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The way I speak to my partner: are we doomed?

278 replies

MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 12:16

I know IABVU and I need you lovely straight-talking ladies to sort me the eff out!

I have this really lovely partner of 4 years with innumerable good qualities. Ok he could do a bit better on the beard-hair-all-over-the-sink front, but I know I’ve got a good’un and I’m really really lucky.

So why does every word out of my mouth to him always seem to be a nag or a moan? I can’t seem to help myself, I make up my mind to try really hard not to nag or moan and before I know it it’s out of my mouth and he’s offended or hurt that despite everything good he does, I’m incapable of laying off him for any tiny transgression like not wiping the hob down after he’s splattered food all over it.

He usually weathers the storm and continues to be a little gem until every now and again it gets too much for him and he has a go at me. I get upset and tell him I know I’m a total cow, resolve 100% to do better. And it lasts for all of like an hour.

What’s wrong with me? Why can’t I show respect towards a fabulous guy? He definitely questions whether I love him and I really feel like I do love him so much! I couldn’t be without him or with anyone else. To compound the issue, I had a baby 9 months ago and my sex drive is pretty much zero (was also zero in the latter part of pregnancy and tbh I wasn’t exactly gagging for it before that).

We do live 3 hours from my family and 2 hours from his, in an unfamiliar area after returning from overseas so neither of us has any friends nearby. But that sounds like an excuse and I shouldn’t be making excuses.

Thoughts? puts on helmet and prepares for the worst

OP posts:
Eckhart · 07/01/2021 22:12

He keeps letting you down, in really simple ways. Who is right or wrong doesn't matter. The differences between you are doing your head in.

Death by a thousand cuts?

hadesinahalfahell · 07/01/2021 22:39

@Snog

Try two ticks and a wish Eg that was a delicious meal you made and thanks for trying a new recipe, if I had a wish I'd say that I'd also love if you could wipe the kitchen surfaces after you cook.
I do actually know someone who speaks to other adults like this in a tinkly little voice with an added head tilt. She always does it in front of other people too. She really reminds me of Professor Umbridge!
DParse · 07/01/2021 22:46

Thinking about your update, OP. Why would anyone, ever, have a meal with the TV on in the background? You and your partner set up a problem there which didn't need to exist at all.

TV should only be switched on when someone wants to watch something specfic, and and then switched off again. It should never, ever, be on at meal times.

Are there any other points of conflict that could be removed in the same way?

BenoneBeauty · 07/01/2021 23:03

This would be the end of our relationship Op if my DH behaved that way - I agree it's death by a thousand cuts. You're not nagging him, he's behaving like a spoilt child who needs telling constantly what to do and how to do it. Would drive me insane - and the TV thing - totally inexplicable and very annoying. Why would he even turn it back on again?

Regretsy · 07/01/2021 23:09

I really hate the term nagging - it’s only ever applied to women, like hysterical. You sound a bit incompatible domestic-wise and agree with pp about sitting down for a big chat. I also agree he’s prob being a strategically incompetent arsehole, but it’s impossible to know as you do seem quite hard on yourself. I don’t think you can push this down as you’ll get so resentful, and he won’t change by wishing. Also, I always watch tv when I eat! Can’t read a book can I!

BadLad · 07/01/2021 23:10

Thinking about your update, OP. Why would anyone, ever, have a meal with the TV on in the background? You and your partner set up a problem there which didn't need to exist at all.

TV should only be switched on when someone wants to watch something specfic, and and then switched off again. It should never, ever, be on at meal times.

Stuff that. If you want to live that way, then fine, but that doesn't make it what "should be done".

relievedlady · 07/01/2021 23:12

Christ if I said two ticks and a wish to my dh I think we'd fall out Grin

However I do get picky at times and I'm sure it pisses him off as much as it pisses me off

In the odd occasion hes said stop picking ive said well stop leaving shit everywhere and I won't pick.

MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 23:14

@BenoneBeauty I couldn’t fathom it to be honest! This actually is another thing I’ve mentioned before: he ALWAYS has background noise, either the TV or his phone/ iPad. He even has a YouTube video or something on in the bathroom every night while he bathes the baby (usually a documentary or something interesting rather than trashy mindless stuff). Wherever he is in the house there will be the tinny sound of a video playing. But I moan about this and then I feel bad because he really doesn’t get much down time, as when he’s off work he’s looking after the baby while I try to catch up on my jobs. And I’m like well is it doing me any harm? I would like the baby to get his undivided attention but no one can give 100% of themselves all the time etc...

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dazzlinghaze · 07/01/2021 23:14

He sounds like an immature arsehole, OP. My first long term boyfriend was similar and I was forever on his back about something or other. He was generally a good person and not trying to be annoying but he was just totally hopeless and it really frustrated me. I was never able to hold in the frustration and I always felt horrible for being a nag and just thought I was a really uptight person. Now with my current partner I never nag and it's not because I've had a personality transplant, it's because he's a fully functioning adult who does things properly without having to be told. I was with my ex for 4 years and I despair when I think back on all that time I spent babying him!

Daydreamsinglorioustechnicolor · 07/01/2021 23:15

@DParse

Thinking about your update, OP. Why would anyone, ever, have a meal with the TV on in the background? You and your partner set up a problem there which didn't need to exist at all.

TV should only be switched on when someone wants to watch something specfic, and and then switched off again. It should never, ever, be on at meal times.

Are there any other points of conflict that could be removed in the same way?

That's us told!
MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 23:20

@NoSquirrels I have actually never heard of strategic incompetence but that is really interesting and does seem to fit in a way.
I’m not sure he could be consciously devious like that, but I also would never have expected the dog incident before it happened, especially after banging on throughout my pregnancy about introducing them carefully and positive associations and yada yada.

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Figgyboa · 07/01/2021 23:21

@MoanerLisa2021

Sorry this response is lonnnnng, kept checking back and finding new things to mention.

Just read my post through again and omg I can totally see why some of you think I’m a ‘Reversy Percy’! This term is genius, but I am actually for real I promise. I honestly had no idea “Thoughts?” could incite so much fury- sorry about that 😳

OK those of you saying “of course you can help it”- you are obviously right. I know I can physically help it. I just don’t know why I don’t choose to stop myself, then. It really feels like a reflex reaction a lot of the time, but maybe somewhere in my thought process I don’t actually want to hold back? (By the way @AnneLovesGilbert I love your username- hands down the best love story of all time!)

A few of you have asked whether I am like this with anyone else: definitely not. I get irritated by small things when I am with anyone for a long period of time, but with other people I rarely give voice to it. With my DP it’s an incessant stream of consciousness.

He definitely does his fair share around the house, especially given the fact that he works full time (from home) and I’m still on maternity leave. We kind of have different jobs that we tend to do all the time. The problem is that he just doesn’t have the same standards as I do- so for example when he empties the bin he doesn’t wipe it out or wipe the lid, even if there are obvious bits of food and grossness on/in it. He also lets it get really full so that the underside of the lid is extra disgusting. The clear answer here is “well empty the bin your bloody self, then”, but if everything is to be done thoroughly and his standards are that much lower than mine, then wouldn’t I end up doing everything myself? And I guess this leads to “lower your bloody standards, then!”.

He does all the cooking in the evenings and I do all the washing up and wiping down. I usually only moan when he has done the cleaning up and just neglected to do the hob, or when he’s cooked something just for himself. When he washes up he does it at lightning speed and invariably leaves some things with dirt on, and afterwards all round the sink will be swimming in soapy water. I guess it’s silly to be bothered by this? I should add that sometimes he cooks and then to be nice washes up quickly before I can get to it. I obviously try not to moan in this case!

Here are some examples of things I nag or moan about from across the spectrum. All of these have been mentioned more than once. I’m going to try and demonstrate where possible that I can see both sides. Anyone who gets twitchy over excessive use of brackets should probably look away now, if you haven’t already!

When he lets the dogs in from outside and their paws are wet or muddy and he doesn’t dry them off, just sends them straight to their beds. Their beds get wet and/or muddy, end up smelly, and need washing sooner (by me- he never takes the initiative to do every-now-and-again things like washing dog beds or descaling the kettle).

