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Capitol Hill and the next 2 weeks (Trump #118)

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Roussette · 07/01/2021 10:52

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RedToothBrush · 09/01/2021 10:10

@buttery81

What I don’t understand is, why didn’t he just accept the election result and hand over to Biden peacefully? Is he not bothered or embarrassed about how undignified he looks on the world stage or how much he’s trashing his legacy and his family name? (Not that he had a great legacy before, but this recent behavior since losing the election has made it a hundred times worse!)

I wonder what his mother and father would’ve made of all this?

Hes up shit creek.

His income is associated with corruption and illegal financial arrangements.

The office of president gave him both an income and legal protection.

He's been investigated for criminal activity prior to 2016 but that was put on hold as he was president. He's massively in debt but because he was president no one could come after him.

On January 20th they can.

He's fucked and he knows it.

He's said himself to people he's got so used to the lifestyle and fame of president he doesn't know how he can go back to life as it was before.

Hence the clinging on for dear life.

He has a long long way to fall.

Wheresthebeach · 09/01/2021 10:13

@Roussette

buttery because he's a narcissist in the most powerful position in the world, because he has a paper thin ego, because he had a damaged childhood (his neice tells us all about it), because he loved the prestige and hated the job, but mostly because of $$$$. He has creamed millions off the american people during his presidency, as has his kids
Nice summary. He has the ability and will to start a civil war. The video of him at a party, watching the mobs storming the capital is chilling. I fear he wants enough violence to justify a State of Emergency.
littlebillie · 09/01/2021 10:15

@MarshaBradyo

Unfortunately Parlor will use the opportunity to gain ground

Just heard spokesperson saying they won’t stop free speech

Twitter is established but other platforms can capitalise on it sadly

Parler will be removed from Android and Apple for hate speech and new platforms will be subject to this guidance.

They will still available on internet but the IP addresses will be traceable so less secure for those spouting hate.

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/01/2021 10:16

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Arobase · 09/01/2021 10:16

'Some prominent right-wing figures have tried to push the conspiracy of Antifa involvement in the Trump mob, but the feds say there's no evidence for that.'

How do the right-wingers reconcile this one with Trump telling the member of the mob that he loved them?

buttery81 · 09/01/2021 10:20

His parents were a disgrace themselves, they created the pathologies we have all witnessed in plain sight these last 4 years.

@BlueCatRedCat interesting. I thought they were hardworking immigrants who built up a fortune (his mother was Scottish wasn’t she, which means Trump is actually half British - dear god!)

I haven’t followed Mary as I assumed that she was just a relative trying to make a few quid by airing the family’s dirty laundry so to speak, a bit like Meghan Markle’s half sister. Is that an unfair assumption and does she have some good insights?

MarshaBradyo · 09/01/2021 10:21

Littlebillie that’s very good to hear thanks

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littlebillie · 09/01/2021 10:29

Just reading the impeachment will happen, he has so much to lose. He is basically scored off as a president no pension, state funeral, honorary anything and a pariah in the US.

MAGA will become equal to domestic terrorism organisations.

I imagine Fox is sweating this morning as advertising is withdrawing.

Sean Hannity lost his lifetime Olive Garden pasta pass.

buttery81 · 09/01/2021 10:30

@Cacacoisfarraige interesting information, thanks. I will have to check out Mary’s book some time.

I’ve just been reading this - another interesting insight:

When Barbara Walters asked Trump in 1987 whether he would like to be appointed president of the United States, rather than having to run for the job, Trump said no: “It’s the hunt that I believe I love.”

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/

scrappydappydoo · 09/01/2021 10:32

Been lurking away on these threads in a mix of horror and amazement that it has got to this point.
I’m kind of expecting some form of ‘health crisis’ from Trump this weekend - something that he hopes will give him sympathy but then he can miraculously recover from because he’s not weak Hmm maybe a suspected heart attack which turns out to be nothing on Jan 20th?

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RedToothBrush · 09/01/2021 10:33

Brian Klaas @brianklaas
Dear Trump supporters whining that Trump's ban was "totalitarian":

In actual authoritarianism, private companies cannot ban the president from anything. If the CEO of a company in Turkmenistan or North Korea even publicly insulted the dictator, they would be tortured and killed

There are issues worth debating over the ban, but it's not some First Amendment issue. Twitter is a private company that, yes, should be more heavily regulated. But it's a reflection of the free market that the company can decide who is - or is not - allowed to be on the platform

buttery81 · 09/01/2021 10:36

I’m kind of expecting some form of ‘health crisis’ from Trump this weekend - something that he hopes will give him sympathy but then he can miraculously recover from because he’s not weak

That sounds likely.

Roussette · 09/01/2021 10:37

Trump's father was arrested for taking part in a KKK March. Both him and Donald were prosecuted for deliberately stopping black Americans renting or buying their properties.
Trump tried to make out he was given a small amount by his Dad and he built on that forture. He was given millions and went bankrupt six times.

