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The way I speak to my partner: are we doomed?

278 replies

MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 12:16

I know IABVU and I need you lovely straight-talking ladies to sort me the eff out!

I have this really lovely partner of 4 years with innumerable good qualities. Ok he could do a bit better on the beard-hair-all-over-the-sink front, but I know I’ve got a good’un and I’m really really lucky.

So why does every word out of my mouth to him always seem to be a nag or a moan? I can’t seem to help myself, I make up my mind to try really hard not to nag or moan and before I know it it’s out of my mouth and he’s offended or hurt that despite everything good he does, I’m incapable of laying off him for any tiny transgression like not wiping the hob down after he’s splattered food all over it.

He usually weathers the storm and continues to be a little gem until every now and again it gets too much for him and he has a go at me. I get upset and tell him I know I’m a total cow, resolve 100% to do better. And it lasts for all of like an hour.

What’s wrong with me? Why can’t I show respect towards a fabulous guy? He definitely questions whether I love him and I really feel like I do love him so much! I couldn’t be without him or with anyone else. To compound the issue, I had a baby 9 months ago and my sex drive is pretty much zero (was also zero in the latter part of pregnancy and tbh I wasn’t exactly gagging for it before that).

We do live 3 hours from my family and 2 hours from his, in an unfamiliar area after returning from overseas so neither of us has any friends nearby. But that sounds like an excuse and I shouldn’t be making excuses.

Thoughts? puts on helmet and prepares for the worst

OP posts:
Robbybobtail · 07/01/2021 16:19

Try two ticks and a wish

Who are you, fucking Tinkerbell? Grin

IdblowJonSnow · 07/01/2021 16:22

Not rtft but maybe he's a lazy git?
It's ok to not want to live in a messy, dirty house and not want to do it all yourself.
I hate the word nag.
Living with someone and having a baby is very knackering and unglamorous hence why you probably don't want to shag him.

Juno231 · 07/01/2021 16:22

Sounds like you're carrying the mental load and getting sick of it? It's only nagging because he won't actually be an adult and do things properly...

sotiredofthislonelylife · 07/01/2021 16:23

@Robbybobtail

Try two ticks and a wish

Who are you, fucking Tinkerbell? Grin

🤣🤣🤣
Lucieintheskye · 07/01/2021 16:27

Absolutely do not do the 2 ticks and a wish thing, it'll make him get used to a battering after a compliment and can do serious damage!

It sounds like you're stuck in a rut, try to spice it up, spend time alone together. Intimacy doesn't always mean sex, it can mean spending quality time together as a couple, not as parents.

Do something nice for him like cook his favourite meal or put on his favourite film and make the evening a fresh start, apologise for the way you've been snapping at him and make a plan to work together. He may be able to gently remind you to not be mean, and there may be something he can do to not necessitate the mean comments!

It's likely that you've gone from being a sleep deprived parent-to-a-newborn and now you're struggling to get out of the leniency that allows you. It's complely normal to go through phases like this and you can work on it together. It definitely sounds as though you're both able to discuss it after the fact, so maybe try to preempt it now.

If the comments are about things he does often e.g. not cleaning up after himself in the kitchen, beard hair in the sink (I have a viking myself, I know the struggle) try to make it part of your routines to not leave the kitchen without tidying, and for him to not leave the bathroom without rinsing away the hair. If you find a way to nitpick everything he does, even if it's a one-off, maybe look into meditation or journalling, it could be that you hold resentment, anxious thoughts or you're struggling to get your emotions out and they come out all wrong.

Good luck OP!

Worried234 · 07/01/2021 16:43

@Snog

Try two ticks and a wish Eg that was a delicious meal you made and thanks for trying a new recipe, if I had a wish I'd say that I'd also love if you could wipe the kitchen surfaces after you cook.
The most patronising thing I have ever heard, do people DO this?
1forAll74 · 07/01/2021 16:44

I think quite a lot of women are nitpickers and complainers, I suppose some men too. I have known a few women in my family over the years, who are this way inclined, even when they seem to have a good relationship with the Husband or partner. It's like every little thing will make them over critical, and will eventually cause some arguments.

I don't know why people have this tendency, many reasons I suppose, You just have to learn to hold back, and bite your tongue, and stay calm.

cdtaylornats · 07/01/2021 16:52

My goddaughters handfasting vows included "you know I'm not nagging, I'm simply encouraging you to meet the goals we have set for you".

ancientgran · 07/01/2021 16:57

Have you just got into a rut with it? I hear the same with my exDIL with my GS. I honestly don't know when I last heard her say anything nice to him. Things like if he got all As on a school report her immediate reply to him would be why hasn't he got A*s, never well done or that's great. If he offers to do something nice, say he is going to come round to help me with something her response is what is he getting out of it. I don't know how to raise it with her but I can see how the constant negativity gets him down.

