to think Donald Trump needs to be committed?

[NameofTheWind]

He's clearly suffering from a severe mental health issue.
It's astounding that he got to a position of power in the first place obviously, but now his delusions are absolutely off the scale.
He genuinely believes that the election results were a conspiracy, very publicly announced that it was a landslide victory in his favour when it so blatantly wasn't.
He obviously has a long history of utter lunacy, but reading his tweets and seeing recent events makes it clear that he's mentally unwell and a danger to himself and others.

You know, the distinction between “being and arse” and “being mentally unwell” isn’t as black and white as some of you make out, especially in the case of personality disorders.

Personality disorders don’t really exist as discreet disorders. The only way you can identify them is through reported behaviour, so what you have is a sliding scale from good to bad behaviour and a fairly arbitrary (culturally determined) cut-off point.

To be clear, I think Donald Trump is an absolutely terrible president, who has and continues to damage American society. I would fully support his impeachment. But none of this is related to any views on whether or not he is ‘mentally ill’ or ‘just a dick’.

Some people get very defensive and like to make a clear distinction because, for personal reasons, they like to make a distinguish between people whose antisocial behaviour is out of their control, and those who seem to choose it. These people are asking themselves the question “is this person to blame”?
I suggests that the question of blame be put aside and a different question asked: “what does this person need?” And also “what do the people around this person need”?
I have no idea what Trump needs, but right now what America needs is for him not to be President, so that is enough to decide what should happen next in my view, no “mentally ill” or “dickhead” labels necessary.

@WoolyMamamoth

Is he mentally unwell or just a really shit person who likes a power trip? They are two very different things.

Poor behaviour does not mean someone has a mental illness.

Agreed @WoolyMamamoth

However I wondered some time ago if he does not have some temporal lobe problems? He is literally unbalanced (remember him taking Teresa May's arm to go down steps?) and his speech and vocab have deteriorated significantly over 4 years. Like Biden some of that is to be expected in an older incumbent but Trumps decline seems to indicate rather more than simple aging. For this alone he should not be allowed near the Big Red Button as it were, but yes I think he also has a personality disorder.

In my previous post, I should substitude “good/bad behaviour” for “acceptable / unacceptable behaviour”.

@Zaphodstowel
thank you, that is a very thoughtful post.
I agree it is a case of What does America need (Trump out now not in 2 weeks) and then perhaps does the man himself need treatment (for any degenerative issues / 'personality disorder' or is it simply who he is?)

I cannot imagine someone like Trump being elected in any other democracy other than the US. I know we elected Boris but he’s not in the same league.

@RandomMess

He needs to be removed in a way so that he cannot run again nor hold a position to support another president ie his son!!

And YES @RandomMess this is the biggest danger. Not anything Trump can do in the next 2 weeks as we are all watching carefully now, but what he / his family can do quietly over the next 3 years in the run up to the next election.

I need to stop quoting other peoples quotes.
But there have been 3 excellent ones in a row!

While I don’t think he is fit enough to be the president (as certainly shows strong narcissistic traits as do many people it doesn’t mean they would be diagnosed as having NPD) I’m not sure he is so unwell he would need to be sectioned

Sadly the way it was handled was awful .
Even twitter was concerned the whole family plus the in-laws have shown what class and dignity are not .
A more nasty setup I have never seen .He sees the country as his personal property where rules do not apply to him.
How did he get into this position I’ll never know .

I don’t think he’s mentally ill. He’s a bully who’s never been told no. He sees everything as his property including the USA now he’s President. He believes he can do what he wants with it which is very scary.

To think 75 million adults still thought he would make a good President is even scarier. Imagine what would happen if he didn’t have to control his most crazy urges because he was in his second term so didn’t need to worry about a third term. The Evangelists would get what they wanted which was the end of the world through multiple wars on multiple fronts.

He's not mentally ill, he's just an awful bully who's probably a narcissist. All of the mentally ill people I've cared for over the years haven't been anything like this. Trump is an utter git and not very intelligent. It's a bad combination.

It beggars belief that he was ever elected in the first place. I sincerely hope that there will be things in place to stop him running in 2024.

Its ironic that he fully accepted the democratic vote when he won but now claims its all lies and everyone is corrupt. The sooner he goes the better and hopefully that will be within days. A truly nasty unstable and vicious man.

When he was voted in I had visions of The Dead Zone...

My premonitions have been close....

He has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, he's delusional and he's inciting people to harm others so yes, he could be sectioned but he won't get over his disorder so he could only be sectioned until he stops behaving like this.

Why are you doing sure that there wasn't election fraud. There is actually a lot of evidence but msm pretends there isn't. I've been following the hearings/ evidence on twitter. However twitter has git rid of not only bis account by a number of other accounts i following. This is a very dangerous time for free speech . People need not to focus on trump himself but the American people who voted for him .

Have you diagnosed him Lovely1a2b3c

@YesMeLady

Its ironic that he fully accepted the democratic vote when he won but now claims its all lies and everyone is corrupt. The sooner he goes the better and hopefully that will be within days. A truly nasty unstable and vicious man.

No I'm sorry but this isn't ramblings on a mad man , there is evidence of fraud .

A bit scared of what he'll do next.

Assassinate Joe? Set of a nuke? 🤷‍♀️

That's not fair on the doctors and nurses that would have to put up with him though. Imagine having to listen to him until he dies, that could be a long time.

Can I split the difference and say that I'm not convinced he is ill but to still want him committed?

Why are you doing sure that there wasn't election fraud. There is actually a lot of evidence but msm pretends there isn't. I've been following the hearings/ evidence on twitter. However twitter has git rid of not only bis account by a number of other accounts i following. This is a very dangerous time for free speech . People need not to focus on trump himself but the American people who voted for him .

^ive seen some of this as well, I find it horrifying that Trump might have a point. If he turns out to be right then we’re all doomed

Mentally he is fine, he is just a narcissist supremacist.

He is merely a symptom of a wider problem. Just look at those crowds and the gun lobby.

Thing is, there is ALWAYS a bit of fraud. In every election there will be some twats who want to cheat. In any democratic country on earth. There was probably just as much cheating in favour of Trump as there was in favour of Biden!

However cheating on a scale that would overturn an election would require a conspiracy of huge proportion, and there is absolutely zero evidence of that.

If there is fraud then surely the last election was fraudulent too. He is saying he leads a corrupt country. Do you think he would have ordered recounts if he had won just to make sure and prove it was all legal. He has no proof, no evidence and suggesting drinking bleach isnt the thinking if a rational man. .

@WoolyMamamoth

Is he mentally unwell or just a really shit person who likes a power trip? They are two very different things.

Poor behaviour does not mean someone has a mental illness.

Absolutely this. Poor MH is too often cited when in actual fact the person is simply nasty/ violent/ a bully/ a despot etc. My loved ones with severe MH problems display none of these behaviours.