On our way to Biden's Inauguration (Trump #119)

[Roussette]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128420-Capitol-Hill-and-the-next-2-weeks-Trump-118?watched=1&msgid=103459695#103459695

Here we are on our fast moving theads

And as far as that retired Lt Col:

www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/02/25/military-retirees-can-still-be-court-martialed-supreme-court-affirms/

I hope to God he gets prosecuted by a military tribunal.

[quote ListeningQuietly]This article was shared by a contact in the USA
its is scarily relevant
www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-12-15/when-far-right-penetrates-law-enforcement[/quote]
Not a new thing ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Burning

and

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner

Remember the 3 lads were killed trying to get blacks to register to vote.

Lt Col Brock found the cable ties on the floor and was looking for police so he could hand them in

www.newsweek.com/larry-rendall-brock-jr-senate-rioter-tactical-gear-regrets-zip-ties-1560216

In both cases, von Braun followed the money and developed the technology he could to defeat an enemy, Allied soldiers in Europe and the Soviet Union in space. In neither case did he undertake his work for strong ideological reasons. He had no apparent moral quandary or crisis of conscience aligning himself with the Nazi party in the 1930s, nor did he labour over the decision to turn his back on his homeland and immigrate to America in 1945.

^ This paragraph is the issue we should be most aware of. It wasn't about good or evil. Its about profit.

Lots of excuses here from those who have already been identified

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9127013/Senate-balcony-swinging-MAGA-mob-rioter-begs-forgiveness.html

As a country which is bombarded with stories of it's special relationship with the US - especially in military cooperation - I hope the UK government is undertaking a serious review of all contacts between US personnel and UK personnel now.

Bore
Why was he there at all.
As a military man he knew it was a federal crime.
The comments on that article are good

@Roussette

That's interesting Across. I have read in more than one place that to Ivanka, social status is absolutely everything. I think she might well be disappointed. I can't imagine New York society will be welcoming her back. Poor thing...

I think she knows her ship has sailed. It's why Javanka is buying/has bought a property in an extremely private and 'chi chi' enclave in Palm Beach.

But even there the 'creme de la creme' of 'old' Palm Beach society wants nothing to do with them. It will be the 'nouveau riche', the pinchbeck, and the parvenus for them from now on.

Pretty fitting, since that's what the Trumps really are, even though they think they're of the same ilk as 'Mrs Astor's 400'.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/for-jared-and-ivanka-post-white-house-future-is-an-island-alone

www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/ivanka-trump-dow-greenhouse-gasses-tweets

Lt Col Brock found the cable ties on the floor and was looking for police so he could hand them in

The lengths these people will go to! Do they think everyone else is stupid?!

On Cruz....
Houston Chronicle to Ted Cruz:

“those terrorists wouldn’t have been at the Capitol if you hadn’t staged this absurd challenge

“We’re done w/drama, opportunism, cynical scheming that has now cost American lives

“Resign and deliver TX from the shame of calling you our senator”

[quote BoreOfWhabylon]Lt Col Brock found the cable ties on the floor and was looking for police so he could hand them in

www.newsweek.com/larry-rendall-brock-jr-senate-rioter-tactical-gear-regrets-zip-ties-1560216[/quote]
Suuuurrreee! Just like the criminals who get caught with stolen cars who insist that it belongs to 'a friend' who said they could 'borrow it' and they had 'no idea it was stolen'.

For anyone who believes that faradiddle, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Or more appropriately, some swampland in Florida.

edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/online-extremism-inauguration-capitol-invs/index.html

'(CNN)"Trump or war. Today. That simple."

"If you don't know how to shoot: You need to learn. NOW."
"we will storm the government buildings, kill cops, kill security guards, kill federal employees and agents, and demand a recount."
In the weeks, days and hours ahead of Wednesday's siege on the Capitol by President Donald Trump's zealous supporters, the warning signs were clear: online posts from hate groups and right-wing provocateurs agitating for civil war, the deaths of top lawmakers and attacks on law enforcement.'

I hope all those rioters are shitting themselves that the FBI is going to show up at their doors. I bet many have deleted their posts and possibly FB accounts, but those actions may actually trigger a warning for surveillance.

@Lweji

I hope all those rioters are shitting themselves that the FBI is going to show up at their doors. I bet many have deleted their posts and possibly FB accounts, but those actions may actually trigger a warning for surveillance.

GCHQ is listening.

I hope Brock s court martialled, jailed and loses his military pension.

On the subject of Ivanka, the Kushners are as amoral and corrupt as the Trumps. Kushner senior, for instance:
The witness-tampering charge arose from Kushner's act of retaliation against William Schulder, his sister Esther's husband, who was cooperating with federal investigators against Kushner. Kushner hired a prostitute he knew to seduce his brother-in-law, arranged to record a sexual encounter between the two, and had the tape sent to his sister. He was sentenced to two years in prison. He served 14 months at Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery in Alabama. before being sent to a halfway house in Newark, New Jersey, to complete his sentence. He was released from prison on August 25, 2006.
Kushner received a federal pardon on December 23, 2020, by President Donald Trump, citing his "record of reform and charity."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kushner

That's an excellent article, ListeningQuietly.

Just repeating the link:

When the Far Right Penetrates Law Enforcement
America Can Learn From Germany’s Response
www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-12-15/when-far-right-penetrates-law-enforcement

Thank you for the new thread, @Roussette. Who'd'a'thought, all those years ago, we'd soon be at #120..

I've just seen this, which I like.

Back to the last thread, @ BlueCatRedCat, I completely agree with you when you write: "The media were culpable before he was elected. In the primaries and run up to the 2016 election, he had massive media coverage, far more than any other candidate. He was comedy gold back then, good for ratings, much more interesting than the other boring candidates, nobody but a few sages like Michael Moore were taking him seriously as the next potential president." My point, such as it was, was that by taking him seriously once he had been elected, the media contributed in no small part to where we are now. It's all very well to say with hindsight, but if they had ignored all his shenanigans, rather than treating him as if he was not a nutter, perhaps the alt-right MAGgots wouldn't have got as far as storming the Capitol in an attempted coup that he incited?

New thread already I'll need some time catching up

@DGRossetti
I have just read a book about the Cultural Revolution in China and everything on that list is mirrored by the CCP.

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom
The media including ours have shown an unhealthy obsession with Trump the last 4 years.

I had not seen this clip:

twitter.com/i/status/1347657507007827968

I've always liked Umberto Eco's list of essential features of fascism -- there's a good summary here:
www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

George Orwell's Notes on Nationalism is also a good read:
www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/

Note that even then he was highlighting 'indifference to reality' as a key nationalist trait.
The internet has made this worse but it's an age-old thing.

Lionheart
Sadly NOTHING about the complicity between law and military officers on and off duty surprises me now

Igotjelly - idiologies - perfect description in a word - well done.

@Lweji

I hope all those rioters are shitting themselves that the FBI is going to show up at their doors. I bet many have deleted their posts and possibly FB accounts, but those actions may actually trigger a warning for surveillance.

And I think it just shows they are mindless thugs.

People who really do believe in their cause won't hide from their actions.

It's the reason most terrorist claim their actions.

These are just idiots who thought they could do what they wanted as white males because trump would protect them. They aren't black.

I hope they all face the 10 years thumps new laws will provide most of them. And it serves as an example.

Just realised where I know the emblem on his vest from. It's the logo from the Punisher TV series. So basically some numpty dressed up as his favourite TV character