to think Donald Trump needs to be committed?

[NameofTheWind]

He's clearly suffering from a severe mental health issue.
It's astounding that he got to a position of power in the first place obviously, but now his delusions are absolutely off the scale.
He genuinely believes that the election results were a conspiracy, very publicly announced that it was a landslide victory in his favour when it so blatantly wasn't.
He obviously has a long history of utter lunacy, but reading his tweets and seeing recent events makes it clear that he's mentally unwell and a danger to himself and others.

@OhWhyNot

Trump will be gone very soon

The bigger worry is that someone smarter will come along to take his place, who will use his rhetoric but shall be a better politician. Let’s not forget that Trump despite the last four years received more votes than anyone else In a presidential campaign apart from Biden

America wasn’t united before, Trump didn’t create the divisions he just added a lot of fuel to the fire

Yes, I think this is the important point.

Trump was elected because of serious problems in the American poltical system. Some of them go beyond that - globalism is one of the major factors, just as with Brexit.

Unless there is some kind of political response, people will do what they can to try and bring about change. Does anyone think Biden is likely to do that? Or any other political figure? If not, it is wide open for any opportunist or crazed ideologue.

all MustardMitt I do not know what you mean by followers. 74 million people of voters are dangerous or did you mean the conspiracy theories bunch?

Does anyone think Biden is likely to do that? Or any other political figure? If not, it is wide open for any opportunist or crazed ideologue.

Biden is staring on the wrong foot by further creating racial division that started with Obama. Check his Twitter to see what I mean with response to Capitol comparing to BLM. People were not happy about this. Sadly, I think they will not unite but further divide. I have not faith.

@Wales34

Why are you doing sure that there wasn't election fraud. There is actually a lot of evidence but msm pretends there isn't. I've been following the hearings/ evidence on twitter. However twitter has git rid of not only bis account by a number of other accounts i following. This is a very dangerous time for free speech . People need not to focus on trump himself but the American people who voted for him .

@Wales34 Wrong, there is ZERO evidence. If there were, don't you think for one moment that the most learned Judges and Justices even in the most conservative of states would have said? I have no idea what 'hearings/'evidence' on twitter you have been following but if any of it was legit the mainstream media would have been duty bound to cover it.

The fact that some of the accounts you have been following got zapped basically proves they were spreading dangerous misinformation, which is one of the reasons twitter zaps accounts. It sounds like you've been misled and wrongly believed these garbage accounts, instead of real actual verifiable news.

@Wales34 No, I am sorry, but there is NO evidence of fraud. Not one single millimetre of a skerrick of evidence. Don't be brainwashed by ultra far right lies.

@TheWitchwithNoName

Why are you doing sure that there wasn't election fraud. There is actually a lot of evidence but msm pretends there isn't. I've been following the hearings/ evidence on twitter. However twitter has git rid of not only bis account by a number of other accounts i following. This is a very dangerous time for free speech . People need not to focus on trump himself but the American people who voted for him .

^ive seen some of this as well, I find it horrifying that Trump might have a point. If he turns out to be right then we’re all doomed

Trump doesn't have a point. There is precisely zero evidence. Absolutely zero. Even those on his own side say the same thing. If there was, believe me we'd have seen it. Even the most conservative of Republican Judges and Justices, as well as Electoral Law experts and Constitutional scholars have said there is no evidence at all. 'Evidence' to date has been the obligatory far-right concocted YouTube 'clips' (which as we all know are almost always doctored these days) and when the clips appear to show fraud ie someone filling papers or pulling things out of boxes, there has always been a logical explanation ie polling booth procedures, writing tallies etc and timestamps in the polling places as well as computer records in the polling places match up and show the true picture. Or 'Affidavits' by registered Republicans that it was proven weren't even present at the polling places when they 'saw' or 'overheard' something, thus the affidavit was made up lies.

As I said, not one single millimetre of sliver or skerrick of evidence of fraud has been found. And the one person who has been charged, was a registered Republican in Pennsylvania who registered his dead mother so he could vote twice for Trump.....

They should impeach him for two reasons

1. To set a precedent
2. To strip him of the pension and lifelong benefits he will get as a past president.

@VinterKvinna that’s how it was for us - such was our hate of Hillary that we just had to vote for whoever stood against her. We would have voted for Mickey Mouse before we voted for her.

@Cokie3 I can’t say that there has or hadn’t been any fraud. I’ve never worked an election so I don’t know of it’s normal for boxes of ballots to be moved around, etc. But we do know for a fact that a lot of dead people and ineligible people voted. There were a large number of cases where people voted in two states, received duplicate ballots, etc. We received ballots for people who have not lived at our address for many years (they weren’t even the people we bought the house from, so they must have been here before the previous occupants). A friend at work said her 3 daughters all received two ballots each. Now fortunately we and my friend’s daughters are all honest and didn’t use the duplicate or erroneously received ballots but not everyone is honest.

