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to think Donald Trump needs to be committed?

233 replies

NameofTheWind · 09/01/2021 10:29

He's clearly suffering from a severe mental health issue.
It's astounding that he got to a position of power in the first place obviously, but now his delusions are absolutely off the scale.
He genuinely believes that the election results were a conspiracy, very publicly announced that it was a landslide victory in his favour when it so blatantly wasn't.
He obviously has a long history of utter lunacy, but reading his tweets and seeing recent events makes it clear that he's mentally unwell and a danger to himself and others.

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Anon778833 · 10/01/2021 13:00

As inarticulate as Trump is, in the reading I’ve done about him he’s described as cunning as a fox. I think he’s extremely dangerous. Thank goodness he didn’t get handed another 4 years is all I can say.

HmmSureJan · 10/01/2021 13:00

Absolutely. A lot of bollocks being spouted these last few pages. If you don’t see or understand why Trump is so dangerous, I suggest you stop opining and do some reading.

I do see why but I believe Biden and his crew being their own problems too. This is the biggest problem with this discussion - the aggression, rudeness and dismissal of any thought or opinion that diverts even slightly from the party line. It's just so unnecessary.

Anon778833 · 10/01/2021 13:02

@Crazycatlady83 I really hope Ivanka doesn’t get the chance to take over where her father left off. She’s as bad as he is.

TurquoiseDragon · 10/01/2021 13:05

I think Trump is displaying signs of dementia. He's acting in a way I saw with my late FIL, who developed dementia and went downhill rapidly.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 13:19

There is now talk of, if Trump can’t run again due to impeachment, one of his children running!

I think there was a strong possibility of that. Then Wednesday happened. I think that put paid to any Trump running for office

8I do see why but I believe Biden and his crew being their own problems too. This is the biggest problem with this discussion - the aggression, rudeness and dismissal of any thought or opinion that diverts even slightly from the party line. It's just so unnecessary*

Don't agree. We are able to judge the last 4 years and Wednesday's attempted coup engineered by the current President.

We are unable to judge the next 4 years. Yet.

lilfoxfur · 10/01/2021 13:19

He's not ill as such.

I believe he has a severe personality disorder, possibly malignant narcissism at best, psychopathy at worse.

He's an extremely dangerous man who needs to have his power removed as quickly as possible

Roussette · 10/01/2021 13:20

Sorry, that middle para should be highlighted, i was quoting it, I didn't write it!

Lweji · 10/01/2021 13:26

Don't agree. We are able to judge the last 4 years and Wednesday's attempted coup engineered by the current President.
We are unable to judge the next 4 years. Yet

I'm willing to bet my life on Biden not trying a coup at the end of his presidency.

itsgettingweird · 10/01/2021 13:31

He's not having a MH crisis.

1980's. Same then as he is now.

"We need hate to get things done"

Cherrysoup · 10/01/2021 13:33

I think there was a strong possibility of that. Then Wednesday happened. I think that put paid to any Trump running for office

Depends how Biden’s term goes. There are an astonishing amount of people on social media who are still banging on about voter fraud and that they were robbed of the election and that Trump is still their hero. I find it quite amazing, so I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility of a Trump kid running. Not sure if the other obvious option of Ted Cruz, a much more intelligent and educated version of Trump is better or worse.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 13:38

Lweji I'm not sure the odds on that bet would be good!

itsnotgettingweird what Trump did to those five innocent men should have been enough to stop him becoming a presidential candidate. I watched the series on Netflix, it was absolutely heartbreaking. I had to make myself watch it.
He has never apologised and still says they are guilty despite DNA evidence and a confession proving otherwise.
It's like the election in that he will forever say it was stolen.
It wasn't.
He lost.

HmmSureJan · 10/01/2021 13:41

@Lweji

Don't agree. We are able to judge the last 4 years and Wednesday's attempted coup engineered by the current President. We are unable to judge the next 4 years. Yet

I'm willing to bet my life on Biden not trying a coup at the end of his presidency.

Some people don't agree that it was a coup and that the riots, burnings, attacks and deaths which were not strenuously criticised by democrat politicians over the summer and in fact were encouraged by many and are still going on in Portland I believe, were just as bad. Many believe that there is evidence of vote tampering in the election and personally I think there probably was, though not nearly on the scale claimed or enough to make a real difference and I think Biden would have won anyway but I think some did what they thought they needed to to make sure of it.

