to think Donald Trump needs to be committed?

[NameofTheWind]

He's clearly suffering from a severe mental health issue.
It's astounding that he got to a position of power in the first place obviously, but now his delusions are absolutely off the scale.
He genuinely believes that the election results were a conspiracy, very publicly announced that it was a landslide victory in his favour when it so blatantly wasn't.
He obviously has a long history of utter lunacy, but reading his tweets and seeing recent events makes it clear that he's mentally unwell and a danger to himself and others.

I don't know about committed, but I think he ought to be behind bars

I say no to committed

But yes to criminal investigation

"Anyone who thinks Biden and Trump are comparable is seriously deluded."

"And I'm not a particular fan of Biden or think he was the best Democratic candidate."

I don't think it's really the point though, not directly.

The problem is that large numbers of Americans have been completely left out, economically due to globalism, and they also have very much been politically disempowered. They have no political voice.

That's something that has come about because of the actions of both political parties, and people have two choices really. They are used to making a choice, not based so much on the individual, but the things they are likely to accomplish, or a generalised sense of the direction they are going in.

Those who have voted Trump based on their preference for policies are still very aware of who Trump is and that he can't be compared to Biden. GOP played with fire and got burnt. But they knew they were playing with fire. The vast majority heavily criticised Trump before he got them the Presidency, but know they can work with Biden. Like I don't class Pence and Trump in the same category. Or George W., or even Dick Cheney. They wouldn't have directed a crowd to the Capitol if they lost re-election.
Then there are the hard-core Trump fans, and those, I'm afraid, ARE seriously deluded. I do think they know it at heart, but it suits them and their agenda.

We are now seeing corporate groups being the ones who decide what information is fit to be published or should be banned (nothing could go wrong there...)

I agree this is a danger. The ban from social media should have come from a court.

Having said that, social media are not official media.

Trump hijacked social media for his official communications, unlike most Presidents. This is why he is now suffering and it looks like he has been silenced.
Most social media have regulations to membership, some of which will be rooted in law. If they allow incitement to violence, they may be liable for charges. Their lawyers will have evaluated the implications of allowing Trump to use them after what happened and the content of his posts.

The WH has its own page, which is usually the vehicle for official communications. That has not been shut down.
Trump is still free to give press conferences.

@Lweji

We are now seeing corporate groups being the ones who decide what information is fit to be published or should be banned (nothing could go wrong there...)

I agree this is a danger. The ban from social media should have come from a court.

Why? People are getting angry with SM compactor doing nothing- they're protecting themselves as they are entitled to do.

The man incited a riot against his countries government, partly USING SM. They should absolutely ban him.

@ChestnutStuffing The problem is that large numbers of Americans have been completely left out, economically due to globalism, and they also have very much been politically disempowered. They have no political voice.

It is easy to blame 'globalism' for everything. Fact of the matter is that technology and modern machines have meant our previous pro-isolationist policies don't work anymore. Globalism is simply the breaking down of borders to communicate better, to trade and thus sell exports, etc. Globalism seeks to include people economically. Isolationism is the philosophy that cuts a country off from trade - which means economic benefit. Modern technology, modern trade, modern communications (of which we are using right now to communicate on this site, which is hosted on an American .com domain rather than .co.uk), is all part of globalism and you cannot unscramble the egg, it is here to stay. Unless you want to resort to pre-WWI isolationist practices with snail mail, want to revert to pre-computer ways of working (impossible with medical equipment and medical technology) from the stone age.

Globalism works for those who are innovative and able to adapt with the times. It is not globalism or globalisation that has economically disempowered people. It is modern technology and machinery replacing manpower. More computers are replacing jobs humans did. That is just progress. The passage of time. Modern technology (using now). As I said, you cannot unscramble the egg. You adapt, or you get left behind.

As for them having no political voice, on the contrary! They have more of a voice now, and far louder, than ever before. Globalisation and technology has aided that. Actually those that think their economic woes are all due to globalisation seem to be the loudest and most aggressive group who get the most attention. Unfortunately no one in government or opposition is explaining why they are wrong in attacking globalism or doing anything to allay their fears or helping them be innovative. And that definitely is a failing of governments.

