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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

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looseddaughter · 03/01/2021 15:16

Wow- this has been so helpful and there's so much to look over and think about. I'm so glad I posted - MN at its best here!

I think too much screen over the holiday hasn't helped and we've decided on a 3 'til tea rule which I think will help. He definitely has a lot of interests so that isn't really the problem but more his perfectionism I think, which leads to him just giving up on things. I'm going to be stricter on the music practice but also open to the idea of him giving it up after this term, which , to be fair, I have said all along and he always says no. I think he enjoys the sessions at school and wants to keep it on for that, which is fine with me.

I've offered to pay for more cricket coaching and he said no. To be honest, cricket is his dad's sport (not that he's amazing at it...) and there's something emotional going on there I think, but I'm not sure. No doubt ds loves it and loves watching it too, unlike his team mates, who actually mainly find it boring to watch! I emailed ex after ds's disastrous games last year as I'm so out of my depth with sport and just didn't know what to say how to handle it, but ex refuses to discuss anything with me at all which is a shame. I feel like strangers on the internet have put more time and thought into ds today than his own father has... Anyway, I feel like he could do more training with ds as the other dads seem to, but he doesn't - same as the music. I can throw money at it to an extent but I wish his dad would step up. Ex is involved in the club as a coach since ds started but I feel like his own son needed him more rather than him taking on coaching. Oh well.

I think ds needs time and a bit of encouragement/mind-set change on the hobbies he already has rather than new ones and there are great suggestions for both here. He loves drama and was in a club until about 8 then gave up. However, drama lessons at school have reignited that and he has said he'd love to join a club after lockdown so will definitely do that. And one talent he certainly has is accents and mimicking - he's brilliant at those. Whoever linked to the junior lawyers club - thank you so much! He has talked about law as a career (I know he's young, but it came from him) and I showed him the site and he was really enthusiastic. They used to have a debate club at school which he loved so I've signed him up for the online lawyer thing and he's excited - looks perfect for him.

He needs little encouragement from me with his history and politics and has read up on both. Re researching the history of the Labour party, that's something he has done and he read Citizen Clem last year. He's no Corbynista and made up a version of Imagine by John Lennon which imagined 'all the centrists in their own part-ee....' and in which he admitted 'you may say I'm a Blairite, and I am the only one...' so he's well away there!

Anyway, this has been enormously helpful and I'm definitely going to look into a lot of the links, especially the growth mindset stuff. Thanks Thanks

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Iamblossom · 03/01/2021 15:16

I have dses, 16 and 14.

My advice would be to not get caught out by thinking all other kids of their ages have all these hobbies and talents and most of their time is taken up in pursuing them and not on screens.

DS1 is a natural fidget bum, and gets bored after an hour or 2 of screens of any kind and will then take himself off to walk the dog, go in his father's gym, go to the skatepark or play football. I encourage but do not force and this is his natural inclination. My challenge with him to getting him to prioritise revision in amongst all this...

DS2 is completely different. Used to be a total book worm, but now will happily play on his ps4 for hours with friends, chatting away and laughing. I make him walk our other dog if he is looking like not getting any other fresh air or exercise, which he does... He will 2 or 3 days a week walk into town to meet one other friend to hang out with for a few hours outside. School home learning with him however is a doddle, gets it all done without me even having to ask.

I have over the years introduced them to beavers, cubs, guitar and trumpet lessons respectively, football, swimming lessons, triathlons, DofE, boxercise, gymnastics.... The list is endless. Some of it they did for ages, others were a passing phase. They both seem happy, content, and are able to amuse themselves. Long may that last.

I guess my point is he shouldn't feel he HAS to have found his talents and things he enjoys at such a tender age, don't feel under so much pressure to have understood yourself so young, or found what you like. And don't think everyone else has, because it's simply not true.

Iamblossom · 03/01/2021 15:18

And yes drama, DS2 loves it , did stagecoach for a bit and now does a different theatre group, when it's open, great thing for them to get into, can open loads of doors.

OrangeSlices998 · 03/01/2021 15:25

My brother was like this growing up and he got to try out anything and everything give up at the first hurdle. I haven’t RTFT but surely there’s an element here of not giving in to his whim to give up after 3 weeks and want to do something else but instead encourage him to see a hobby/activity through? Rather than just letting him flit about while you pay for this and that! Agree a time limit, ie a school term of trying X (whatever that is) before you reassess how it’s gone?

springdale1 · 03/01/2021 15:28

Definitely recommend joining some sort of archaeology club - I am in my late 20s now but seemed to have the same interests as he does when I was younger. Would be consider volunteering for somewhere like the National Trust? They do volunteer summer programmes for teens his age.