There's nothing that could make me vote for Trump and I am staunch labour voter in the U.K. I agree that his name is mud now - deservedly - and he and his family are out of US politics forever and thank goodness for that but both sides must be held to account for their wrong doings or this is not true democracy and anyone who can't see that is utterly deluded themselves. Almost half the country voted for Trump and to ignore that and label ALL of those people as mentally ill or right wing fascists is to ignore a terrifying path that country and possibly the entire west is on. I'll be utterly roasted for this post so I will hide the thread. I've no intention of spending my Sunday reading vicious rants and being told I am stupid by various ill mannered MNetters who are too frightened to face up to the fact that if they turn their face away from the wrong doing of their own side because "the end justifies the means" then they they do not believe in democracy.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 13:43

I wouldn't roast you. I agree with some of your points. I really had not seen vicious rants directed at you at all on here.
Perhaps we can hold Biden to account when he's actually completed his 4 years?

Lweji · 10/01/2021 13:44

Some people don't agree that it was a coup and that the riots, burnings, attacks and deaths which were not strenuously criticised by democrat politicians over the summer and in fact were encouraged by many and are still going on in Portland I believe, were just as bad

Who, apart from you and a small minority?

Even Republican leaders are appalled. Their lives were in danger now. They weren't in the Summer.
No cries of hang Pence in the Summer.

Jessi1972 · 10/01/2021 13:53

The reason they won't invoke the 25th amendment is because Trump can appeal. It can't be done in the 10 days left.

If Trump appeals the 25th amendment being invoked he has 21 days to do so leaving the possibility of 2 presidents being in charge.

The only way he will loose all the presidential trappings after leaving office and barred from running again is if he is convicted by 2 thirds of the Senate after the articles of impeachment have been agreed.

Livelovebehappy · 10/01/2021 13:57

TBH, I’ve voted every year, my entire life, but if I was in the US, I would not have voted for either candidate in this election. Both are scarily incompetent. And I really fear there is worse to come in the next 4 years. Had anyone else been in opposition other than Trump, Biden would have been bounced out by a massive majority. Obviously we have no crystal ball, and I hope I’m wrong, but I really think Biden will take incompetence to a new level once he gets his feet under the table.

Cokie3 · 10/01/2021 14:08

@HmmSureJan

Some people don't agree that it was a coup

It wasn't an actual coup per se because it wasn't successful. But it was most certainly an attempted coup, and the intent was there.

and that the riots, burnings, attacks and deaths which were not strenuously criticised by democrat politicians over the summer and in fact were encouraged by many and are still going on in Portland I believe, were just as bad.

Ok, the comparisons to the Floyd protests is particularly distasteful because it ignores the reasons. But, first of all, I watched it all closely, no Democrat politicians encouraged it, indeed most actually came out straight away and denounced them. So saying they didn't and some encouraged them is dishonest. Not one single Democrat politician said anything to remotely encourage the riots and looting, not one single one.

Now, back onto the reasons.

In case one, African Americans started protesting because they were being killed simply for their race. It was all about SURVIVAL.

In the second case, it was simply because they couldn't stand that they lost an election. There was no fighting for their very lives or survival. There was no reason that justified the storming the Capitol, smearing faeces on the walls, the bombs hidden in trucks and around the capitol that were found. To compare a fight for their very lives to what happened in the Capitol is abhorrently ignorant as one African American said on Facebook. Insulting, abhorrently ignorant, and displays an appalling lack of understanding of the prime driver and motivator of the June protests. As the attached tweet from someone shows.

Many believe that there is evidence of vote tampering in the election and personally I think there probably was, though not nearly on the scale claimed or enough to make a real difference and I think Biden would have won anyway but I think some did what they thought they needed to to make sure of it.

It's like....how about we rig the election so Trump doesn't win?
What about the Senate? Hmmm nah....
Yeah, not sure how there is a valid argument that the Dems attempted to rig it, but completely forgot to 'rig' the Senate, where it actually counts, which is what they need to get the President's agenda through. Piss poor attempt at vote tampering if you omit what you most need to make a govt work. In fact, as I said above, the only person charged with electoral fraud, was a registered Republican voter in Pennsylvania who registered his dead mother, so he could vote for Trump twice.
And lets be honest; does anyone truly believe Trump got anywhere near 74 million votes, after the last 4 years of his behaviour and chaos? If there was any fraud or rigging it was (as it usually is; in 2016, 3 people in Tennessee were charged with voting twice - all registered Republicans, so it's vintage Republican M.O) in Trump's favour, but it wasn't enough. Don't forget that Trump deliberately laid the ground rules months before the election, talking about how mail-in ballots were wrong (despite many Defence service personnel using mail-in ballots), how the machines were tampered with; didn't people notice? He LAID THE GROUNDWORK to claim the election was 'rigged' when his polling was at it's lowest. He knew he was going to lose. Bannon and others were talking about storming the Capitol months before, they knew he was going to lose. So, sew a little - or a lot of doubt, talk down the election process months before, lay the groundwork so people start getting acquainted with the idea it may be 'rigged' - all before the election was held.