I do think it can be a vicious circle and if you are tired with the baby, lonely without friends and family maybe your safe place to vent is with him? Do you have much fun? It is so hard at the moment so don't be hard on yourself.

ancientgran · 07/01/2021 16:59

My goddaughters handfasting vows included "you know I'm not nagging, I'm simply encouraging you to meet the goals we have set for you". Does it work both ways? I'd resent my husband "encouraging me" to meet the goals we have set for me. I can set my own thanks.

Worried234 · 07/01/2021 17:06

@cdtaylornats

My goddaughters handfasting vows included "you know I'm not nagging, I'm simply encouraging you to meet the goals we have set for you".
Fuck me, was that tongue in cheek??
MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 17:11

Sorry this response is lonnnnng, kept checking back and finding new things to mention.

Just read my post through again and omg I can totally see why some of you think I’m a ‘Reversy Percy’! This term is genius, but I am actually for real I promise. I honestly had no idea “Thoughts?” could incite so much fury- sorry about that 😳

OK those of you saying “of course you can help it”- you are obviously right. I know I can physically help it. I just don’t know why I don’t choose to stop myself, then. It really feels like a reflex reaction a lot of the time, but maybe somewhere in my thought process I don’t actually want to hold back? (By the way @AnneLovesGilbert I love your username- hands down the best love story of all time!)

A few of you have asked whether I am like this with anyone else: definitely not. I get irritated by small things when I am with anyone for a long period of time, but with other people I rarely give voice to it. With my DP it’s an incessant stream of consciousness.

He definitely does his fair share around the house, especially given the fact that he works full time (from home) and I’m still on maternity leave. We kind of have different jobs that we tend to do all the time. The problem is that he just doesn’t have the same standards as I do- so for example when he empties the bin he doesn’t wipe it out or wipe the lid, even if there are obvious bits of food and grossness on/in it. He also lets it get really full so that the underside of the lid is extra disgusting. The clear answer here is “well empty the bin your bloody self, then”, but if everything is to be done thoroughly and his standards are that much lower than mine, then wouldn’t I end up doing everything myself? And I guess this leads to “lower your bloody standards, then!”.

He does all the cooking in the evenings and I do all the washing up and wiping down. I usually only moan when he has done the cleaning up and just neglected to do the hob, or when he’s cooked something just for himself. When he washes up he does it at lightning speed and invariably leaves some things with dirt on, and afterwards all round the sink will be swimming in soapy water. I guess it’s silly to be bothered by this? I should add that sometimes he cooks and then to be nice washes up quickly before I can get to it. I obviously try not to moan in this case!

Here are some examples of things I nag or moan about from across the spectrum. All of these have been mentioned more than once. I’m going to try and demonstrate where possible that I can see both sides. Anyone who gets twitchy over excessive use of brackets should probably look away now, if you haven’t already!

When he lets the dogs in from outside and their paws are wet or muddy and he doesn’t dry them off, just sends them straight to their beds. Their beds get wet and/or muddy, end up smelly, and need washing sooner (by me- he never takes the initiative to do every-now-and-again things like washing dog beds or descaling the kettle).

When he’s reading a story to the baby and adds swear words in because he finds it funny (“fuck off, Bernard”). I found it funny too when she was tiny, but now she’s older and getting closer to talking I’ve said (sort of smilingly at first) that he should probably stop - and he agreed. Several more times of doing it and me mentioning it and it became a nag: “I’ve told you we shouldn’t really be swearing in front of her now!”. (Hmm, my conscience says, at least he reads the baby a story. And maybe I’m being a bit ridiculous worrying about this at 9 months?)

Putting drinks cans and plastic water bottles in normal bins around the house (waste paper basket kind of things) instead of the recycling bin in the kitchen, and the cans sometimes having a bit of residual drink in the bottom which tips everywhere when I empty said bins. (Is recycling a matter of opinion and if it matters so much to me and not him then should I go round and collect it?)

Beer bottle caps in the utensil drawer because this is where the bottle opener lives, so many that the drawer could hardly fit the stuff that was meant to be in it. He has finally stopped doing this but it took me getting really annoyed about it and clearing them all out.

Promising me he will try harder to stick to set working hours each week and take a regular lunch break (because I’ve told him I’m lonely and find it hard being with the baby all the time and no adult company) and then continuing to work long hours and not take breaks, coming downstairs yet again at 5:30-6pm (having started at 7:30am) with a breathless “sorreeee, what can I do?”. (He is earning money for us as a family and wants to do a good job)

Ignoring my requests to be careful with interactions between the baby and our slightly reactive dog, to the point that messing about he danced the baby right into the dog, the dog growled a warning twice, and I had to say “the dog is growling, stop!”. He did really apologise when he saw how upset I was about this, but at first he was like “it’s fine, you being nervous will just make the dog nervous and more likely to react”.

