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Capitol Hill and the next 2 weeks (Trump #118)

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Roussette · 07/01/2021 10:52

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RedToothBrush · 09/01/2021 09:23

@MarshaBradyo

I don’t think it’s to do with usefulness to Twitter waning. But the severity of consequences

But I do agree it would have needed lots of pressure as some at top would have been reluctant

You don't think trump being given a platform by twitter is becoming a liability to them?

Say trump is impeached, what happens then in the subsequent post mortem? Especially if there is more violence in the coming weeks?

Twitter are trying to protect themselves first.

They now, don't believe its credible for Trump to hang on. And they realise in given Trump a privileged platform they are at risk of a political backlash.

Twitter wants to remain unregulated from outside. Its its no1 priority. In terms of both profit and political influence.

MarshaBradyo · 09/01/2021 09:24

Yes of course they are protecting themselves.

BlueCatRedCat · 09/01/2021 09:26

RedToothBrush brilliant post about Twitter. That - let's not forget - private corporation has no vested interest in freedom of speech. They are not a publisher, they are not the press and they are not advocates for freedom of expression, as DestinysDaughter and many others have experienced. People are banned arbitrarily and at the behest of an unaccountable mob of techies determined to manipulate the conversation to their own ends - which has increasingly meant banning women speaking the truth. Trump has posted incredibly inflammatory rhetoric and bare faced lies every day for 4 years. The only reason he is now being silenced is because it's in Twitter's - and no one else's - interests to do so. Twitter is an absolute cesspit.

MarshaBradyo · 09/01/2021 09:27

Any brand can take decisions such as they have.

I picked up on the 300 staff lobbying - I don’t know how reluctant top were but took this as new information

MarshaBradyo · 09/01/2021 09:28

I don’t know why people would expect otherwise?

There’s no reason why Twitter can’t ban anyone they think has transgressed

elprup · 09/01/2021 09:29

The only reason he is now being silenced is because it's in Twitter's - and no one else's - interests to do so. Twitter is an absolute cesspit.

Can someone explain why it’s in Twitter’s interest to ban Trump? I don’t quite get that part! I thought they’d just banned him because of the recent tweets inciting violence (which is against their rules?)

Roussette · 09/01/2021 09:29

NorthWest Yes, he has whitehouse.gov as his platform.

The next week and a half are going to be very interesting indeed. Can they stop him giving a press briefing? Yes, they are filing for impeachment on Monday but the wheels move slow, how are they going to restrain him?

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elprup · 09/01/2021 09:30

Surely it’s actually not in their interest to ban him, because presumably he brings (brought) huge traffic to their site?

MarshaBradyo · 09/01/2021 09:31

It is in their interest as he’s pretty toxic right now

And brands draw limits to their associations all the time

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 09/01/2021 09:32

And Donnie Jr has been banned too?

Roussette · 09/01/2021 09:34

No Don Jr hasn't been banned. But he is raging.

He's set up this site with huge banners about censorship.

donjr.com/

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 09/01/2021 09:35

Impeachment process going forward.
From Washington Post:

On the cusp of the second impeachment battle in just over a year, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is circulating a memo to Republican senators that outlines how a potential Senate trial would work for President Trump — proceedings that would all but certainly occur after he leaves the White House.


In the memo, obtained by The Washington Post, McConnell’s office notes that the Senate will not reconvene for substantive business until Jan. 19, which means the earliest possible date that impeachment trial proceedings can begin in the Senate is the day before President-elect Joe Biden is inaugurated.


Although the Senate will hold two pro forma sessions next week, on Jan. 12 and Jan. 15, it is barred from conducting any kind of business during those days — including “beginning to act on received articles of impeachment from the House” — without agreement from all 100 senators. With a cadre of Trump-allied senators in the Republican conference, that unanimous consent is highly unlikely.
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Again, it would require the consent of all 100 Senators to conduct any business of any kind during the scheduled pro forma sessions prior to January 19, and therefore the consent of all 100 Senators to begin acting on any articles of impeachment during those sessions,” the memo from McConnell emphasized.


In effect, that makes the matter of an impeachment trial an issue that will need to be taken up by Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the incoming majority leader, in the first days of the Biden presidency — a move that would almost certainly distract from the president-elect’s immediate agenda to battle the coronavirus pandemic and ensure that his Cabinet nominees get confirmed.

McConnell and Schumer have not spoken about any impeachment proceedings, aides said.


Absent a unanimous agreement before Jan. 19 to formally begin acting on any articles of impeachment, the McConnell memo outlines an expected scenario should the House impeach Trump in the coming days:

●On Jan. 19, the Senate would receive a message from the House that it has appointed impeachment managers, and that the Senate would be ready to receive it.

●On Jan. 19 or 20, the House impeachment managers would exhibit the articles.

●On Jan. 20 or 21, the Senate would proceed to consideration of the impeachment articles at 1 p.m., and officially begin the trial. McConnell’s memo noted that the “Senate trial would therefore begin after President Trump’s term has expired — either one hour after its expiration on January 20, or twenty-five hours after its expiration on January 21.”


There is also a question of who exactly would preside over a trial of a former president. Senate impeachment rules require Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. preside over a trial of a sitting president, but whether he would have to once Trump is no longer president is “unclear,” the memo said.


Roussette · 09/01/2021 09:36

And it says this...
“Turning the tables on Joe Biden, exposing his radical associations and his family’s self-dealing, Don Trump Jr. provides searing insights and critical information for Americans who still believe we deserve a leader who puts America first.”