Trump was planning for his impending election loss for a long, long time. He sowed the seeds of doubt in the electoral process months before they went to the polls.

He has been planning this 'fraud'/'rigged' hoax for many, many months. Many of us noticed the background planning and rhetoric being set in motion, a lot of people though it seems didn't notice at all.

to think Donald Trump needs to be committed?
itsgettingweird · 10/01/2021 14:14

Totally agree that many could see Trump was laying the narrative about voting rigging in case he needed it.

And that's why I don't buy into the MH angle.

He started to wind himself up to tantrum in case he needed to to get his own way.

He's now just having a bigger tantrum because the first one didn't work.

It's like watching a weird episode of super nanny with him constantly out on the naughty step and reappearing in a bigger rage with Jo Biden being Jo Frost!

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 10/01/2021 14:23

I’m looking forward to the film version...

blueangel19 · 10/01/2021 14:41

Almost half the country voted for Trump and to ignore that and label ALL of those people as mentally ill or right wing fascists is to ignore a terrifying path that country and possibly the entire west is on.

Also, Democrats are the party of high morals on paper and speeches. They would like to own the minorities. In reality they also seem to be getting very scary radical people into their party. Then Obama is still on and on why Cubans and Venezuelans votes for Trump.

veeeeh · 10/01/2021 14:47

It is his supporters who have issues, bigly issues.

charlottemont · 10/01/2021 16:40

@Cokie3 covered everything that I was planning on saying beautifully.

I just want to emphasize the distinction between the protests this summer and the insurrection this week one more time because it is extremely important to understand.

There is a difference between storming the capitol, many with weapons and zip ties to apparently take hostages, and with protesting because people are dying. While the UK obviously has its own issues with racism and the like, I don’t think anyone can fully comprehend the level of systemic racism that exists in the US to this day. The remnants of Jim Crow laws and redlining have many lingering effects and one of them is racism in policing. That’s not to say that every police officer is racist, but rather that many of the police officers who are are never held accountable.

I completely understand your point that the protests this summer did revolve into riots at times. First of all, though, the vast majority did not. Most were perfectly peaceful, but when you have countrywide protests, a few bad actors tend to come out. Moreover, there’s that famous MLK quote— “riots are the language of the unheard.”

And one last time to those who are alleging widespread election fraud- you can’t say that and then bring zero evidence to the table. Widespread allegations (stemming from the president and people like Ted Cruz) do not equal fact.

ChestnutStuffing · 10/01/2021 19:07

@Lweji

Anyone who thinks Biden and Trump are comparable is seriously deluded.

And I'm not a particular fan of Biden or think he was the best Democratic candidate.

I don't think it's really the point though, not directly.

The problem is that large numbers of Americans have been completely left out, economically due to globalism, and they also have very much been politically disempowered. They have no political voice.

That's something that has come about because of the actions of both political parties, and people have two choices really. They are used to making a choice, not based so much on the individual, but the things they are likely to accomplish, or a generalised sense of the direction they are going in.

legofootcasualty · 10/01/2021 19:13

I mean, he clearly has an extreme personality disorder (narcissism/antisocial narcissism) and he was dangerously unhinged when in power. But he's not psychotic or delusional - ie, not in a position to be committed.

I think he just needs to pack his things and gtfo.

ChestnutStuffing · 10/01/2021 19:17

About voter fraud - I think what underlies this is that many Americans don't think their voting system is totally above board or fair. And they are right. There are all kinds of problems with gerrymandering. There are problems with how candidates were funded. We are now seeing corporate groups being the ones who decide what information is fit to be published or should be banned (nothing could go wrong there...)

People are very ready to believe there s fraud going on because of the underlying, longstanding sense of something being wrong.

And it's not just the Trump supporters either, you saw much the same thing from many Democrats, when Trump won last time. A slightly different spin, but just an unwillingness to believe that it could happen.