If he was successfully impeached it would save the taxpayers funding his pension and protection for life.

Corporate groups are not 'banning information'. Corporations like Twitter are PRIVATE BUSINESSES, they are private enterprise and as such, choose who they do business with. So I don't get the complaints from people who say they are anti-communist/socialist/globalist, but yet attack a private entity for making business decisions in the free market. You either want a free market with private enterprise, or you want a communist system. One or the other.

People seem to forget the paragraphs that start with we reserve the right to..... which Twitter, Amazon etc have in their TOS. These are private businesses. Why do people assume they have a right to anything from these private entities?

As I saw on a meme yesterday:
"To anyone complaining about a PRIVATE MEDIA COMPANY kicking Trump off THEIR platform; think of twitter as a Christian bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake".

Also from a meme: I’m so sick of the ‘freedom of speech’ argument.
There is no god given right to lie.
There is no god given right to incite violence.
There is no god given right to slander and degrade.
Having a platform is a privilege and when it’s abused it should be taken away.
As I said, if you don't stick to the Terms of Service of usage you can be banned. Quite a simple concept. Even Mumsnet can ban you if you don't stick to the Guidelines/ToS. Private enterprise make their own rules, don't like it, create your own platform. Twitter/Facebook/Parler/MySpace/YouTube/Instagram etc is a private entity, it is not the government, so they don't owe you 'free speech'.
They don't owe you anything. Or do we now want to eradicate the free market and ban private enterprise? You can't have it both ways.

I think the problem is that no-one has ever said no to him.

@Lweji

We are now seeing corporate groups being the ones who decide what information is fit to be published or should be banned (nothing could go wrong there...)

I agree this is a danger. The ban from social media should have come from a court.

So you want a court to interfere in the day to day general User ToS of a private entity? That to me, is pure Communism. Next step is adopting the political system of China or North Korea.

Cookie3

A corporation being private does not mean they are not subject to regulation. There are all kinds of laws around the media and communications companies because of their important social and political role.

As for Americans eing better represented now politically? I'm not convinced you have a clue how their system works, but voters have very few choices, and the same money and interests fund them all. Between the Republicans and the Democrats, for a long time, the choice has been neoliberal free market capitalism, or neoliberal free market capitalism. It should be no wonder that when an outlier shows up, people are willing to try something different.

@Wales34

Why are you doing sure that there wasn't election fraud. There is actually a lot of evidence but msm pretends there isn't. I've been following the hearings/ evidence on twitter. However twitter has git rid of not only bis account by a number of other accounts i following. This is a very dangerous time for free speech . People need not to focus on trump himself but the American people who voted for him .

where is the evidence ? the legally tested evidence. Not twitter theories and made up FB threads. EVIDENCE, There isn't any. 61 out of 62 court cases thrown out. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of widespread voter irregularity

If there was evidence of fraud they need to show their hand. You can’t just yell ‘it’s no fair!’ like a kid on the playground.

where is the evidence ? the legally tested evidence. Not twitter theories and made up FB threads. EVIDENCE, There isn't any. 61 out of 62 court cases thrown out. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of widespread voter irregularity

That proves there's a conspiracy then.

Someone is used to having his pronouncements as gospel.

If he’d been taken in hand as a small child, none of this would have happened...

** He's clearly suffering from a severe mental health issue.

‘Stop making excuses for him, I think he knows exactly what he's doing, he has spent most of his adult life in business bullying and cheating with few challenging him.’*

It isn’t making excuses for him to say that he’s tipped over the edge because he can’t cope with the idea that he won’t be President anymore. MH issues don’t preclude a person from being an evil man.

There have been debates like this about Hitler as well. No one suggests that it makes him less responsible for the deaths of six million Jews.