Before I had my daughter I was a Land Agent which involves managing country estates and National Trust properties. It’s a wonderful job that allows you to be outside in the countryside and look after these wonderful heritage properties but involves a lot of legal work too. You get to see ‘behind the rope’ and I used to love going to the archives to find old legal documents signed by Beatrix Potter. I know the National Trust take on volunteers to help out with things like this. It isn’t a job I’d ever heard of when I was 13 but wish somebody had told me about it!

Sostenueto · 03/01/2021 15:29

Omg! Music is a gift not to be foisted upon a child just for the sake of having a hobby. He's either into music or not. It not something to be forced!

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 15:34

Well he is into the clarinet, he’s the one who chooses to keep going with it. All children should have access to a musical education.

I’d be quite firm with him that I’m very supportive of him doing it, but if he’s going to do it he needs to commit to practice 30 mins every day or it’s not worth spending the money on.

Sostenueto · 03/01/2021 15:43

Why does a child have to be constantly busy doing something? Why cannot a child just be instead if having to be doing all the time? Reading some of these posts makes me feel sorry for kids that are constantly being kept busy doing this that and the other then they wonder why their children are stressy and suffer from mental health conditions and no it's not ADHD having had a child with that. Or as they called it in the old days hyperactivity syndrome. He's suffering from stress as plain as the nose on your face and high expectations all the time! No he doesn't have to finish painting his models. No he doesn't have to finish anything if he dies not want to. So he gives up if it gets hard. That's lack of self esteem and undue pressure to complete something for the sake of completing it and not for enjoyment which a hobby or pastime should be about. So his father's a musician I'm a musician and neither of my children were interested in it. They didn't HAVE to be. When left to their own choice they found what THEY were interested in. Just let the poor child have some chill fun time without any expectations at all! The most creative moments are when there us peace and relaxation.

murbblurb · 03/01/2021 16:15

haven't read every last post, but one or two things jump out:

  • he sounds really clever and very good at stuff. That can mean that it is harder to accept when something doesn't come easily or someone else is better, simply because it hasn't happened too often. That doesn't take away that he is smart, and good for him.
  • there is more to sport than sodding competitive things involving balls or running races. Unfortunately these are the ones that get offered at school, partly for logistical reasons. Please don't let him be pigeonholed as 'useless at sport/fitness' because he can't play ball games. There's more out there.

Sounds like me at school, I never had hobbies and wasn't really that sociable outside school. Didn't do any harm. School is exhausting (as is the current situation) so do whatever it takes to get through.

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 16:32

@Sostenueto

I don’t think children do have to be constantly kept busy. I think children do way too much these days.

But the general tendency now is that if they’re not doing something productive they will be throwing away hours of their life gaming.

OP has made it very clear that it’s her son who wants to continue with the clarinet.

There’s a balance between allowing kids give up things up if it’s not their thing but supporting them to stick at some things long enough to get something out of it. Just allowing kids to pick things up and put them down at whim doesn’t help anyone and can be expensive.

MrsMiaWallis · 03/01/2021 16:40

@Sostenueto

Why does a child have to be constantly busy doing something? Why cannot a child just be instead if having to be doing all the time? Reading some of these posts makes me feel sorry for kids that are constantly being kept busy doing this that and the other then they wonder why their children are stressy and suffer from mental health conditions and no it's not ADHD having had a child with that. Or as they called it in the old days hyperactivity syndrome. He's suffering from stress as plain as the nose on your face and high expectations all the time! No he doesn't have to finish painting his models. No he doesn't have to finish anything if he dies not want to. So he gives up if it gets hard. That's lack of self esteem and undue pressure to complete something for the sake of completing it and not for enjoyment which a hobby or pastime should be about. So his father's a musician I'm a musician and neither of my children were interested in it. They didn't HAVE to be. When left to their own choice they found what THEY were interested in. Just let the poor child have some chill fun time without any expectations at all! The most creative moments are when there us peace and relaxation.
I tend to agree with this.
Sostenueto · 03/01/2021 16:43

Let the child find out themselves what they like and find pleasure in. I think parents want to take their children here there and everywhere maybe doing several things they wish they had done. Let your children breathe for goodness sake! Instead if going here there and everywhere try interacting with your children actually talking to them without yr phones social media tv pay them attention listen to their worries and troubles allow them the space and time to communicate back to you. Stop demanding they be thus that or other type of child. Let them be themselves not carbon copies of yourselves. Let them be individual even different. And stop labelling them. Oh Johnny does this or that that isn't normal he must have ADHD or some other condition. Each child is an individual. Let them develop and grow as a person at their own pace!

mathanxiety · 03/01/2021 17:53

There's a misplaced belief here that hours spent gaming are hours wasted.

