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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

OP posts:
ancientgran · 03/01/2021 11:04

Just realised you mentioned a book, maybe a slightly smaller topic for his first book would be better.

Nannewnannew · 03/01/2021 11:06

I agree about reading LOTR in French is utterly ridiculous, the question is, did the boy really read it, and if he did, it’s so much easier to read French than try and understand fast talking French on tv programmes?
OP, you’ve had some really good suggestions ( and some not so good) and ideas from posters, I don’t think that I can add anything useful except to say that you sound a lovely caring Mum and I hope your son finds his niche in life. Bless him, 13 is an awful age p, particularly at the moment.

tttigress · 03/01/2021 11:11

Maybe he needs to select one or two hobbies? Because you will never get better if you are spreading yourself too thin.

mumontherun14 · 03/01/2021 11:13

It definitely is a very challenging age. Their hormones are developing & their emotions are all over the place & they haven’t learned to control them. I agree with soothing him then maybe talking about it at later date when he is calmer. Xxx

malificent7 · 03/01/2021 11:14

He sounds lovely op....and normal.
Dd used to love singing and dance...now at secondary her hobbies are screens, fashion and you tubers.

Ihatefish · 03/01/2021 11:15

Oh and your DS’s age I was really into the assassination of JFK. I got books out of the library, borrowed videos and wrote up a whole project A4 file on the subject -think I learned more doing that than any history lesson. Unfortunately, most schools aren’t set up to satisfy the desires of those who have a deep in built need to learn. Is there something like that he could focus his energies on. At that age you want something exciting not what day great aunt maud married the milk man (until you dig up the fact you straight laced gran was 8 months up the duff when she got married 😂. - quite tge eye opener when it happened in the 1920s)

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 11:17

LOTR boy may simply be bilingual. Or just very committed.

Listening to fast French on TV programmes (or indeed listening to French people talk in rl) is a very important part of learning a language.
Languages are not well taught in this country and there is little understanding of what is in involved - particularly the amount of audio hours you need to put in.

Watching a new language on TV - at first it sounds like gobbledegook, then you begin to be able to pick out key words and phrases and learn some new phrases. Importantly you get the accent in your head.

BlueSuffragette · 03/01/2021 11:25

Would he be interested in using some if his interest in music to learn to play the guitar and write his own songs. It would give him an outlet for his emotions, even if he doesn't perform them for others to hear. If he can read music he can teach himself to play. Get a cheap acoustic guitar and there are videos on how to play on youtube. DS sounds like a normal teen. Good luck x

SantasAnus · 03/01/2021 11:29

Hi OP, I am so glad I have seen this thread.

I had exactly the same with my 12 yo dd last night.

I don't know what the answer is. But just good to know I'm not alone and loads of kids are feeling like this.

I'm going to work on her self-esteem and have ordered a book which we will work through together.

Tha is for posting and all the ideas on this thread. It has been very helpful.

This is what I love Mumsnet for.

reefedsail · 03/01/2021 11:31

@MrsMiaWallis It won't bother me if my DS gives up his sport, and I do not expect him to make senior national squads or go to the Olympics, or anything like that. I hope he will be left with a hobby he can go back to if he wants to for social purposes and a way to connect with other people- for example if he relocates for work and needs to build a new social circle.

I gave up the sport I did at a high level in my late teens. However, what it did leave me with was resilience to failure, an understanding of hard work and what it takes to 'achieve' if that is what you do want to do. I also know I could go back to it in a coaching capacity if I ever wanted to and I could meet people that way.

reefedsail · 03/01/2021 11:35

and @daisypond I absolutely wasn't giving advice- I thought I had laboured that point. Just explaining what is probably going on behind the children that are '10 steps ahead' to use the words of OP's DS.

Absinth13 · 03/01/2021 11:36

What about trying a variety of new things? Learning how to cook, drawing, writing short stories, redecorating his bedroom together? I know you dont want him having lots of screen time but you can get video games that are purely strategic, like civilisation, which involves no gun fights or anything, but is based on building a civilisation. Pr pottery? Or wood work?

NowellSingWe · 03/01/2021 11:37

@TaraR2020

P.s. chess.com
Actually, most of the English youth matches have moved onto Li Chess now, it's just a slightly more flexible platform. You can play other people or play against computer/train, it's excellent, and free.
Beachybeach · 03/01/2021 11:43

I’m not sure if DofE is running at the moment (I guess most ‘skills’ are put on hold). Could you get your son into volunteering? Or when things get up and going again what about cadets? It usually runs at least twice a week, really cheap and will hopefully get him to gain some confidence.

Could you get him a free trial for ancestry for him to research the family? Relatable history and it is fairly productive.

Beachybeach · 03/01/2021 11:44

Do you have a family member who works in a trade? Get him doing some basic labouring and learning a new skill long side? He might even get some pocket money as well?

Jakey056 · 03/01/2021 11:46

The best thing we ever bought was a table tennis table and set. It has been used daily.
Our 13 year old plays every day against us. Sometimes a game but often two or three games in a row. Brilliant.
The table folds and wheels away if space is an issue.
Also online chess is good and cards. I hear where you are at though. They are atarting to be hormonal so emotion comes fast.