Anyone (Donald) who alters his voice and calls himself John Barron, a financial CEO of Trump Org, and rings Forbes in the 80s to try and get himself further up the list as the richest man, is batshit crazy and is a conman.
(There is audio footage out there of this, it is sooooo him!)

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piddocktrumperiness · 09/01/2021 10:39

Do you think he'll play the insanity card?He's got many cases against him and I worry that he'll cop out and not face his actions.

minou123 · 09/01/2021 10:39

@scrappydappydoo

Been lurking away on these threads in a mix of horror and amazement that it has got to this point. I’m kind of expecting some form of ‘health crisis’ from Trump this weekend - something that he hopes will give him sympathy but then he can miraculously recover from because he’s not weak Hmm maybe a suspected heart attack which turns out to be nothing on Jan 20th?
Good shout.

Yes, he will think some sort of short term illness will invoke sympathy.

Let's watch and see.

BruceAndNosh · 09/01/2021 10:42

The video of him at a party, watching the mobs storming the capital is chilling

Again, that video of Trump and family watching TV screens in a tent or marquee was filmed during the PRE riot rally. While it's entirely possibly they did watch subsequent events unfold also, that it not what the Trump Jr video shows.
This "watching with glee as Capitol is stormed" story of the video has been widely shared, but is not accurate.
Trump and his hideous family have done plenty of terrible things, there is no need to invent more.

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Mittens030869 · 09/01/2021 10:44

I’m kind of expecting some form of ‘health crisis’ from Trump this weekend - something that he hopes will give him sympathy but then he can miraculously recover from because he’s not weak

That sounds likely.

Too bad for him that he can't pretend that he has COVID. He's already had it (supposedly).

dreamingbohemian · 09/01/2021 10:47

Until liberal democracies remember what principles liberal democracy is founded on they are going to have problems.

Let's see, what were some of the principles and 'truths' that liberal democracy was founded on?

Black Africans were property and could be tortured and worked to death
Women had no political or civil rights
Only wealthy white men had full voting rights and political power
Indigenous people everywhere could be slaughtered and colonised

Those are also the roots of liberal democracy. Those beliefs have never fully disappeared -- indeed, this is the world that all those Trumpists want to maintain. At heart, what they are fighting for is the ongoing dominance of white men over everyone else.

So I would rather say, until we all acknowledge the historical reality of liberal democracy and its ongoing legacy, we will have problems.

hoteltango · 09/01/2021 10:50

The kindle version of Mary Trump's book is 99p on Amazon at the moment.

BlueCatRedCat · 09/01/2021 10:51

buttery81 . Trump's father, Frank, was not an immigrant. Frank's father, Donald's grandfather, was a German draft dodger (runs in the family), who made a moderate fortune running brothels, beer houses. Frank inherited that fortune and invested it in slum housing in Queens. He was a racist and a psychopath, who treated his tenants appallingly, and had a policy against letting to African Americans, which resulted in court action against him. Donald's mother, Mary senior, was a Scottish immigrant who worked briefly as a maid or similar before meeting Frank, and basically marrying into money. So neither of them were self made, as such. Much of the money they made through their slum housing empire actually came in the form of the tax payer's dollar - they exploited government grant after government grant for housing developments, and ploughed it into their own bank accounts rather than into the housing.

I think your assessment of Mary is unfair. She is the daughter of Frank Jr, who was the heir apparent. Frank was, by her account, handsome, charasmatic, kind and loved by his friends - everything Donald is not. Frank was not interested in the family business, he wanted to be a pilot, and was a very good one, one of the TWA elite. However, he could never get his father's or mother's approval for this. They basically abandoned Frank Jr and his wife and children in favour of grooming Donald as the new heir. The circumstances of Frank Jr's death from alcoholism, and the cruelty of Frank Sr and Mary Sr in their dealings with Mary and her siblings, is horrible.

Donald was a fair bit younger than Frank Jr, and a problem child. His mother had been hospitalised when he was 2, and his father was largely absent, so Mary's assessment is that he was largely an abandoned child. But following the fall from grace of Frank Jr, he was thrust into poll position as heir apparent (despite having 2 older and smarter sisters - misogynist Frank Sr was not going to pass the family business to them). Donald saw what happened to his brother and knew what he had to do to please his father. And thus, a monster was created.

Donald and the other siblings also allegedly cheated Mary and her brother out of her father, Frank Jr's, fair share of inheritance through dodgy tax returns and assessments of the worth of the family's holdings. This ended up in court proceedings, and it is from those public documents that a New York Times reporter contacted Mary for information about Donald's finances. Off the back of that contact, she then wrote her own memoir of her experience as a Trump.

BlueCatRedCat · 09/01/2021 10:53

Cross posted with lot's of people re the Trump family history! Definitely read or listen to Mary's book, it is fascinating.

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