When he’s reading a story to the baby and adds swear words in because he finds it funny (“fuck off, Bernard”). I found it funny too when she was tiny, but now she’s older and getting closer to talking I’ve said (sort of smilingly at first) that he should probably stop - and he agreed. Several more times of doing it and me mentioning it and it became a nag: “I’ve told you we shouldn’t really be swearing in front of her now!”. (Hmm, my conscience says, at least he reads the baby a story. And maybe I’m being a bit ridiculous worrying about this at 9 months?)

Putting drinks cans and plastic water bottles in normal bins around the house (waste paper basket kind of things) instead of the recycling bin in the kitchen, and the cans sometimes having a bit of residual drink in the bottom which tips everywhere when I empty said bins. (Is recycling a matter of opinion and if it matters so much to me and not him then should I go round and collect it?)

Beer bottle caps in the utensil drawer because this is where the bottle opener lives, so many that the drawer could hardly fit the stuff that was meant to be in it. He has finally stopped doing this but it took me getting really annoyed about it and clearing them all out.

Promising me he will try harder to stick to set working hours each week and take a regular lunch break (because I’ve told him I’m lonely and find it hard being with the baby all the time and no adult company) and then continuing to work long hours and not take breaks, coming downstairs yet again at 5:30-6pm (having started at 7:30am) with a breathless “sorreeee, what can I do?”. (He is earning money for us as a family and wants to do a good job)

Ignoring my requests to be careful with interactions between the baby and our slightly reactive dog, to the point that messing about he danced the baby right into the dog, the dog growled a warning twice, and I had to say “the dog is growling, stop!”. He did really apologise when he saw how upset I was about this, but at first he was like “it’s fine, you being nervous will just make the dog nervous and more likely to react”.

And then there’s just loads of little things like “use that antibacterial spray to clean her highchair instead of a baby wipe”, “she’s refusing it because you’re feeding her too quickly; let her finish that bit first”, “I’ve asked you not to put wet dirty cloths in with the dry clean ones”, “don’t you think it’s really unhealthy to drink this many fizzy drinks?”, “you’ve bought the wrong x, why would you do that when I clearly explained y or z?”. I do honestly sound like his mother at times. I just seem to have so many specific ways I want things done and find it hard to stand by and see them not done that way. Am I a control freak? I absolutely know that this isn’t something I want to model to my daughter but how do I stop caring so much about these things?!

Mental load is something I’ve discussed with him before and I definitely carry all of that with the baby. I am a huge worrier and find trying to do the best for her quite overwhelming at times. I had a lot of emotional meltdowns in the first few months and still find that my head is buzzing with questions over it all! But then I’m on maternity leave so it’s my job to bear the mental load isn’t it?

He definitely doesn’t not do things in a kind of ‘fuck it, she’ll do it’ way. He just doesn’t need things to be a certain way and either forgets or doesn’t think. Other than moaning at him he has mentioned two things I do that annoy him (one of them being leaving shoes by the front door as it happens!) and I have stopped doing both of them.

Oh Jesus. I really am a nightmare aren’t I? If you’re still reading I think I love you.

Yes, yes you are! I can see your point on a couple of issues - swearing and possibly dog but questioning him on drinking fizzy drinks, what's that to do with you? Having a lunch break because you are lonely? It sounds like you're controlling, everything has to be done/exact to your standard.
rumandbiscuits · 07/01/2021 23:22

Do you think this could be a control thing op? I only ask because I can be the same with my OH and like you am actively trying to stop moaning at him but recently I've been talking to a friend about my triggers for my anxiety and low mood and mentioned I always get very anxious or depressed when I have a big change in my life (positive or negative) I just don't deal with a change to my routine well at all. She suggested that maybe it could be a lack of control that causes it and it clicked I am someone who always needs to have control in some way (not in an abusive way may I add). I'm not saying my OH not cleaning the stove after he's used it causes me anxiety or depression but that's just a very small element to the control I feel I need. Not sure I'm making sense I hope I am and haven't just made myself sound like an absolute twat! I am working on my 'issues' and looking at why I feel I need this control in my life.

ConquestEmpireHungerPlague · 08/01/2021 00:34

You want my thoughts?