Hope this helps.

mumontherun14 · 03/01/2021 11:54

I was just thinking there again about the cricket. Would he be able to get some 1 to 1 coaching? Is there someone you know through the team who would help him out? Sometimes that can do wonders for their confidence & help them work through the things they find tricky xxx

MollyButton · 03/01/2021 12:11

D of E is still running and allowing people to gain "certificates " in certain areas eg Volunteering whilst the present situation is preventing the whole expedition etc. There are some great opportunities for online volunteering. Some might even spark the OPs son's interest

WinniePig · 03/01/2021 12:17

No such thing as talent. There is such a thing as hard work. I remember thinking it was too late to learn to play the guitar when I was 17 so gave up quite quickly. Have since learnt that Slash didn’t pick up the guitar until he was 17 and Chris Rea was in his late 20s. The problem with bright and able kids is that they never learn the lesson of hard work, determination etc. They think that if something does not come naturally or without effort then it is not meant to be. As a former “bright” child who walked effortlessly into a legal career, I can tell you that I have been totally eclipsed in many areas of my life by people who perhaps did less well at school but who learnt the lesson of hard work, resilience, not giving up and self motivation. Your son is so young; he should be trying (and potentially failing) at as many things as possible. He also needs to concentrate on his own journey and not compare himself to other people.

It sounds like he has a real downer on himself. Maybe he’s just tired and missing routine. It’s easy to spiral. I think you just need to chivvy him along (which it sounds like you are doing). Also re the French drama (Spiral? Absolutely excellent - really enjoyed last night’s episodes), I could barely make out any of the words and I have an A-level in French and worked in Brussels. That level of comprehension only comes from living abroad or totally immersing yourself in the language by studying everyday. Again, hard work and effort is required. I read an article about Skin (from Skink Anansie) who is now a judge on Italian Xfactor (or something like that). She didn’t speak Italian prior to the show but “learnt it” so she could take part. Can you imagine the hard work / effort / can do attitude she must have had to do that??? Incredible. You have to work so so so hard to achieved good things and make the most of opportunities. Most people don’t bother.

PurpleMustang · 03/01/2021 12:26

As an idea, you mentioned he liked cycling. With the weather and lockdown what about a spin bike for home. My son does do a high level sport and is missing training and friends but he is doing circuits and spin bike (uses Swift) to help keep some of his fitness up for when he can get back. He has his phone connected to Swift and a tablet running a TV series he is watching, helps to pass the time

HerselfIndoors · 03/01/2021 12:29

I don't think it's true that talent doesn't exist. Musical ability is there or it isn't and is party genetic - you can practise and improve but some people will never have an "ear". Sporting ability takes hard work but I could work all my life and still be the crappest athlete ever. And finding things you naturally take to and love is amazing, so I do think trying things out is good.

Fallox · 03/01/2021 12:32

I would encourage something that isnt "skill based"
I was that kid, not good enough at any one thing to name it a hobby or go to a club.

Guiding and scouting was amazing for me. Check out what each unit provides. Mine were very varied, modern and active. It meant I got to try lots of things with other people who were also beginners.

I also ended up gaining lots of volunteer work and d of e meant you got certificates (and again is based on a range of activities not just one)

Aj1400 · 03/01/2021 12:35

I'd say that not being good (or not percieving yourself as good) at something is a byproduct of spending time enjoying something, rather than only doing stuff you're good at. (Otherwise not many of us would do much at all imho).

There's so many stories of 'overnight success' - but you often don't see the graft - nor the failure attempts, or those who jsut do it cause they like it.

I do a lot of swimming, and growing up I was never great (was good, but not picked for galas, just enjoyed training.

now, nearing 30, I'm the only one from my peer age group that still swim.
When others were swimming to win, I swam to enjoy it. And, the enjoyment, rather than the winning, has sustained my interest. Others stopped when they stopped winning - ie never got to national level. As I was nowhere near that, I just did it cause I liked it.
I'm grateful that I found something I liked, rather than was 'the best' at, and now- ironically, cause I kept going, I'm now a record holder for a few things.

If he likes art or puzzles, why not get him some puzzle books (I really enjoy spy-like puzzle books with different crptic stuff.
Or art stuff. Maybe photography - follow some 'picture a day' themes to start him off and then he can grow into it, using the computer to edit the pics into cool things?
Or, try out some family board games- if he likes History and French check out Carcassonne, or History of the World, Five Tribes, etc for some fun things to do together that you get better at when you play.

BillMasheen · 03/01/2021 12:40

@reefedsail. That post resonated with me. I thought it made an excellent point about how comparing yourself with the top performers is like comparing apples and oranges.

Mintjulia · 03/01/2021 12:43

Following on from @purplemustang and cycling, you could get your ds a little bike computer. They cost about £15 but allow you to see top speed, miles cycled etc. Ds loved it because he was competing against himself and not comparing himself with others.
Every bike ride was an achievement if we cycled 200 yards further or found a hill where he could go a tiny bit faster. Great for boosting confidence, nice from a tech point of view and encouraged him to get out more.

It has been very good value.