With a list of Senators and congressman and others at the bottom, including Matt Gaetz and Rand Paul

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Igotjelly · 09/01/2021 09:38

I always feel much better after a post fromredtoothbrush she always comes across as so knowledgeable and level headed. I remember the same on all the Brexit threads.

buttery81 · 09/01/2021 09:38

As much as I dislike Trump and his policies, I admit that I am fascinated by him as an individual. I just cannot fathom what he must be like or what drives him to behave in such an insane way!

buttery81 · 09/01/2021 09:43

What I don’t understand is, why didn’t he just accept the election result and hand over to Biden peacefully? Is he not bothered or embarrassed about how undignified he looks on the world stage or how much he’s trashing his legacy and his family name? (Not that he had a great legacy before, but this recent behavior since losing the election has made it a hundred times worse!)

I wonder what his mother and father would’ve made of all this?

TheNorthWestPawsage · 09/01/2021 09:49

a lot of teenagers on tiktok are noting that congresspeople, after fearing for their lives and sheltering in place, now know what it feels like to be a student in our public schools.
twitter.com/alice_wilder/status/1347284749962928130?s=21

Capitol Hill and the next 2 weeks (Trump #118)
BlueCatRedCat · 09/01/2021 09:59

buttery81I too find him fascinating, and have done since I saw him featured on a Wicker's World episode back in the 1980s. Have you followed Mary Trump over the last 18 months? Her insights into the Trump clan dynamics, as his niece and as a psychologist, are fascinating, and she predicted a long time ago that he would drag America through hell before he left office. He is not programmed to fail or to deal with failure. Every one of his business failures has somehow been dressed up as a success story, with his family, business associates and international banks inexplicably aiding and abetting this lie. Literally everything he has touched has turned to shit. The only time he had any sort of success was when he was married to Ivana, she was the real brains of the operation. His parents were a disgrace themselves, they created the pathologies we have all witnessed in plain sight these last 4 years.

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/01/2021 10:01

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Wheresthebeach · 09/01/2021 10:01

The more information that surfaces about the planning of violence via social media the more social media companies will be held accountable. Twitter is trying to save themselves. I’m glad they’ve banned him but it should have been done when he continued to make false claims about the election.
Now he’s ramping up the ‘communist’ rhetoric to continue to incite. Dangerous times.

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/01/2021 10:02

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Roussette · 09/01/2021 10:02

buttery because he's a narcissist in the most powerful position in the world, because he has a paper thin ego, because he had a damaged childhood (his neice tells us all about it), because he loved the prestige and hated the job, but mostly because of $$$$. He has creamed millions off the american people during his presidency, as has his kids

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RedToothBrush · 09/01/2021 10:04

People are banned arbitrarily and at the behest of an unaccountable mob of techies determined to manipulate the conversation to their own ends - which has increasingly meant banning women speaking the truth.

Indeed.

Twitter are not remotely interested in reality or the ability to speak the truth to power.

Twitter is about belief and opinion over traditional news outlets and professional journalism. Its their business model.

That's not to say traditional journalism isn't represented on the site (its what i use it for - a news feed) but its about trying to give equal weight to the influence of opinion alone. Its why we've got into such a mess politically.

The smooth functioning of liberal democracy rests on the recognition of material reality (the truth), the ability to speak the truth to power and for power to be accountable to the people. Material reality is the greatest power of the public.

Destruction of evidence is the first thing authoritarians and their regimes try to do.

Twitter destroys the ability of many to recognise material reality (fake news) by giving equal footing to opinion and evidence based journalism. It prevents people from speaking about material reality if it doesn't align with twitters internal policy and beliefs. It does not wish for people to speak the truth to power because it itself has a power which it does not want investigating.

The traditional news media has had to shift away from journalism to opinionism and sensationalism to match this and compete with it - clickbait generates more revenue and is expensive as anyone can have an opinion but news journalism requires employing people to find the material reality in a story. And that's weakened its ability further to compete with twitter by undermining its credibility.

Any independent oversight on twitter and the spread of disinformation and unfair bannings would result in twitter being set back and having to defend itself against material reality in courts.

Until liberal democracies remember what principles liberal democracy is founded on they are going to have problems.

The Democrats have hitched their wagon to the culture war where opinion and belief is more important than material reality in a number of ways. Perhaps not as much as the Republicans but it means in trying to be the champions of liberal democracy they do so from a foundation which is built on sand.

Its a problem which is going to haunt them as there is no end in sight to the culture war.

The culture war does not allow for critical self examination (reminding of material realities) it forceably denies it by creating a 'them and us culture' with 'correct and incorrect values' (aka authoritarianism).

The saddest thing is that many Democrats are authoritarians not liberals. They just profess they are. If you read quotes from the likes of Jefferson and Washington on the truth and on tyranny its very jarring from where we are now and what twitter enables and represents.

The first victim of authoritarianism is the truth.

Without a massive push to remind people of this, then liberal democracy is in dire straits.

Ousting Trump from office doesn't solve the problem. It just takes on a different manifestation. And leaves liberal democracy vulnerable.

MarshaBradyo · 09/01/2021 10:05

Unfortunately Parlor will use the opportunity to gain ground

Just heard spokesperson saying they won’t stop free speech

Twitter is established but other platforms can capitalise on it sadly

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