@Cokie3

Corporate groups are not 'banning information'. Corporations like Twitter are PRIVATE BUSINESSES, they are private enterprise and as such, choose who they do business with. So I don't get the complaints from people who say they are anti-communist/socialist/globalist, but yet attack a private entity for making business decisions in the free market. You either want a free market with private enterprise, or you want a communist system. One or the other.

People seem to forget the paragraphs that start with we reserve the right to..... which Twitter, Amazon etc have in their TOS. These are private businesses. Why do people assume they have a right to anything from these private entities?

As I saw on a meme yesterday:
"To anyone complaining about a PRIVATE MEDIA COMPANY kicking Trump off THEIR platform; think of twitter as a Christian bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake".

Also from a meme: I’m so sick of the ‘freedom of speech’ argument.
There is no god given right to lie.
There is no god given right to incite violence.
There is no god given right to slander and degrade.
Having a platform is a privilege and when it’s abused it should be taken away.
As I said, if you don't stick to the Terms of Service of usage you can be banned. Quite a simple concept. Even Mumsnet can ban you if you don't stick to the Guidelines/ToS. Private enterprise make their own rules, don't like it, create your own platform. Twitter/Facebook/Parler/MySpace/YouTube/Instagram etc is a private entity, it is not the government, so they don't owe you 'free speech'.
They don't owe you anything. Or do we now want to eradicate the free market and ban private enterprise? You can't have it both ways.

This is very naive . The world has moved on , narratives and facts are generated by social media , of which there are only about 3 or 4 who control everything .You show a complete lack of understanding about how it works and the implications of these companies deciding whose voices get heard. I am shocked actually! As a starting point , I would do some research on the role of the media in fascist regimes, and also read George Orwell 1984.

@ChestnutStuffing

Cookie3

A corporation being private does not mean they are not subject to regulation. There are all kinds of laws around the media and communications companies because of their important social and political role.

As for Americans eing better represented now politically? I'm not convinced you have a clue how their system works, but voters have very few choices, and the same money and interests fund them all. Between the Republicans and the Democrats, for a long time, the choice has been neoliberal free market capitalism, or neoliberal free market capitalism. It should be no wonder that when an outlier shows up, people are willing to try something different.

The ethos of globalism is right, however , as always , there is corruption. We end up in a place where a smaller number of very powerful , wealthy people / corporations controlling a larger number of people across the globe . Make no mistake, this already exists.This is why social media bias is so frightening, the truth becomes what they allow on their platform .Sovereign nations give people freedom and safeguards democracy .

@DGRossetti

where is the evidence ? the legally tested evidence. Not twitter theories and made up FB threads. EVIDENCE, There isn't any. 61 out of 62 court cases thrown out. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of widespread voter irregularity

That proves there's a conspiracy then.

Yes, if you can't find evidence of a conspiracy, it only proves the conspiracy is working. But, OTOH, how do people know there is a conspiracy? What if votes were magically changed?

Power went to his head. He's deluded and a sore loser

It's terrible that the USA and the UK have had such a poor choice of candidates for President and PM in recent years. Absolutely shocking

Normal person: "Despite having done everything possible to check, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever".

Nutter: "Oh well that proves it's a conspiracy then".

@halfeatenhamper

Normal person: "Despite having done everything possible to check, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever".

Nutter: "Oh well that proves it's a conspiracy then".

Pretty much the size of it.

At that point, it's time to file said person under "stupid" and bail. Unless you like pulling the legs off flies.

For non-morons, a really good rule of thumb about conspiracy theories, generally, is the more "ahas !" you need to add to make them work, the less likely they are to be true. The Moon Landings being a good example. By the time you've deal with the 100,000 who worked for NASA all being "in on it" plus the Russians who kept quiet, plus the people that worked on the TV broadcast, plus the people that had to doctor all the labs around the world analysis of the moon rocks you realise that faking the moon landings would have been a million times more impressive feat than simply going there.

FBI and DOJ due to give a Press conference shortly

Trump is signing the Wall. Again.

I just watched 3 trumpettes in Ch4 news - madder than an box of frogs.