[quote BritWifeinUSA]@VinterKvinna that’s how it was for us - such was our hate of Hillary that we just had to vote for whoever stood against her. We would have voted for Mickey Mouse before we voted for her.[/quote]
Why?

@HibernatingTill2030

They should impeach him for two reasons

1. To set a precedent
2. To strip him of the pension and lifelong benefits he will get as a past president.

Merely impeaching him won’t result in him losing any pensions or benefits. Only if he is convicted and removed from office.

Not that he needs the money anyway. He didn’t even take a salary during his time as president so I doubt he’s losing sleep and worrying how he’ll pay his bills if he loses his pension.

@echt Benghazi was enough for me. But also her user of personal email accounts and equipment for government work, Whitewater, Travelgate, and many other suspicious activities that were more than likely illegal.

There were ten investigations into the Benghazi matter: one by the FBI; one by an independent board commissioned by the State Department; two by Democrat-controlled Senate Committees; and six by Republican-controlled House Committees. After the first five Republican investigations found no evidence of wrongdoing by senior Obama administration officials, Republicans in 2014 opened a sixth investigation, the House Select Committee on Benghazi, chaired by Trey Gowdy. This investigation also failed to find any evidence of wrongdoing by senior Obama administration officials.

@Wales34

Why are you doing sure that there wasn't election fraud. There is actually a lot of evidence but msm pretends there isn't. I've been following the hearings/ evidence on twitter. However twitter has git rid of not only bis account by a number of other accounts i following. This is a very dangerous time for free speech . People need not to focus on trump himself but the American people who voted for him .

Well if that's true then he is the first president in the history of the United States so incompetent he couldn't over see a fair election.

"Not that he needs the money anyway. He didn’t even take a salary during his time as president so I doubt he’s losing sleep and worrying how he’ll pay his bills if he loses his pension."

He didn't need the salary, as he and his family were busy monetising the Presidency.

Do I think he has a personality disorder? Certainly. His behavior is textbook narcissistic personality disorder.

Do I want him to be committed? No. I want him to be impeached and stripped of the right to run for public office ever again. If not, I want the Southern District of New York to go after him. I suspect that he will pardon himself for federal crimes he committed in office, but he cannot pardon himself for state crimes.

As an American expat in the UK, it has been deeply upsetting seeing my country go through the past four years -- this week in particular. To the poster who said that Americans are just passionate and Trump's behavior is more accepted, I assure you that this is not the case with 51% of the population. Trump is the most polarizing leader we have ever seen and he has brought out the underlying cancers in our society. The US is a country of massive inequality - inequality in income, inequality in education, and inequality in opinion. Trump used a classic fascist tactic of creating a victim (the poor white person whose job is being taken by an immigrant) along with a host of others to truly brainwash a large swath of the US. Certain sects of the media (Fox News, Breitbart, and talk radio (rush limbaugh) in particular) amplified his views and only worsened the condition of my nation.

Trump feeds off of this chaos and the belief that his supporters will fight for him to the end. He was gleeful as the insurrectionists stormed the Capitol. I want him stripped of the only legitimate platform he has left: political office. He will never fade out of the public consciousness, but he will hopefully never pose a legitimate threat again.

@Wales34 @ TheWitchwithNoName

Please do share your evidence of widespread voter fraud that no courts were able to find! May I remind you that allegations (even if they are from the president and a few brown-nosing senators) do not equal the truth? Investigations have proven that there was no fraud. I refer you to Cokie3 's comments for a much better and more in depth version of what I said. I apologize if this comment comes off as sarcastic, but I am quite frankly tired of people questioning it when there is absolutely no proof of widespread fraud.

@ BritWifeinUSA
Before I respond, I want to recognize that your viewpoint is quite common in the US, so it certainly is a valid one. I do struggle, however, to really understand it -- particularly now that we have seen this past administration. How about Ivanka Trump using a personal email acount to send hundreds of government emails? Or the fact that more people died from the Trump-incited insurrection than did at Benghazi? Or, I don't know, the fact that he used a blatant quid pro quo to try to get a foreign government to investigate a political opponent? Hilary had her faults that I certainly recognized, but if legality is the question, I imagine that she would have fulfilled that ethical requirement far more easily that our outgoing president.

I think you can suffer from mental illness, be a terrible person, and have a degenerative brain disease like dementia separately. Just because you are mentally ill doesn't mean you are a bad person. Just because you have dementia it doesn't make you a bad person or mentally ill.

