20/01/2021 16:45

But absoslutely agree there should be no shame and no sense of failure. Any more than there should be a sense of shame or failure for, e.g. having a C-section when you'd planned a natural birth (or indeed by choice!) If we could all stop judging each other in general it would be a better world!

RoSEbuds6 · 20/01/2021 17:17

I posted at the beginning of the thread, but don't think I actually made my point! (it was more an outpouring of grief!) I think the post itself is rather clumsy in its wording, and if it had just said 'breast feeding counsellor available - if you are having trouble with establishing breastfeeding, or keeping a good supply going I would be happy to help you'. I would have leapt at the chance to contact them, especially if they would have come round to sit with me to actually help me.
The fact that the post is so tied up with money-saving seems to spoil the message.

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