I personally know two students who have been granted very helpful scholarships to American universities for eSports.

www.nbcnews.com/tech/video-games/high-school-gamers-are-scoring-college-scholarships-can-esports-make-n1056671

mylaptopismylapdog · 03/01/2021 18:07

Would he be open to doing some of the cooking? If he is likely to go to higher education arriving at uni with cooking skills will be invaluable and will give him something hands on to do.

looseddaughter · 03/01/2021 18:15

I do get what you're saying @Sostenueto, but it's not always as simple as that. If a child expresses an interest in something, or, as has been the case with me, asks to do something/join something, it's not pushy to allow it. And if they seem to develop a pattern of dropping things at the first sign of difficulty, or when they get bored, I'm not sure that it's a bad thing or pushy to try and address that. There's obviously a balance to be struck and I'm sure I've not always got it right, but I'm equally sure it's not as simple as 'let them be'.

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Xerochrysum · 03/01/2021 19:22

mathanxiety
"There's a misplaced belief here that hours spent gaming are hours wasted."

Totally agree. Being a gamer has done so much good for my dc. Interest in music/mythology/art/vocabulary/language/computing/programming/what else, I can't think.

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 20:02

[quote mathanxiety]There's a misplaced belief here that hours spent gaming are hours wasted.

I personally know two students who have been granted very helpful scholarships to American universities for eSports.

www.nbcnews.com/tech/video-games/high-school-gamers-are-scoring-college-scholarships-can-esports-make-n1056671[/quote]
Lulz, who are you to say that someone else’s belief is misplaced? All you can say is you disagree.

That some kid got an esport scholarship does not change my view.

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 20:18

@Xerochrysum

mathanxiety "There's a misplaced belief here that hours spent gaming are hours wasted."

Totally agree. Being a gamer has done so much good for my dc. Interest in music/mythology/art/vocabulary/language/computing/programming/what else, I can't think.

Less productive though than spending time on those subjects themselves.

Some kids might take an interest in music via gaming. Others may spend those gaming hours learning an instrument or another language.

mathanxiety · 03/01/2021 20:33

Lulz, who are you to say that someone else’s belief is misplaced? All you can say is you disagree.

No, it's been stated as a categorical fact that gaming time is wasted time. It is not wasted time, and can in fact lead to opportunities many here are clearly not aware of.

mathanxiety · 03/01/2021 20:33

Less productive though than spending time on those subjects themselves.

What is your definition of 'productive'?

And how can it be measured?

Itstheprinciple · 03/01/2021 20:47

I think it's very hard to strike the balance between encouraging them to persevere with things when they get hard, which is an important skill, and being 'pushy' and it's not one that I've always got right.

Xerochrysum · 03/01/2021 20:54

"Less productive though than spending time on those subjects themselves."

I doubt that. True interest become passion. My dc started to learn musical instrument only because he wanted to play the songs from the games. Now spend 2 hours every day practicing.

tempnamechange98765 · 03/01/2021 21:07

Ah your poor DS. I think I remember having similar rants as a child, I didn't stick at things either.

As an adult I suppose my hobbies are still limited, although I like "keeping fit", was into running to the point I did a half marathon in a good time and have recently got back into running thanks to covid.

It doesn't matter now, but as a kid, especially in covid, I think you're right, he would benefit.

Lots of good advice on here.

dottypees · 03/01/2021 21:10

If you go walking have you done geocaching?

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 21:39

@mathanxiety

Lulz, who are you to say that someone else’s belief is misplaced? All you can say is you disagree.

No, it's been stated as a categorical fact that gaming time is wasted time. It is not wasted time, and can in fact lead to opportunities many here are clearly not aware of.

It was stated as my categorical opinion. This is an opinion forum.