I think you have a 9-month-old baby and you're busy and tired. I think you think your sex drive isn't all it should be because that's what he tells you. I think he's not pulling his weight and he knows it, and he tells you you're a nag so he doesn't have to address the fact that he's letting you down on a daily basis. I think you shouldn't have to choose between being called a nag, doing everything yourself or lowering your not unreasonable standards. I think anyone who adds swearwords into a 9mo baby's books is a scumbag and that taunting the dog with the baby until the dog is growling is a tragedy waiting to happen. And I think it's utterly depressing how many women on this thread are telling you to modify your behaviour lest you lose this excuse for a man. He needs to grow up.

gradualdecline · 08/01/2021 02:36

He sounds like an actual fucking moron op.

And this

I guess the fact that he does any housework at all is a million times better than other guys I’ve either been with or seen friends with

Are you kidding me. Raise your bar. You don't need a vagina to do housework.

Sinful8 · 08/01/2021 02:42

@Snog

Try two ticks and a wish Eg that was a delicious meal you made and thanks for trying a new recipe, if I had a wish I'd say that I'd also love if you could wipe the kitchen surfaces after you cook.
Do you not judge people who use "tricks" like this and the "shit sandwich" as being a little, dim?

Like the only reason I could see you ever doing it is because you go "oh yes that would certainly work on me, always blinded by flattery!"

Sinful8 · 08/01/2021 02:45

@DParse

Thinking about your update, OP. Why would anyone, ever, have a meal with the TV on in the background? You and your partner set up a problem there which didn't need to exist at all.

TV should only be switched on when someone wants to watch something specfic, and and then switched off again. It should never, ever, be on at meal times.

Are there any other points of conflict that could be removed in the same way?

ConfusedHmm
Sinful8 · 08/01/2021 03:02

Wait, are we meant to clean the hob every single use?

I think I do mine about once a week?

Gas and stainless though maybe different if electric?

gradualdecline · 08/01/2021 03:29

@Sinful8

Wait, are we meant to clean the hob every single use?

I think I do mine about once a week?

Gas and stainless though maybe different if electric?

That's a bit gross yeah.
Sinful8 · 08/01/2021 03:39

But its the one place my hands, mouth or food never touch?

Its where I keep the fire, and throw hobrite at it once a week

Sinful8 · 08/01/2021 03:42

@gradualdecline so do you clean your hob 3 times a day? Or like once after the last meal?

MoanerLisa2021 · 08/01/2021 07:07

@Sinful8 I clean the hob every time it’s got visible splatter on it, so depends what’s been cooked really. He tends to do a lot of frying and vigorous simmering of red and orange sauces so it looks dirty after most evening meals.

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gannett · 08/01/2021 08:20

I don't feel the need to clean the (gas, stainless) hob more than once a week either. Visible splatter or not!

Differing standards are about compromise. I'm the slobbier one in our relationship - over the years I've consciously upped my standards, but DP has certainly lowered his. It sounds like there's room for both of you to do this.

This actually is another thing I’ve mentioned before: he ALWAYS has background noise, either the TV or his phone/ iPad.

Some people do. I once had a housemate who turned the TV on the minute she got in from work. It didn't matter what was on and she didn't even watch it, it was literally just to have background chatter. Drove me up the wall. But then I like to have music playing at all times which might drive others up the wall!

Emeraldshamrock · 08/01/2021 08:25

Wait, are we meant to clean the hob every single use?

I think I do mine about once a week?
You're giving yourself work cleaning hard crispy dried in food weekly.
Even if a plate is left overnight it takes more effort to scrub.
A quick sponge wipe while it is warm after use is really handy.
Stick a few notes up "leave it how you found it"

GingerScallop · 08/01/2021 08:57

It sounds like your partner is your BEC (bitch eating crackers) and the only way to stop this whether you continue with him or not is to unpack why you do it rather than just promise yourself you will stop. May be you like your partner a lot because he is a good person or even love him but you are not in love with him? May be you grew up in an environment of little complimenting so you are used to nitpicking? Are you in a competitive relationship that means you are constantly funding fault to "win". Or is your partner doing things you can't abide and he does them constantly. In which case every time it happens breathe and tell yourself it's not that bad. I think you really need to unpack why you do this. Is it just with him or with others? How is your confidence in general?

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