And then there’s just loads of little things like “use that antibacterial spray to clean her highchair instead of a baby wipe”, “she’s refusing it because you’re feeding her too quickly; let her finish that bit first”, “I’ve asked you not to put wet dirty cloths in with the dry clean ones”, “don’t you think it’s really unhealthy to drink this many fizzy drinks?”, “you’ve bought the wrong x, why would you do that when I clearly explained y or z?”. I do honestly sound like his mother at times. I just seem to have so many specific ways I want things done and find it hard to stand by and see them not done that way. Am I a control freak? I absolutely know that this isn’t something I want to model to my daughter but how do I stop caring so much about these things?!

Mental load is something I’ve discussed with him before and I definitely carry all of that with the baby. I am a huge worrier and find trying to do the best for her quite overwhelming at times. I had a lot of emotional meltdowns in the first few months and still find that my head is buzzing with questions over it all! But then I’m on maternity leave so it’s my job to bear the mental load isn’t it?

He definitely doesn’t not do things in a kind of ‘fuck it, she’ll do it’ way. He just doesn’t need things to be a certain way and either forgets or doesn’t think. Other than moaning at him he has mentioned two things I do that annoy him (one of them being leaving shoes by the front door as it happens!) and I have stopped doing both of them.

Oh Jesus. I really am a nightmare aren’t I? If you’re still reading I think I love you.

OP posts:
MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 17:18

@sadie9 that conversation you suggested there is scarily accurate!! I have wondered about mental health but I’m just not sure.

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Lockdownshmockdown · 07/01/2021 17:20

@shittestxmasever

Try two ticks and a wish

Don't do this. Unless you're also his primary school teacher

I thought the same! We do this with children in school. How patronising.
DishedUp · 07/01/2021 17:23

I used to have a BF who I was always nagging. And I used to think, why am I such a nag? But actually the problem was not that I was a nag but he was actually just a total slob.

Everything was made harder because everything was constantly messy. He'd do a half hearted job of washing up, leave shit in the sink, glasses dirty and then to make myself a cup of tea Id have to clean the sink, rewash a mug etc.

All adults are capable of cleaning up after themselves, all adults are capable of doing tasks properly. Its just plain laziness.

toconclude · 07/01/2021 17:23

@cdtaylornats

My goddaughters handfasting vows included "you know I'm not nagging, I'm simply encouraging you to meet the goals we have set for you".
Boak.
MyCatHatesEverybody · 07/01/2021 17:23

I'd be giving him two ticks and a fucking massive bollocking for that dog incident alone...

Jeez you sound mentally exhausted to the point where the genuinely small stuff gets magnified. Any of those things in isolation is nothing. Put them all together and it's super stressful unless you want to live in a shit tip. It's death by a thousand cuts.

MaMaD1990 · 07/01/2021 17:23

Watching this with interest cause I think you're living my life OP lol. I feel your pain, its hard!

Nancydrawn · 07/01/2021 17:24

Some of those things are worth mentioning (e.g. the dog, prob the swearing).

Some of them are things he needs to figure out on his own (e.g. how to have her best feed).

Some of these are really stupid fights to pick (e.g. fizzy drinks; whether he cleans the hob while cooking when you're going to clean the kitchen as part of your labor divide; what wipe you're using for the chair).

He sounds like he's not paying attention, but you do sound quite controlling. It's also bad strategy: the more you go on about everything, large and small, the less he's going to listen to the big things more than the small ones. They'll all blend. So important things, like the reactive dog, will just get wrapped up in the very unimportant ones, like wipes or ginger ale.

MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 17:24

@Maunderingdrunkenly he just blurts out that he’s sick of being told what to do all the time and I clearly have no respect for him, don’t trust him to be able to make adult decisions for himself etc.

Questioning whether I love him normally comes in a calmer conversation later, asking if I’m actually happy and want to be with him because all I ever seem to do is find fault. And then an extension of this is whether I find him attractive because I never seem to want sex. He gets frustrated and says he doesn’t feel like he can ever do enough to make me happy.

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DishedUp · 07/01/2021 17:26

Like leaving hair on the sink, that's laziness not a quirky habit. He can see the hair on the sink, he knows that its got to be cleaned. There's only 2 people in the house gonna clean it. If he doesn't do it, then that means he wants you to do it.

MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 17:37

@DishedUp this is true. The last time he trimmed his beard he even said “I tried my best to clean the hair up so don’t moan if I’ve missed any, it wasn’t on purpose”. I went in and there were quite obvious dark hairs on the white sink, bath and toilet! How that constitutes ‘trying his best’ I don’t know Hmm

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Emeraldshamrock · 07/01/2021 17:39

It happens OP your not alone it doesn't happen without reason I'm a bit of a nag too absolutely hate repeating myself I've got 2 actually DC to boss around I don't need to have to instruct DP too. He is very good if I asked him to sweep the roof he would, it is the asking that pisses me being the family supervisor giving instructions is tiring sex gets pushed away.

MoanerLisa2021 · 07/01/2021 17:41

@Nancydrawn you are spot on about everything blending. This is a good way to look at it.

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Mnusernc · 07/01/2021 17:43

Are you breastfeeding? The hormones are designed to keep you away from your husband