However Trump has hit the hat trick in being a terrible person for a long time, obviously having some form of mental illness, and likely some form of dementia too, judging by his weird quirks. If you watch interviews with him from before 2016 like the ones in the documentaries on iPlayer you can see that he has markedly declined since then. See also www.salon.com/2020/10/22/president-trumps-body-tics-and-forward-leaning-posture-raise-concerns-expert_partner/

It sickens me that Republicans are calling for "unity" and "healing" right now. They just want to brush the events of Wednesday under the carpet and not examine just what on earth has happened since Trump began to run for president. Sorry, you don't heal wounds by covering them up. That's how they fester and go septic.

Oh, and for people saying that Trump has been a victim for widespread fraud? In fact there has been fraud! However the isolated incidents are ones like this, where a man voted as himself and his dead mother for Trump and registered his dead mother in law as a voter who then voted for Trump too (although he doesn't appear to be charged with voting for the MIL) www.nytimes.com/2020/12/23/technology/Pennsylvania-voter-fraud-bartman.html

Chestnutstuffing I noticed that too about Trump speaking in very simple English in his rally, I think by doing so he appeals to his fan base. And it’s always about how rich he is , how he made the Saudis pay, he created more jobs , Mexico , immigration , drugs , crime , rapists. Obama. and repeat .
he was blaming everything that is wrong on others and how it was up to him to fix it.

@charlottemont

Do I think he has a personality disorder? Certainly. His behavior is textbook narcissistic personality disorder.

Do I want him to be committed? No. I want him to be impeached and stripped of the right to run for public office ever again. If not, I want the Southern District of New York to go after him. I suspect that he will pardon himself for federal crimes he committed in office, but he cannot pardon himself for state crimes.

As an American expat in the UK, it has been deeply upsetting seeing my country go through the past four years -- this week in particular. To the poster who said that Americans are just passionate and Trump's behavior is more accepted, I assure you that this is not the case with 51% of the population. Trump is the most polarizing leader we have ever seen and he has brought out the underlying cancers in our society. The US is a country of massive inequality - inequality in income, inequality in education, and inequality in opinion. Trump used a classic fascist tactic of creating a victim (the poor white person whose job is being taken by an immigrant) along with a host of others to truly brainwash a large swath of the US. Certain sects of the media (Fox News, Breitbart, and talk radio (rush limbaugh) in particular) amplified his views and only worsened the condition of my nation.

Trump feeds off of this chaos and the belief that his supporters will fight for him to the end. He was gleeful as the insurrectionists stormed the Capitol. I want him stripped of the only legitimate platform he has left: political office. He will never fade out of the public consciousness, but he will hopefully never pose a legitimate threat again.

All of this

OK @Wales34, bring it,on. Show the evidence of fraud or shut up and reach for some Valium. Actual evidence please, not the retweeted ramblings of paranoid nutters. You can't? Surprise.

‘ I think you can suffer from mental illness, be a terrible person, and have a degenerative brain disease like dementia separately. Just because you are mentally ill doesn't mean you are a bad person. Just because you have dementia it doesn't make you a bad person or mentally ill.’

Agree with this. He reminds me so much of my Mum who had Frontotemperal dementia which she died of the year he was elected. She created absolute havoc for the three years before she died as was so plausible .

My Brother who was abroad during all this and hadn’t actually seen her, just spoken to her, believed everything she said about me trying to financially abuse her as to be fair to him she sounded extremely plausible.

Talking to my Aunt I discovered that she had a history of lying which started during childhood and going through her papers exposed all the lies she had told everyone so her issues predated her dementia which just added a whole other layer of hell to contend with.

Not that he needs the money anyway. He didn’t even take a salary during his time as president so I doubt he’s losing sleep and worrying how he’ll pay his bills if he loses his pension.

Of course he does not need the money. Plus, he will still make a lot money when is not longer president.

BritWifeinUSA

Bhengazi was enough for you? 4 killed, hundreds of hours of hearings, innocent.
More died on Wednesday than in Bhengazi. Do you condemn what happened?

As far as Trump giving up his presidential salary, don't make me laugh. He has pimped out his golf courses, his hotels, his properties to visiting heads of countries, he even tried to hold the RNC at Doral to make money. He has no scruples and has made millions from the presidency, as has his family (Fact Javanka made $86million last year)
However, he may need some of those $ in the coming years. Deutsche Bank are circling... he owes them over $300 million, loans will be called in.

As for being mentally ill. Don't think so. Just a nasty indulged narc who happened to be in the right place at the right time and who will get his comeuppance eventually.

Of course he does not need the money. Plus, he will still make a lot money when is not longer president

Totally disagree. Deutsche Bank are circling. The Trump name is toxic. The pandemic has hit Trump.org big time. MAGA goods are closed down
He has fleeced his supporters for $$$$ to fight the election, what excuse can he give them now for begging for money from them?